Manadhil oru paattu - Song of the moment - Vol 1

crimson king wrote:With Yuvan, I am inclined to believe it is not puthrapasam

Using Yuvan for anjali songs was puthrapAsam only
As was Bhava for anjali songs...but then, they were little kids then

OTOH, using Yuvan for NEPV was at the insistence of Gautam (who probably wanted that as a marketing cover-up, that one youththu MD is also involved in the project). Since sAyndhu sAyndhu was a hit in TN, rAsA (and even Rahman) continue to use him as a singer I think...

Yeah, not getting into kozhandai songs.  Whole gang sang Anjali songs.  And exactly, even ARR is using the youthu factor so it's a powerful one now.  May God help the singers.

Bhava and Yuvan - not much evidence really

actually Raaja never misses a chance to take a dig @ Yuvan..  he even did a Yuvan version of 'Chinna Kannan Azhaikiraan' in a
RajTv concert which sounded so much like Rev. Jamesu version which came much later.

on AR/Yuvan , AR punted on Yuvan over KR for commercial success even before Yuvan made his debut as MD so there  

That, and that Maanguyile Yuvan version.

I am straightaway asking saalini songs that bhava sang to be "appropriate choice" that that face that that voice only. pinna Sjanakiya andha moonjikku paadavaikka mudiyin?

same for easwari rao, dhevaya ni etc.,..
However I am going to ask at another swab at the data - between 97 to 2005 which seems to have been prime bhava time - how many songs were actually done by Raasa?
based on that % we can say that he was making a bad choice rather intentionally..

In Kadhalukku Mariyadhai, Sujatha sang on Oru Pattampoochi so it's not hard and fast in the first place, nor for Devyani.  But I am arguing that it's a bad choice based on Bhava's lack of technique.  I am not matching singers to voices.  There are other singers out there if regulars like SJ or Swarnalatha (up to late 90s at least) would not work out for those actresses.  But using a bad singer just for the sake of voice does not solve the issue. Voice alone is not enough to sing.

vidungappA.. indha bhava vishayathai.. we are all IR music fans.. why argue like this between ourselves..
The man has done so many enjoyable, creative stuff why focus on a few aberrations ..
I used to get bothered by sound engineering, lyrics, singers like bhava or mano etc etc ..
But of late, I dont know why these things dont bother me : -) I would be just happy with just 10 songs from his whole repertoire !!!!

kiru, I agree. I never talk about bhava songs left to myself, there are many other songs to focus on. I only responded because the topic came up.

Meetadha oru veenai - Intoxicating Reeti Gowla. Raja seems to have explored RG differently in each of the songs he has tuned in it- Chinna kannan was sort of like a BMK-flute duet, Thalayai guniyum thaamaraye has the "unusual structure" of two different charanams, again infused with a strong classicism, a mathematical precision in the manner the second charanam bridges to the anupallavi following a succession of fast, tension-filled phrases; and delightful, scrupulously written flute and veena portions in the interludes. Meetadha oru veenai is a post modern take with cool synth beats and chords and composed in the challenging 5/8 time signature, probably the first such experiment with the raagam (I mean the whole synth+chords+ Khanda chaapu combo) ? Now I am curious if this could have been an inspiration for ARR's famous hip RG that swept the charts the following year, though I suspect he might not be so forthcoming were the question to be posed.  

fring151 wrote:Meetadha oru veenai - Intoxicating Reeti Gowla.

Lovely song Fring But my pick from the film is this song:



Each line's music in this song amazes me Especially the turns in the charanam. Fabulously constructed melody.

Drunkenmunk wrote:

fring151 wrote:Meetadha oru veenai - Intoxicating Reeti Gowla.

Lovely song Fring :)But my pick from the film is this song:



Each line's music in this song amazes me :)Especially the turns in the charanam. Fabulously constructed melody.

Right .. good one.. when it came out we discussed and identified 'kannadippaaL' part as a bug :-(

Meethada Oru Veenai strongly 'evokes' some silly HJ/GVP hit duet.  Not able to place which one.  Of course, the former is incomparably brilliant next to that boring song whose name I forget (or otherwise, for that matter!), but the melody brought back 'memories'.

crimson king wrote:Meethada Oru Veenai strongly 'evokes' some silly HJ/GVP hit duet.  Not able to place which one.  Of course, the former is incomparably brilliant next to that boring song whose name I forget (or otherwise, for that matter!), but the melody brought back 'memories'.

Likely it is GVP and his Veyyil which had a Reeti Gowlai in Kadhal Neruppin Nadanam, with rap-esque stuff and some incredibly pretentious violins imitating the IR-sound to fill in the interludes  I understand Reeti Gowlai is such a ragam (vakra ragam where the swaras are in zig zag pattern and that pattern is what gives life to the melody and that is invariably repetitive) where you cannot get a lot of different tunes and at some point, you remind of 'one very popular, original' song, but this was the pits. Unless a composer has creativity, he will resist sojourning in such ragas because he can easily slip and remind the listener of an older song.

Yes, that one.  But there's another one I remember, again with similar annoying faux-Carnatic singing, and a similar beat.  It may not even be the same raagam but some phrases were similar.  That's one of ARR's legacies I really dislike. I don't like to hear overly Carnatic based singing unless the music itself is that much Carnatic based.  But he encouraged people like Unni to give Carnatic flavour to anything and everything.

Got it, Kangal Irandal, Subramaniapuram.  But it's Lord Labaku James  , not GVP or HJ.  Ella ore madhiri dhan irukku ketta.    Also Riti Gowlai, it seems.

crimson king wrote:Got it, Kangal Irandal, Subramaniapuram.  But it's Lord Labaku James  , not GVP or HJ.  Ella ore madhiri dhan irukku ketta.    Also Riti Gowlai, it seems.

  owes its existence to Chinna Kannan Azhaikkiraan more than Meetaadha Oru Veenai. Reeti Gowlai'la ellAm Chinna Kannan mAri dhAn irukkum in TFM unless it is IR doing a Reeti Gowlai (ARR anyway has only 1 Reeti Gowlai to my knowledge and that has more of Meetaadha than Chinna Kannan but that can be put down to the quirky quality of the raga. Hearing his next Kaaviya Thalaivan has a Reeti Gowlai and a Bilahari among two 10 minute songs   ). Chinna Kannan btw was IFM's first Reeti Gowlai. Also, don't see much faux-Carnatic in the singing as much as the flute in the interlude, which also owes its roots to Chinna Kannan. idhula most hilarious was James feeling hurt on losing that year's state awards to IR for Ajantha. Alright, Ajantha may not be the best work that year, but his locus standi to claim the award based on this song which is based on an IR song is  worthy. But otherwise, imho, a pretty decent song, much better than the GVP Reet Gowlai.

drunkenmunk wrote:Likely it is GVP and his Veyyil which had a Reeti Gowlai in Kadhal Neruppin Nadanam

If THAT is Reeti Gowlai, then "June ponal july kaatre" is Shankarabharanam.

Kangal irandal is enjoyable enough, but lacks a signature. Also most of these people, James bhai, GVP thambi  etc suck at writing music for specific instruments (which is a non-trivial task). That is why I mentioned the flute, veena and violin portions in IR's Reeti Gowlais. GVP's wannabe Rajaesque strings experiments are horrendous and James ends up imitating Chinna Kannan flute interludes. No originality fellows. Idhukku award onnu thaan kuraichal.

DM:  Yeah, not THAT faux Carnatic as I remembered.  It's mainly the arrangements that annoy the hell out of me in these songs, so formulaic, so predictable.  1st oru nimisham kettal podhum, I know what the rest of it is going to be like.  No innovation, no creativity.  Idhula I didn't know he felt unhappy at not getting award.  

crimson king wrote: Idhula I didn't know he felt unhappy at not getting award.  

vasanthanjames.blogspot.in/2011/05/it-hurts.html  

Scar-a?  Poi Lion King la act pannu-pa.     I don't know how a film's official release or radio or TV play are supposed to be considerations for a STATE GOVT award.  It's not a popularity contest like Filmfare, so I don't know why it's so 'ironic'.  The way he's ranting, one would think Sindhu Bhairavi pt 2 was composed and went unheralded.

Fantastic ludes. Ppaah the guitars.

I was watching some portions of this movie 'Thambikku Oru Thalattu' the other day on TV. not so glamarous -early 90's - silk playing the lead role of an elder sister.. 

This song happens to be in this dud of a movie !! Ipdi oru padathula ipdi oru paatta ? Yen sir, ungga kadamai unarvukku ore alave illayaa ?   

A soothingly yearning female chorus starts off, followed by a lovely veena bits...with sweet flute playing in the ludes ..and composed sweet singing from Jayachandran & Swarnalatha. 

What a package! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o690sPs-OI

Nerd wrote:Fantastic ludes. Ppaah the guitars.

Wow. Amazing melody too, so many twists.  Never heard it before, thanks for posting it.