Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

a_e/kiru,
For me no suspicions. It is obvious when ARR says "sadist" composers of past who don't give in to the singer ('s limitations). IR's quest to excel being deliberately portrayed as "sadist". In ARR and "singer" Srinivas' case, both have semmaya vaangiruka (as in that Vadivelu's clip) when they were starters and young. They have been carrying that feeling of hurt all these 20+ years within their hearts, so much for being humble and calling another "sadist"/egoistic!

As your rightly said, IR "would not just go away" for the genius that he is. And so, with IR reaching greater heights over the years, on his terms - all alone, especially with NEPV last year and Megha now using BSO, their ego+jealousy showed off. I could give benefit of doubt for ARR's comment during KJY's felicitation, but these comments in his recent interview are very obvious. Imagine how they would feel if they now hear Onayum Aatukuttiyum (OA) scores  

I also feel the insult to Mozart (of Madras) pattam somewhat compelled ARR to use some orchestra music, moreso, as he was making conscious efforts to make it big in US/UK. Otherwise, his preference and strength remains the tech tools. I strongly feel they both know they have a lot to learn from IR, still!!..and they cannot (re)join IR now  That truth is rupturing them within and resulting in this vayatherichal.

I strongly feel OA was played and recorded in Chennai. OA is low-budget/small movie, and the tinge of NBW and Marubadiyum scores tell me it is our orchestra here. It may be possible the Oboe/Clarinet pieces alone were played by BSO, but I highly doubt that being the case.

DIG:
Kiru, I need to thank you for suggesting Grado SR60 headphones sometime during 2000/1 in the old forum to fellow dfers. I was only a reader then (and still am, for most part). I bought it then for about $70..did not go for hi-fi one, and have been listening to all music in SR60 till now, including OA   Thank you very much.
END DIG

S Janaki expressing her pride in singing the most difficult song in her career. Composed by the 'sadist' (as expressed by ARR) music director L Vaidyanathan. M S Gopalakrishnan (violinst) almost ruled out that this song could be sung. She also explains that if she could not sing that song, it would be most embarrassing. She took up bravely and delivered. That's why she is a legend. Did she blame the music director for giving her the most difficult song?. If any singer feels that, she is not capable then. In fact, she expresses her pride.

app_engine wrote:Which is the reason for all such media comparisons all the time - as well as vayiththerichchals on social networks by the likes of "singer" Srinivas when Gautam glorified IR, petty manipulations of TV singing competitions, local award manipulations and now finally a kuppai interview by their idol himself - badmouthing rAsA's music making style.

It is fascinating how every statement of IR is given an "egoistic" twist by the media. His recent talk where his extremely heartfelt appreciation for his team of musicians, past and present, and matter of fact narration of his working style (never takes more than 3 days for BGM of any movie, Priya re-recording) was mischievously misrepresented by the media as IR challenging world musicians to compose at his pace, as if composing is a petty contest for IR. On the other hand anything ARR says is given a "world peace", "humbler than a blade of grass" twist. I am very interested in how and why this came about. Any theories anyone?

V_S wrote:S Janaki expressing her pride in singing the most difficult song in her career. Composed by the 'sadist' (as expressed by ARR) music director L Vaidyanathan. M S Gopalakrishnan (violinst) almost ruled out that this song could be sung. She also explains that if she could not sing that song, it would be most embarrassing. She took up bravely and delivered. That's why she is a legend. Did she blame the music director for giving her the most difficult song?. If any singer feels that, she is not capable then. In fact, she expresses her pride.

That was a good song V_Sji. I haven't heard it before. Btw, remember the recent IR meet with fans where a lady asked him whether he felt any of his compositions were difficult and without any hesitation, IR shook his head. LOL.

fring151 wrote:
Btw, remember the recent IR meet with fans where a lady asked him whether he felt any of his compositions were difficult and without any hesitation, IR shook his head. LOL.

IR's attitude to work resembles Sehwag's style the best. They are the ultimate definition of KISS. Keep It Simple Silly. Their philosophy towards their art/work is so dead simple and that is the way they have adopted to approach it. The complexity is for the outer world who can't comprehend the attitude. Sehwag is also known for his arrogant statements. The genius may not comparable but the approach is. IR shaking his head reminds me of Sehwag, who after his 293 vs Sri Lanka in Mumbai (scored some 288 in like 3 sessions) that he punished only the bad balls (Murali bowled well and was punished). LOL.

Yeah, but IR has kept innovating while Sehwag has been reluctant to change, so IR is way cooler.  

Yeah. Like I said, the genius may not be comparable. The attitudes see a parallel

I mean the attitudes too. IR has kept absorbing new sounds and fitted them into his overall approach to remain both unique and, er, trendy.   Sehwag allowed bowlers to sort him out.  He was reluctant to curb his style on the offside.  In fact, his backlift began to veer more and more towards gully; it used to be closer to midoff when he started...so he sort of regressed as a batsman.  IR is too motivated to just regress and fade away into oblivion.

T Sounder's next article, sudhdha sAvEri

மனதைக் கவரும் ராகங்களில் இன்னிசை மீட்டி  ,மனத்திரையில் சித்திரங்களை எழுப்பவல்ல  , கலையின் நோக்கமே அழகைப்படைப்பது என்ற இயல்பில் தனது ஆளுமையை , தான்  அனுபவித்த விதங்களில் எல்லாம் வெளிப்படுத்தி,  நம் சிந்தையை மகிழ்ச்சிப் பெருக்கில் ஆழ்த்தி இசை அறிவுச்  சாலையை  திறந்து  வைப்பது இளையராஜாவின் இசை

app,
 Thanks for the link............ IR's ragam....adhilum... variety...  feelings based.. character based....... Situation based......
anga irukar IR.....

about IR.........  Tamizh  mozhi il dhan.. niraiya seidhu irukar... pira mozhigalai vida........ anal.. inga dhan.. avaruku
mariyadhi ilai.. enna kodumai..........

@isaifan - good to meet an old friend then :-)
@Usha - have you seen the Karur composing session video ? People do really love him. He was really mobbed. Everybody keeps saying  "iyah" . and also to answer fring as well. I think it is his sharp tongue and impatience which offends the media and others. But the fact is, if you have done your homework and confident you should not have any problems communicating with him. Like somebody said here, he does not "suffer fools" easily.

Kiru,
 parthen..... IR FANS.. no doubt.. always... love him.. respect him............

IR's Sudha saveri and IR's Madhyamavathi.. am a  Great Mad...........

Especially  Sudha Saveri.................  OUTDOOR  feelings......  romba azhaga andha feelings ai seidhu
irupar..


rettai kiligal.... idhu... oru ordinary character......... tamil naatu character........   tamizh nadu. situation......

koda manjiil    -    idhu.. kerala......... hero.........   andha climate.. andha cool.... feel panna mudiyum....

kovil mani oosai  -village situtation. hero....   enna oru variety........... idhu dhanae IR........

I did not feel like posting this in the SRR thread, so posting it here..one last time on the 'sadistic' ARR's comment on IR

IR's rendition of Jeevane Jeevane (Megha) and Gaali Ningi Neeru (Sri Rama Rajyam: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6vhscjnauzoflsf/gaali_sri%20rama%20rajiyam_IR.wma ) are enough to put most of the current singers to shame. Unfortunate that some media savvy souls like co-MD ARR and semi-singer Srinivas project such striving for perfection as 'sadistic happiness' just because they (player/singer) could not play/sing IR's notes   I mean no contempt, but they should be told it is high time for them to either remain silent or bury themselves under.

At a high level, one is a super composition, another is a super rendition. But, composition also has super rendition, and rendition also has super composition. We all know this is supreme excellence in art of the genius called IR
Now, going back to listen to OA scores.

Rex sir has posted this link in twitter:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/ninaivellam-nithya-original/id686064958

This corroborates with my many posts on how NN disk had BGMs of tik tik tik & others

My Tanjore collegemate (HCIRF famous for 'rAsA padaththai kaNNa moodikkittE pAKkalAm') had them all recorded together and we had endless enjoyment of these instrumental tracks during college days!

#13 of the above list is the "loop" used by HJ for 'suttum vizhichchudarE' IMO

dinamalar calls rAsA as திமுக & MSV as அதிமுக

ஆளுங்கட்சியினரிடம் அழைப்புகள் இல்லையென்றாலும் அவர்களுக்கு அனுமதி, அழைப்புகள் இருந்தும் திரையுலகினர் மற்றும் மீடியா மக்களுக்கு அனுமதி மறுப்பு என முதல்வர் ஜெயலலிதா கலந்து கொண்ட முதல்நாளே, பல்வேறு சர்சைகளுக்கு உள்ளாகி இருக்கும் சென்னை நேரு உள்விளையாட்டு அரங்கத்தில் ‌நடந்த சினிமா நூற்றாண்டு விழாவில், நேற்று விழாவிற்கு கடந்த 60 ஆண்டுகளாக தமிழ் திரை இசையுலகில் கொடிகட்டி பறந்தவரும், மெல்லிசை மன்னருமான எம்.எஸ்.விஸ்வநாதனுக்கு நுழைவு வாயிலில் உங்களது பெயர் விருது பட்டியலில் இல்லை, அழைப்பும் இல்லை எனவே அனுமதி இல்லை என செக்யுரிட்டிகள் தடுத்து நிறுத்தியதால் ‘‘சோதனை மேல் சோதனை...’’ என புலம்பியபடி அந்த இடத்தை விட்டு கிளம்பி திரும்பி சென்றார் எம்.எஸ்.வி.

அதேநேரம் இசைஞானி இளையராஜாவிற்கு விருதுகளும், மரியாதைகளும் முதல்வர் அவர்களது கரங்களால் வெகு ஜோராக வழங்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. இத்தனைக்கும் இளையராஜா திமுக ஆள் என்பதும், எம்.எஸ்.வி., அதிமுக மேலிடத்திற்கு அன்பானவர் என்பதும் எல்லோருக்கும் தெரிந்ததே... அப்படியிருந்தும் ஏன் இந்த பாரபட்சம்?! அம்மாவிற்கே வெளிச்சம்!!

isaifan wrote: 'sadistic happiness'

There's a funny thing in a recent SS4 episode.

The kaLLa gumbal wants to praise sky-high the northie "sArangi" player (who in association with a flautist  butchered some rAsA songs, esp sangeetha jAthi mullai), thus hoping to get their "improvised" versions praised as way better than rAsA originals. (TV fellows do this from time to time).

They were praising the instrumentalists sky high.

At one point, the sArangi player same side goal pOttArE pakkalAm!

Watch between 24:30 and 25:00 of the following youtube:


You should see the crowd instantly breaking into applause when the magical name is spelt!

So, there are always lot of enemy-acclaimed instrumental players who love a sadist composer

Nice catch app ji!  

AlexXpandian playing rOjavai thaalaatum thendral on his new synth keyboard (courtesy AravindMano via twitter). Magical fingers.

Raaja talking about Lalgudi Jayaraman that made its way to the papers. The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNJPDM1wh38

Worth noting that IR came to know Lalgudi was inspired by his kriti and composed another kriti only while attending the book's relaunch.

app and VS,
  thanks for the videos......  Alex pandiyan.. Really Great....

i love this so much..............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxZEOmO85ZY

kaliyugas...  really a Great team........ Perfect and Best Performance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAkWf-oW7U

Got this link below from a tweet by SKV - nicely written on 'iLa manadhu pala kanavu' by a person from SL:

நாய் படும் பாடு

யாழ்ப்பாணத்தில் இந்தப் பாடல் மிகப்பிரசித்தம். அத்துடன் இந்தப் பாட்டின் தனி இசைத்தடமும் ( Musical track only ), இசைஞானியால் இந்தப் படத்தில் வெளியிடப் பட்டது. அது இளமனது..பல கனவு என்றதன் தனி இசை. வாசித்தவர் விஜி மனுவல் என்று கேள்விப்பட்டுள்ளேன் .

அந்தக் காலத்தில் யாழ்ப்பாணத்தில் பல தனியார் வீடியோ கடைகள் குறிப்பிட்ட எல்லைக்குள் உள்ள மக்கள் பார்க்கும் வண்ணமும், தங்களின் விளம்பர வருமானத்துக்கு உதவும் வண்ணமுமாக ஒளிபரப்புக்களை மேற்கொண்டிருந்தார்கள். இதில் கச்சேரி நல்லூர் செல்வா வீடியோஸ் குறிப்பிடத்தக்கவர்கள் . இந்தப்பாடலையோ இசையையோ அவர்கள் ஒலி ஒளிபரப்பாத நாளே கிடையாது. இவ் ஒளிபரப்புக்களை சில மைல் சுற்றாடல்களுக்குள்ளேயே பார்க்க முடியும். அந்த ஒளிபரப்புக்களில் வரும் விளம்பரங்களுக்கும், தடங்கல்களுக்கும்,.. தாங்கள் ஒளிபரப்பும் இரு நிகழ்ச்சிகளுக்கிடையிலான இடைவெளியை நிரப்புவதற்கும் பாவித்த இசை இசைஞானியின் இசைக்குறிப்புக்காக விஜி மனுவல் வாசித்த இந்த இசைச் சேர்க்கையே… அது மட்டுமல்லாமல் பாடல்களை கசற்களில் பதியும் றெக்கோடிங் கடைகள், கசற்றின் மீதமுள்ள பகுதிகளில். ஒலிப்பதிவு செய்து நிரப்பியதும் இந்தத் தனி இசையே.... இதனால் இந்தப் பாட்டு வெளிவரப் போகும் படத்தில் இந்தப் பாட்டு எவ்வளவு அழகாகப் படம் பிடிக்கப் பட்டிருக்குமோ ?? என்ற ஆவல் எல்லோரிடத்திலும் ஏற்பட்டிருந்தது.

That highlighted portion was applicable to TN recording centers too

Did JJ deliberately avoid some names in the centenary function?

இசையமைப்பாளர்கள் பெயர்களை சொன்னவர் இளையராஜா வரை வந்துவிட்டு ஏ.ஆர்.ரஹ்மான் பெயரை உச்சரிக்காமல் தவிர்த்தது, ஏதோ ஒரு முடிச்சு இருப்பதை உணர்த்தியது.

I guess rAsA is in JJ's good books after a couple of concerts for Jaya TV

Otherwise it's difficult to imagine him in this list where MSV got missed out

Didn't JJ recently celebrate MSV-TKR, even announcing publicly that she reco-ed them for padma awards but an unfriendly central gov didn't agree...even told then that there comes a time when central gov will listen to her and MSV-TKR will get padma award then...