Manadhil oru paattu - Song of the moment - Vol 1

Stuck with this ever since sakalakalavallavar shared this on twitter (@tekvijay). Lovely Raaja voice of the Onakkena Thaane Innerama times. Just so very rustic and magical:



Soundcloud version with better audio: https://soundcloud.com/sridharravi/voice-of-ilayaraja-old-song

Hoping raja4ever releases hires version of this.

Addicted to Metti oli kaatrodu lately. Has to be one of the very best in Raja's voice. I doubt if anyone else could ave brought the same feel to this. Raagam, anyone?

crimson king wrote:Oh but of course you have an ego. You just demonstrated it by giving in to your need to have the last word in the argument. Yesterday I was about to write a long post using quotes from your own posts to show how you diverted the whole discussion but I respected the request I had received and decided to spare the thread of our verbal sparring. I politely conveyed the same to you without using the pms to resume the argument. It is unfortunate that you are unable to reciprocate. I am very sorry that I participated in this discussion and do not intend to discuss anything related to IR in future with you as I find it an extremely painful exercise.

Instead of retiring from debate,frankly it makes no sense to me as to why should one stop the debate for decorum. Arent we all tired of the fake decorum that drone out our regular life?
@crimson, lets cede to plum's request of purely discussing facts.If need be lets play 'dint hear that' when some1 gets crafty with some barbs, (sure we are grownups and can take some chin music and serve some too). 
Lets pile together a grand collection of bhava songs under raaja.
Lets eliminate the good ones(kothumbees,oliyiles,yaathes).
Lets put together the sandpaper stuff from those and compute the statistical mean and compare it with the rest.
Apart from statistics lets also ponder why raaja dint take the extra pain of sound engineering the rough edges in bhava's voice and also the context of the song itself. Given the man is an accepted genius,lets be atleast thorough when we shrug him off as a a narcissist,nepotist of the highest degree,etc., 
Fair game?

jaiganesh wrote:
Lets pile together a grand collection of bhava songs under raaja.

Anbu sir's spreadsheet irukka bayamEn?

Give me another 24 hours and I'll post a list containing EVERY SONG here (IR music Bhava singing)

Ungala nambiththaan naan apdi oru statement e adichu vitten..
Nandri hai app ji..

Also count number of songs ARR gave to sagul hameed, anupama, caroline types...if we actually count songs where ARR's singers were terrible, it will be a much bigger %. Only smart thing is he keeps changing the mediocre singer who sings his songs.

jaiganesh wrote:

Instead of retiring from debate,frankly it makes no sense to me as to why should one stop the debate for decorum. Arent we all tired of the fake decorum that drone out our regular life?
@crimson, lets cede to plum's request of purely discussing facts.If need be lets play 'dint hear that' when some1 gets crafty with some barbs, (sure we are grownups and can take some chin music and serve some too). 
Lets pile together a grand collection of bhava songs under raaja.
Lets eliminate the good ones(kothumbees,oliyiles,yaathes).
Lets put together the sandpaper stuff from those and compute the statistical mean and compare it with the rest.
Apart from statistics lets also ponder why raaja dint take the extra pain of sound engineering the rough edges in bhava's voice and also the context of the song itself. Given the man is an accepted genius,lets be atleast thorough when we shrug him off as a a narcissist,nepotist of the highest degree,etc., 
Fair game?

First off, I never used those words so I need to know that you really understood what I said in the first place before this discussion can resume.  I also expressly said to the effect that it would be short sighted of people to dismiss his or any other music director's work only because they may have favoured one or the other singer excessively.   

So what did I say? Only that given that (a) Bhava is IR's daughter and (b) Bhava is a terrible singer, possibly if not definitely the worst hired by IR, it is reasonable that people would put two and two together and deduce nepotism from it, and it does not require that they are driven by some vengeful agenda to say so. I am not even ruling out the possibility that it may not be nepotism at all because I have no way of knowing that, nor does anybody else.  We would have to look into his mind to know for sure and that's impossible.  

And I do find the suggestion reasonable.  If an employer gave his incompetent son the top job in the company without making him learn the ropes first, 9 out of 10 people would call it nepotism, even though said employer has likely made some bad hiring decisions before and allowed other incompetent staff to subsist on his payroll.  Because the existence of blood relations does colour perceptions and it is not necessarily wrong that it does.  Ergo, the fact that there may have been other terrible singers on IR recordings does not really have a bearing on how Bhava is perceived.  In any case, as I said, I find her the worst singer on IR recordings.  Not only unforgivably lacking in sruthi but not really carved out for a niche. It's a close run thing with Yuvan, but I can't think of anyone else, not even Jency, who plumbed these depths.  If she was a great singer, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

crimson king wrote:

jaiganesh wrote:

Instead of retiring from debate,frankly it makes no sense to me as to why should one stop the debate for decorum. Arent we all tired of the fake decorum that drone out our regular life?
@crimson, lets cede to plum's request of purely discussing facts.If need be lets play 'dint hear that' when some1 gets crafty with some barbs, (sure we are grownups and can take some chin music and serve some too). 
Lets pile together a grand collection of bhava songs under raaja.
Lets eliminate the good ones(kothumbees,oliyiles,yaathes).
Lets put together the sandpaper stuff from those and compute the statistical mean and compare it with the rest.
Apart from statistics lets also ponder why raaja dint take the extra pain of sound engineering the rough edges in bhava's voice and also the context of the song itself. Given the man is an accepted genius,lets be atleast thorough when we shrug him off as a a narcissist,nepotist of the highest degree,etc., 
Fair game?

First off, I never used those words so I need to know that you really understood what I said in the first place before this discussion can resume.  I also expressly said to the effect that it would be short sighted of people to dismiss his or any other music director's work only because they may have favoured one or the other singer excessively.   

So what did I say? Only that given that (a) Bhava is IR's daughter and (b) Bhava is a terrible singer, possibly if not definitely the worst hired by IR, it is reasonable that people would put two and two together and deduce nepotism from it, and it does not require that they are driven by some vengeful agenda to say so. I am not even ruling out the possibility that it may not be nepotism at all because I have no way of knowing that, nor does anybody else.  We would have to look into his mind to know for sure and that's impossible.  

And I do find the suggestion reasonable.  If an employer gave his incompetent son the top job in the company without making him learn the ropes first, 9 out of 10 people would call it nepotism, even though said employer has likely made some bad hiring decisions before and allowed other incompetent staff to subsist on his payroll.  Because the existence of blood relations does colour perceptions and it is not necessarily wrong that it does.  Ergo, the fact that there may have been other terrible singers on IR recordings does not really have a bearing on how Bhava is perceived.  In any case, as I said, I find her the worst singer on IR recordings.  Not only unforgivably lacking in sruthi but not really carved out for a niche. It's a close run thing with Yuvan, but I can't think of anyone else, not even Jency, who plumbed these depths.  If she was a great singer, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

crimson - i am not saying that you said those exact words, but when reading it in total - any layperson would easily come to that conclusion.
And to stand up for bhava - there is a clear difference between a terrible singer and a terrible voice. She might be a mediocre singer with a voice that might be unique enough to stick to a certain character and certain situation. Hell I picturise Thevaya nee's face everytime i hear bhava's voice and vice versa. It needs to be logically driven to a conclusion - and might end up with neither plum, nor you agreeing to anything. 
Why a composer would call a voice ordinary and another as 'unique' bears an analysis and I am imploring to drive to find out that. Thassaal. So I dont see you as a person who claims that IR is nepotist or narcissist, and as a fan of IR 'I would say so what if he is' and lets assume that he is and see if numbers add up statistically. No one will lose a thing..

Out of the huge database of ~6500 songs, 83 had Bavadharini listed as a singer (in many cases, one of the many...)

Starting with non-Thamizh stuff, which are very few :

2009	hindi	paa	hulke se bOlE	Bavadharini / Chorus
2007	Kannada	Ajantha	yaaru hogada jaaga	Vijay Yesudas / Bavadharani
2006	Malayalam	Pachcha Kuthira	butterfly	Karthik Raja / Bavadharani
2008	Malayalam	SMS	shuba niyogam	Bavadharani / Chorus
2007	Telugu	Anumanaspadam	rela rela	Tippu / Bavadharani
2008	Telugu	Mallepuvvu	suvvi suvvi	Bavadharani
2012	Telugu	Gundello Godari	nanu neetho	Bavadharani

Thamizh, 80's :

1988	Thamizh	En Bommukutti Ammavukku	kuyilE kuyilE kuyilakka [1]	K.J.Yesudas / K.S.Chithra / Bavadharani
1988	Thamizh	En Bommukutti Ammavukku	kuyilE kuyilE kuyilakka [2]	K.S.Chithra / Bavadharani
1989	Thamizh	Thendral Sudum	dhoori dhoori dhumakka dhoori [Happy]	S.Janaki / Bavadharani / Yuvan

Thamizh, 1990-1996:

1990	Thamizh	Anjali	pAttukku pAttu [something I want]	Yuvan / Bavadharani / Hari / Prabhu / Prem / Vaishnavi / Pavithra / Sathya / Chorus
1990	Thamizh	Anjali	mottai mAdi mottai mAdi	Yuvan / Bavadharani / Hari / Prabhu / Prem / Vaishnavi / Pavithra / Sathya / Chorus
1990	Thamizh	Anjali	vAnam namakku veethi	Yuvan / Bavadharani / Hari / Prabhu / Prem / Vaishnavi / Pavithra / Sathya / Chorus
1990	Thamizh	Anjali	anjali anjali	Yuvan / Bavadharani / Hari / Prabhu / Prem / Vaishnavi / Pavithra / Sathya / Chorus
1992	Thamizh	Singaravelan	puthuchEri kachchEri [Happy]	S.P.Balasubramaniam / Yuvan / Bavadharani / Hari / Sathya
1993	Thamizh	Sethupathi I.P.S	anAthai yendRu yemmai AkkidAthE	Bavadharani / Padma Sesastry School Students
1995	Thamizh	Chandraleka	anal thanil vAdidum poovai poovai	Bavadharani
1995	Thamizh	Raasaiya	masthAnA masthAnA	Arunmozhi / Bavadharani / S.N.Surendar
1996	Thamizh	Irattai Roja	unnai vida mAttEn kAdhal varam kEttEn	S.P.Balasubramaniam / Bavadharani
1996	Thamizh	Kattapanjayathu	oru chinna maNi kuyilu sindhu padikuthadi	Jolly Abraham / Bavadharani
1996	Thamizh	Raman Abdullah	yen veettu jannal yetti yEn pArkiRAi	Arunmozhi / Bavadharani / Chorus

Thamizh 1997-1999

1997	Thamizh	Chinna Ramasamy Periya Ramasamy	kadalaiyE kadalaiyE maNilA kadalaiyE	Mano / Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Kaadhal Rojavae	sirithAlE chinna minmini	Bavadharani / Chorus
1997	Thamizh	Kaadhalukku Mariyathai	ithu sangeetha thirunALO [Title Song]	Bavadharani / Chorus
1997	Thamizh	Kaadhalukku Mariyathai	ennai thAlAtta varuvALO [2]	Hariharan / Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Kaadhalukku Mariyathai	Oh baby baby [vizhiyil vizhi moodi]	Vijay / Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Kadavul	Athisivan thOLirukkum nAgamaNi nAthanE	Bavadharani / Chorus
1997	Thamizh	Kangalin Vaarthaigal	nenjathin geetham athu kAdhalA	Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Kangalin Vaarthaigal	intha kAdhal seiyum vElai	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani / Chorus
1997	Thamizh	Karuvelam Pookkal	pallAkku vanthirukku rANi maharANikku	Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Kizhakkum Mertkum	akkA nee sirichA pOthum	Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Kizhakkum Mertkum	poonGkARRE nee yennai thodalAmA	Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Naan Oru Indian [Thesiya Paravai]	priya priya [un kAdhalan poo vizhiyilE]	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Poonjcholai	gAna kuyilE kaNNuRakkam pOnathadi [1]	S.P.Balasubramaniam / Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Poonjcholai	gAna kuyilE kaNNuRakkam pOnathadi [2]	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani
1997	Thamizh	Poonjcholai	un pErai kEttAlE yethuvum thONAthu	Yugendran / Bavadharani / Chorus
1997	Thamizh	Punniyavathi	kARRE kARRE yen mAman manasukkuLLE pOviyA	Bavadharani / Chorus
1998	Thamizh	Annan	kaNmaNikku vAzhthu sollum [1] [Title Song]	Bavadharani
1998	Thamizh	Kaadhal Kavithai	alai meethu viLaiyAdum iLam thendRalE	bavadharani
1998	Thamizh	Kannathal	amman pugazh pAda yenakku [2]	Bavadharani / Chorus
1998	Thamizh	Manam Virumbuthae Unnai	iLavEniRkAla panjami	Hariharan / Bavadharani
1998	Thamizh	Ponnuveettukaaran	iLaiya nilavE iLaiya nilavE	Srinivas / Bavadharani
1998	Thamizh	Poonthottam	new year indru	Malaysia Vasudevan / Mano / Yuvan / Karthik Raja / Bavadharani / Venkat Prabhu / Prem G / Kovai Sarala
1998	Thamizh	Senthooram	Alamaram mElamarum pachchai pasungkiLiyE	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani
1998	Thamizh	Thodarum	oru thuLir oNNu [santhAna lakshmi]	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani / Chorus
1999	Thamizh	Housefull	unnai thEdi thEdi [Bit]	Bavadharani
1999	Thamizh	Kaakkai Siraginilae	gayathri kEtkum oru mAyathirai vilagum	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani
1999	Thamizh	Kummi Paattu	chinna manasu manasu	Bavadharani / Chorus
1999	Thamizh	Raajasthan	sorgathil nikkA nikkA	Shankar Mahadevan / Arunmozhi / Manjula / Bavadharani / Chorus
1999	Thamizh	Raajasthan	jin jil lArA rANi yengE pORA	Mano / Swarnalatha / Bavadharani / Chorus
1999	Thamizh	Thirunelveli	Olai kudisaiyile nee irunthAlum [Female]	Bavadharani
1999	Thamizh	Time	muththu nilavE thiththikindRathE	Karthik Raja / Bavadharani
1999	Thamizh	Time	thavikiREn thavikiREn unathu kanavAlE	Hariharan / Bavadharani

Thamizh, 2000 and later:

2000	Thamizh	Bharathy	mayil pOla poNNu oNNu	Bavadharani
2000	Thamizh	Friends	thendRal varum vazhiyai pookkaL aRiyAthA	Hariharan / Bavadharani
2000	Thamizh	Ilaiyavan	nilavin amuthu uruga ozhuga malar kudai viriyuthE	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani
2000	Thamizh	Kanna Unnai Thedugiraen	vanjikodi vanthu vanthu vaLaithAL yennai	Hariharan / Bavadharani
2000	Thamizh	Karisakaattu Poovae	mAmarathilai oonjal kattaNum mAmara kiLiyE	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani
2001	Thamizh	Aandan Adimai	yennenna pAdA paduthiRAn	Bavadharani / Harini
2001	Thamizh	Azhagi	oLiyilE therivathu dhEvathaiyA	Karthik / Bavadharani
2001	Thamizh	Azhagi	damakku damakku dam	Bavadharani / Chorus
2001	Thamizh	Kaadhal Jaathi	manasE yen manasE nee yenga pOga pArkiRAi	Unni Krishnan / Bavadharani
2001	Thamizh	Kutti	poo arumbuthu ponnarumbuthu	Bavadharani
2002	Thamizh	En Mana Vaanil	muththu muththu peNNukoru muththu mAlai	Karthik / Bavadharani / Chorus
2002	Thamizh	Ramana	vAnam athiravE [pada pada padavena]	Unni Krishanan / Sadana Sargam / Bavadharani / Chorus
2002	Thamizh	Solla Marantha Kathai	yEthO oNNu nenaichirunthEn	Karthik / Bavadharani
2003	Thamizh	Dhanush	veLLi paniyai aLLi aLLi theLithAL	Vijay Yesudas / Bavadharani
2003	Thamizh	Konji Pesalam	Konji pEsalAm kuyilgaLE [Title Song]	Bavadharani
2003	Thamizh	Pithamagan	kodi yERRi vaippOm	Bavadharani / Periya Karuppu Thevar / T.S.Ragavendar / Shanmugasundari / Chorus
2003	Thamizh	Pon Meghalai	AlAbanai seiyum mAlai pozhuthu	Sadana Sargam / Bavadharani
2004	Thamizh	Karagattakaari	kAttu kiLi kAttu kiLi	Karthik / Bavadharani
2005	Thamizh	Athu Oru Kanakaalam	kilithattu kilithattu azhagana vilaiyattu aada	Bavadharani / Jyothi
2005	Thamizh	Oru Naal Oru Kanavu	kaartil varum geethamae [1]	ilaiyaRaaja / Hariharan / Sadana Sargam / Shreya Ghoshal / Bavadharani
2005	Thamizh	Oru Naal Oru Kanavu	kaartil varum geethamae [2]	Shreya Ghoshal / Bavadharani
2005	Thamizh	Oru Naal Oru Kanavu	oru naal oru kanavu	Bavadharani / Chorus
2005	Thamizh	Twinkle Twinkle Little Star	magic journey jil jil kaartu	Asha Menon / Bavadharani / Manjari / Chorus
2005	Thamizh	Twinkle Twinkle Little Star	twinkle twinkle little star	Bavadharani / S.N.Surendar / Chandrahasan / Yathishwar
2008	Thamizh	Dhanam	kannanukku enna vendum	Bavadharani / Sriram Parthasarathy / Prasanna
2008	Thamizh	Uliyin Osai	kaalaththai vendra oruvanivan	Sriram Parthasarathy / Bavadharani
2009	Thamizh	Azhagar Malai	unnai enakku thanthatharu	Bavadharani / Reeta
2009	Thamizh	Kannukullae	paattu ketka surtuthu bhoomi	Tippu / Rahul Nambiar / Bavadharani / Prasanna / Velmurugan / Mukesh
2012	Thamizh	Maranthaen Mannithaen	alaiyOdu alai mOthi viLaiyadum kAvEri	Bavadharani
2012	Thamizh	Mayilu	yAthE yAthE [pAvi payal pArthE]	Sriram Parthasarathy / Bavadharani

mun jAmeen : The other language list may be incomplete

However, for Thamizh, this spreadsheet is by far the most comprehensive!

That's an intimidating list and barely a handful of song titles  ring a bell to me. I guess before we can embark on this rather thankless mission of scrutinizing "Bhava hits", we need to agree upon what it is that we are exactly looking to prove/disprove and define suitable metrics. Here's what I propose:
*1 Out of these 83 or so songs, pick 25-30 of the most recognizable songs. This could be contentious as people might pick songs which help bolster their own narrative   . So voting/nominations? Also, I am sure there are quite a few duds in there and in that case the singer doesn't matter. I hope we all can agree on this?
*2 Now the important assumption - Let us suppose that, by unique, Raja meant that her voice is well suited for untrained/adolescent (or just out of)/innocent characters. Others can add to this.

*3 In the 25 odd songs picked in *1  zoom in on the milieu, situation and character for whom the song is intended. Arrive at a number, x.
*4 Subtract x from 25 to get y, the number of songs which arguably can't be slotted in the categories defined in *2.
*5 In these y songs, point out technical slips and shortcomings. (Field day for some here   ) Let's say z out of y songs have major issues.
*6 Find out what percentage of the movies which featured these z songs were low/no budget duds.


Feel free to make changes to this...

crimson king wrote:So what did I say? Only that given that (a) Bhava is IR's daughter and (b) Bhava is a terrible singer, possibly if not definitely the worst hired by IR, it is reasonable that people would put two and two together and deduce nepotism from it, and it does not require that they are driven by some vengeful agenda to say so. I am not even ruling out the possibility that it may not be nepotism at all because I have no way of knowing that, nor does anybody else.  We would have to look into his mind to know for sure and that's impossible.  

Not arguing with that, but we should objectively be able to determine to what extent that perception is flawed, if. If we can zero in on the precise implication of IR's "unique" and find at the end of our exercise that there is some consistency, it gives grounds to question the nepotism  perception.

jaiganesh wrote:

crimson - i am not saying that you said those exact words, but when reading it in total - any layperson would easily come to that conclusion.
And to stand up for bhava - there is a clear difference between a terrible singer and a terrible voice. She might be a mediocre singer with a voice that might be unique enough to stick to a certain character and certain situation. Hell I picturise Thevaya nee's face everytime i hear bhava's voice and vice versa. It needs to be logically driven to a conclusion - and might end up with neither plum, nor you agreeing to anything. 
Why a composer would call a voice ordinary and another as 'unique' bears an analysis and I am imploring to drive to find out that. Thassaal. So I dont see you as a person who claims that IR is nepotist or narcissist, and as a fan of IR 'I would say so what if he is' and lets assume that he is and see if numbers add up statistically. No one will lose a thing..

Er, I have been lectured on this thread about how IR uses his words precisely and all and how therefore there is no scope to misconstrue his words.  So why should the interpretation of my words be extended either?  I did not call him a nepotist of the highest degree and not a narcissist of any degree at all.  Pl don't overstate the case (I said this to plum as well), it only serves to distract from the discussion.  

And as for Bhava, what is a terrible voice is a subjective thing at least.  When people say Arun Mozhi has a terrible voice, all they really mean is his voice is not suitable for PLAYBACK singing.  But he is quite alright technically.  Bhava is not at all ok technically.   Using her just because she has an unique voice would only serve to convey the impression that playback singing is only about voice and not technique.  And with that, we can throw standards out of the window.  Because what then stops fans of Himesh or Atif from claiming their voice is unique so why shouldn't they sing playback.  Whatever be the reasons for him doing so, nepotism or unique voice, I do not find his choice of Bhava convincing at any level.

fring:  Objectively, Bhava is a terrible singer. For me, the discussion ends right there.  A terrible singer should not get chances to sing playback, period.  When they made Amitabh Bachchan sing Mere Angane Mein also, it was a mistake.  You cannot talk about standards once you allow poor singers to render playback.  Today, any Tom, Dick and Harry acting in films comes forward to 'sing'.  These are the fruits of the seeds sown by the indiscretion of past music directors.  And as actor singers grow in popularity - easily enough given their 'name' - the space for proper singers will shrink even further.

Yeah, aakarsh and crimson say using Bhava is neptisim only, Discussion ends there. We are not willing to listen to anything further. prove whatever you want objectively.
How do you engage with a person with such an attitude?
I have bene open and offered an objective way - looks like people want to wallow in their prejudices and defend their right to misinterpret things as(we people are like that only).
If you are not open to a logical argument, then it is not at all worth engaging with you

anupama is a terrible singer. sagul ameed is a terrible singer. udit in tamil is a terrible singer who misses out on one of hte mos timportant attributes of singing. ergo, rahman lacks standards. no further discussion on this. I say so. Listen to me. Dont give me logical proof and all

What's wrong technically with mayil pola or nanu neetho? I asked this several pages back but no response. Now that I have trapped them into answering this, a oppku chappu explanation will come after room pottu thinking. that shows these people's capability to think

plum wrote:Yeah, aakarsh and crimson say using Bhava is neptisim only, Discussion ends there. We are not willing to listen to anything further. prove whatever you want objectively.
How do you engage with a person with such an attitude?
I have bene open and offered an objective way - looks like people want to wallow in their prejudices and defend their right to misinterpret things as(we people are like that only).
If you are not open to a logical argument, then it is not at all worth engaging with you

See, this is your problem. When it comes to my words, your exalted interpretational ability fails you. There is a huge difference between "it is nepotism only" and "nepotism cannot be ruled out". I am sure you know how to tell apart open ended and close ended statements so if you want to pretend you can't, I am not going to humour you. iirc bhava sang mayil pola in the 2005 concert and it was dreadful. And I have never accused ARR of holding himself up to any standards. I am only disappointed in IR's choice because I respect his work a lot more. ARR gives a joker like Naresh Iyer opportunities.

You jumped in defence of Aaakarsh who has been peddling this "surely this is nepotism only" angle for a long time. How do I react as if you are saying it is only a possibility?

Aakarsh has this "see this rowdy IR fans. I am not like them. I only like his music. these people are blind followers. i also dont like ir's egoism but these idiots defend that also, i am different, objective" etc attitude. Which is why he hobnobs with the likes of kabalakumar as though that man were a epitome of objectivity(a closet rss man with a poor sense of humour is what kabalam is )

Even here, the angle of "I like IR's music but I am objective enough to hate his nepotism" is an attractive stance that boosts one's self-esteem. Since you jumped in defence of such an attitude, I cannot take it as "it is a possibility no?".

Also, there is a difference between possibility and probablity. Possible within the realms of human behaviour but logically why doesn't IR praise yuvan's music or Bhava's singing skills as much as he praises Karthik Raja? That's where I claim it is not probable that neptoism is the reason. He thinks the voice is unique and uses it in situations where he thinks it is apt. On occasions it could be budget(1000 roovAkku oru pudava vechu vethala pakkku vechyu koduthA bhava vanga maattenA soll apovudhu) and project management, as app calls it.

The claim by Aakarsh - which you buttressed - is that "he claims the voice is unique so 100% proven that it is nepotism" as though he cannot have his own parameters for defining "unique".

Ok, that explains a lot. I did not know that that's how you took what akarsh said. Perhaps you are right, but I did not take it as so definite. Another thing is I find both here and mayyam, a lot of TFM page and twitter baggage overflowing into the discussions. But I don't know any of you from before this forum. So because I agreed with him doesn't mean I think exactly like him. Anyhow my "can't be ruled out" emphasis comes from my accountant background, I avoid definite statements. There's nothing more to it, please don't read too much into it.

Ok, I take that. Objectiveva ve pAppOmnu dhAN solREn. Lets look at the numbers.
Also, if people want to allege puthra paasam, the real example is IR calling KR "nAN paNNAdhaddha kooda paNNi irukkAn"
I dont know if that's true. (Enakku perumaiyA dhAn iruku)
Maybe IR really meant it but prima facie, theere is a case there for saying IR's puthra paasm for Karthik only is making him say that.
Bhava and Yuvan - not much evidence really

Well, "I don't think so" is an opinion, based on laying the thrust more on a certain set of facts but not all.  You are laying the emphasis on the fact that he has not praised her singing skills while I am laying the emphasis on the very fact that he gave her so many songs in the first place.  It's a "can't say" in my book.  With Yuvan, I am inclined to believe it is not puthrapasam, something that I have already mentioned.  I think there is a genuine youthu factor which is why he is forced to use him for the sake of mass appeal.  As to what do the youthu like so much about his singing is something only they can answer,    I choose to pass.