Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 4

IR had done an admirable job of defending his rights. Legally, ethically and morally he has all the rights to claim his due.

Most of the morons who oppose him are the fellows who never bothered to pay for anything and looking for free lunches all the time.

Not many know that IR had composed without any salary for movies by Pratap Poththan, Atharvam (Malayalam director), and Kutty directors. Which other MDs have done this?

app_engine wrote:Another "medhuvAththEn varuvAn" group - the MD's association :
http://cinema.dinamalar.com/tamil-news/57564/cinema/Kollywood/music-union-meet-ilarayaraja-to-get-copy-rights-to-sing-his-song.htm



These fellows should have jumped and supported IR on the very first day - when SPB did that FB post and 1000's of horrible comments / archchanai's fell on IR

Now, they're slowly waking up (rather, sensing moolA) and watchfully coming out.

these bleddy buggers make my blood boil. they did felicitation for rahman and also invited raja who gave an best historic speech ever. they didnt have thought and mmay be heart too, to organize an event for Raja-1000. For what more achievement of raja they are waiting for? Do they find Raja-1000 as nota worthy one?!?

And buggers now are waking up becos they may be seeing this as an oppurtunity to divert royalty/copyright panchayat to musicians union and "make" some money. sure these douchebags wont have interest in supporting artist's rights

Excellent article, highlights hypocrisy of IR-haters and highlights his professionalism:
https://silverscreen.in/features/ilaiyaraaja-spb-dispute-whats-friendship-got-to-do-with-it/

When Ilaiyaraaja started his career in the 1970s, he entered a haphazard world with barely any organisation. But he was different from the order that existed then. He was on time to work everyday (”you could set a clock by when he arrived”), he worked with discipline. He acknowledged what Ashoka Mitran, the legendary Tamil writer who died yesterday, recognised: “Writing is not all inspiration. It needs rigorous discipline too.”

Over the years, through his personality and his success, Ilaiyaraaja brought order to the world of Tamil film music. His recordings started on time and ended on time. His musicians – who remain fiercely loyal to him – were paid on time. He was among the few professionals in a world of amateurs, fighting to professionalise Tamil film music.

Sadly, 40 years since, he still is among the few, and still fighting the same fight.

Watching Muthuramalingam in Herotalkies now.  Ironically, SPB has sung 2 of the 3 songs in the movie - obviously I love all the 3 songs - the best being the duet song "Katti Katti" sung by SPB and Ramya

spb doesnt seem to understand the gravity of the situation or by nature he thinks by liberty of friendship he can continue mocking and he deserves special exception. There was some article posted that GA has said both spb and IR have talked and he hopes this will be resolved in few days. I thought he is going to discuss with organizers and solve the issue and sing raja songs for remaining of tour. I was checking his facebook page and someone posted a video clip of dallas concert. He seems to convince the crowd support by cracking jokes about situation. He asks what song can we sing next ? then goes "stop talking about trump. Hope Trump does not sees this and says you cannot sing this !!!!! " then whole crowd makes noise and laughs. Absolutely no clue what is going on why such joke is necessary in this situation. In facebook he sensationalise the news then comes back and says please stop this from now dont sensationalise and in concert he simply cracks jokes and tries to get crowd support !!. May be his proximity with bharathiraja makes him do this ? the vidoe clip which went rounds where he insults how celebreties should behave and head weightt. Bharathiraja used to use those words and continue doing that despite raja did not like that kind of talk. Now spb despite knowing this news has been blown up and if he doesnt want to sing raja songs so be it. Atleast he should stop mocking about the situation. Have no clue what he is thinking.

https://www.facebook.com/grandworldtour/

check out the short clips. its hilarious spb charan commenting "i have seen dad sing with 60 piece orchestra and now it is 10 piece orchestra but still no loss of sound quality" with computers and keyboards we are able to do it !! then he goes on singing "ottakatha kattikoa" (no spb singing only charan). They seem to have an agenda trying to convince the crowd how they were able to overcome the situation and sing only non-raja songs. Whatever they seem to be certain to exclude raja songs even after all the coverage this news has revealed. It seems they have joined the "kumbals". no sense at all to understand the situation.

app_engine wrote:Excellent article, highlights hypocrisy of IR-haters and highlights his professionalism:
https://silverscreen.in/features/ilaiyaraaja-spb-dispute-whats-friendship-got-to-do-with-it/

When Ilaiyaraaja started his career in the 1970s, he entered a haphazard world with barely any organisation. But he was different from the order that existed then. He was on time to work everyday (”you could set a clock by when he arrived”), he worked with discipline. He acknowledged what Ashoka Mitran, the legendary Tamil writer who died yesterday, recognised: “Writing is not all inspiration. It needs rigorous discipline too.”

Over the years, through his personality and his success, Ilaiyaraaja brought order to the world of Tamil film music. His recordings started on time and ended on time. His musicians – who remain fiercely loyal to him – were paid on time. He was among the few professionals in a world of amateurs, fighting to professionalise Tamil film music.

Sadly, 40 years since, he still is among the few, and still fighting the same fight.

 On point.  This is what a friend of mine, who has lived in US and is a fan of both IR and SP, said as well, what's friendship got to do with it, adding that in the West it's pretty clear and well accepted that composer owns the copyright over the musical work.  Friendship cannot amount to an entitlement to waive off the composer's rights on his own songs.

I would be inclined to take a less black and white view if SP can produce any evidence that in fact he co-created some of these songs but generously refused taking credit for them officially.  But IR has repeatedly asserted that he and he alone conceives the songs.  Remember when he came down like a ton of bricks on Anitha for daring to ask if the humming portions in Nila Kayudhu were improvised by SJ herself.  A mere performer has no rights on the song, however unpalatable this may be to SPB, his fans, his industry 'wellwishers' and sundry gumbals.  Dolly Parton made way more money off I Will Always Love than Whitney Houston because she made money off the sales of the single as well as every concert appearance where Whitney performed it.  That's how it works and if SP doesn't like it, maybe he should have tried to get more films as a composer.

...Friendship cannot amount to an entitlement to waive off the composer's rights on his own songs....

Yes. Thats the reason raja keeps friendship and business separate and let his team to deal with it and maintains silence. Most blame raja saying why he didnt call ,,friendship blah blah.. But if the friend knows all the regulations and knows what he is doing and continues to do that, raja would have thought there is no reason to call and ask and remind him of regulations. Haters think raja did this with intention and spb crying fowl instead of handling situation for what it deserves supporting his friend raja and asking organizers to correct themselves , which is what his own fans asked (who bought tickets ). I thought after whole industry morally and legally supports raja ..spb doesnt seems to get a grasp of the message or he is again willfully acting in disguise of friendship he can continue to do anything when it comes to raja. That article what friendship has to do with it was spot on... His words in dallas concert seems to show he is not least bothered about it (as if he did not read any news at all). Heard in sanjose concert he was upset and sang simla special song few words repeatedly..if he has got the message he should correct himself and but he still continues the mockery. Lets see what he does when he comes back to chennai. Meanwhile Vishal screaming he is going to arrange concert with raja and spb. lets see.

I see this whole issue like if a kids is doing nonsense and kid expect parent to do some favour and bend rules when everyone watches in public. A good parent should correct the kid rather trying to hide in favour of kid. Thats what raja did and haters jump. A good friend is the one who corrects the mistakes of other and other should gracefully accept and correct rather making mockery of situation and also no respect to industry folks as well and shows my ego is more important , but blames raja is egoistic.

irfan123 wrote:spb doesnt seem to understand the gravity of the situation or by nature he thinks by liberty of friendship he can continue mocking and he deserves special exception. There was some article posted that GA has said both spb and IR have talked and he hopes this will be resolved in few days. I thought he is going to discuss with organizers and solve the issue and sing raja songs for remaining of tour. I was checking his facebook page and someone posted a video clip of dallas concert. He seems to convince the crowd support by cracking jokes about situation. He asks what song can we sing next ? then goes "stop talking about trump. Hope Trump does not sees this and says you cannot sing this !!!!! " then whole crowd makes noise and laughs. Absolutely no clue what is going on why such joke is necessary in this situation. In facebook he sensationalise the news then comes back and says please stop this from now dont sensationalise and in concert he simply cracks jokes and tries to get crowd support !!. May be his proximity with bharathiraja makes him do this ? the vidoe clip which went rounds where he insults how celebreties should behave and head weightt. Bharathiraja used to use those words and continue doing that despite raja did not like that kind of talk. Now spb despite knowing this news has been blown up and if he doesnt want to sing raja songs so be it. Atleast he should stop mocking about the situation. Have no clue what he is thinking.

Looks like Bharatiraja is coming around back to Raja again.  In the series "Pannaipuram Express" written by GA in Nakkeeran, a few weeks back, seeing that GA was consistently criticizing IR, GA notes that Bharatiraaja called him to state that GA should not write criticizing Raja.  Recently there have been reports that BR is seeking to get IR to compose for his new fil,

irfan123 wrote:https://www.facebook.com/grandworldtour/

check out the short clips. its hilarious spb charan commenting "i have seen dad sing with 60 piece orchestra and now it is 10 piece orchestra but still no loss of sound quality" with computers and keyboards we are able to do it !! then he goes on singing "ottakatha kattikoa" (no spb singing only charan). They seem to have an agenda trying to convince the crowd how they were able to overcome the situation and sing only non-raja songs. Whatever they seem to be certain to exclude raja songs even after all the coverage this news has revealed. It seems they have joined the "kumbals". no sense at all to understand the situation.

I attended SPB's performance in NJ a few years back when he was here with a 15-20 piece orchestra. it was horrible. (the only saving grace was his voice and IR songs)

திரை உலகில் இளையராஜா - எஸ்.பி.பி. மோதல் கவலை அளிக்கிறது. இருவரும் 40 ஆண்டு நண்பர்கள். இருவருக்கும் அறிவுரை சொல்லக்கூடிய நிலையில் நாங்கள் இல்லை. இளையராஜா எடுத்தது நல்ல முடிவு. பெரிய கண் திறந்து இருக்கிறது. அவர் ஒரு படைப்பாளி. ஒரு பாடல் உருவாகும்போது வயலின் எங்கே வர வேண்டும், புல்லாங்குழல் எங்கே வர வேண்டும் என ஒவ்வொரு இசைக்கும் எழுதிக் கொடுக்கிறார். அதன்படிதான் இசைக் கலைஞர்கள் இசையை எழுப்புகிறார்கள். எனவே இதில் படைப்பாளி இசை அமைப்பாளர்தான்.
அவர் அதற்குச் சம்பளம் பெற்றாலும் ஒவ்வொரு முறையும் அதைப் பயன்படுத்தும்போது அதன் ராயல்டி பங்கு இசையமைப்பாளருக்கும் போய்ச் சேர வேண்டும். அந்த உரிமையைத்தான் அவர் கேட்கிறார். கேட்பது அவரது உரிமை.\\

http://minnambalam.com/k/1490513066

irir123 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kfHI_sKmac


Director Velu Prabhagaran on this issue and his experience working with IR

Thanks a lot for sharing! One of the most defining interviews about Maestro Glad Velu Prabhakaran spoke his heart out and enlightened many who do not know the real truth and who really wanted to know the truth behind Maestro's actions. Definitely this is not for the ones who do not wish to seek the truth and wanted to live in darkness and ignorance. Made my day!!

மனிதர்களிலேயே நடிக்காத ஒரு மனிதன்!! Nothing more to emphasize.

All 4 parts of  copyright article series

https://mobile.twitter.com/tekvijay/status/846260212998819840

lots of new revealing info. we shud connect the dots btw this and the talk shows we saw. for example, u can recall dhananjayan in nakkal tone, asking pradeep if they hav old producers' letter that they gave raja the ringtone rights. becos ringtones are multicrore market and seemsraja is suffering since he is unable to find back all the old producers...

there is still lots of infos lying in those talk shows. all of them are almost a hour long ones. good if someone makes a long list of bullettin points on what and all is siaid in all of them

Also, if we make such bullettin points from ALL talkshows from various channels, we can get much more new infos.. they will make raja side appear morestronger

SAC aka Vijay's daddy / singer Shoba's hubby dropping pearls on IR / royalty

No one is asking these fellows to show gratitude to IR, though they owe him in one way or other.

All that is needed is to be simply righteous on this issue.

Which is obviously lacking with almost ALL pirabalams of TN! (Some are openly opposed while others keep kaLLa mounam, including fellows from IR's thozhil - they are the worst, including ARR, who is right now enforcing the exact same thing that IR is demanding While such fellows keep mum, IR is being criticized by all and sundry. Well, IMHO, these fellows are keeping mum simply because they envy IR so much and are of such an inferiority complex that they couldn't match IR on anything musically!   ).

I don't see any pirabalam talking in IR's support (with the exception of very few, those too talking because they have some stake in the booty if it comes eventually).

Looks like none of the industry idiots seem to understand the correctness of IR's stand

Everybody wants IR to change his stand it seems

Why can't you fellows understand his legal rights and bring about a system that pays royalty properly - instead of bulldozing a creative artist?

Ludicrous!
(And very same fellows will shout on top the issue of pirated DVDs etc )

Biased and idiotic writer :
http://www.mathrubhumi.com/movies-music/features/ilayaraja-gangaiamaran-music-1.1813455

The title of the article is "pAttinde mudhalALi yAr"

OTOH, if one looks at the readers' comments, it appears public has better awareness there too

Which means, the organizations have a malicious agenda against IR (including those in KL).

One reader's comment puts the issue very simple :

Giriman wrote:
ഇളയരാജ ജനം പാടുന്നതിനെതിരെ ഒന്നും പറഞ്ഞില്ല. വാണിജ്യ
അടിസ്ഥാനത്തിൽ ഗാനമേള നടത്തുന്നവർ മ്യൂസിക് റൈറ്റ്
എടുത്തവരിൽ നിന്ന് അനുവാദം എടുക്കണമെന്ന് മാത്രമാണ്.

While the article claims "people are the owner of any song", quoting MSV, this reader's comment is accurate and to the point!

Let me translate it, with my comment within brackets :

Ilayaraja is NOT telling anything against people singing his songs! (i.e. as insinuated in the article)

All he says is simply this : those who organize music events on commercial basis get permission from the music rights owners!

Part 3 of that pathrikai.com article :
https://www.patrikai.com/shocked-backround-of-copyright-issue-3/

Part 4 link:
https://www.patrikai.com/audio-companies-are-cheating-180-crores-niyogi/

Agaththiyan (director of the super hit movie kAdhal kOttai for which Deva was MD - possibly Deva's career-best album; he later did kAdhal kavidhai with IR and was given great songs as usual) comedy :
https://www.patrikai.com/agathian-condemend-patrikai-com/

Like Plum tweeted, there may be some political bulldozing of IR

See this and connect with vengAya minister's interest in this issue:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/gangai-amaren-says-ilaiyaraja-and-spb-have-talked-with-each-other-and-a-solution-can-be-expected-in-two-days-tamil-news-181899.html

app_engine wrote:Like Plum tweeted, there may be some political bulldozing of IR

See this and connect with vengAya minister's interest in this issue:
http://www.indiaglitz.com/gangai-amaren-says-ilaiyaraja-and-spb-have-talked-with-each-other-and-a-solution-can-be-expected-in-two-days-tamil-news-181899.html

This is not great news. Not that I do not want two friends to patch up. The copyright issue will be forgotten and this huge opportunity will go waste. As I mentioned before, however nasty it got, the focus is on the issue due to SPB's profile. One should not lose steam and leave the issue for future resolution. Raja's team should get a clear direction from the government on how creators get compensated for their work. A good outcome of such a deal would be:

- Govt bans the IPRC
- Govt banks the org that is from SI audio companies
- Govt bans all intermediaries
- Govt appoints a governing body like the censor board to monitor payments to creators from media such as: a) TV b) Radio c) Internet d) Commercial Performers beyond a certain size (example, ticket collections per event > 10 lacs)

All music programs, contests must go through a formal declaration to this board.

it would be laudable to get all the intellectual property issues addressed for future.

However, personally, I'll be happy if either state or central gov does "nationalize" IR's works (all, past-present-future, the IP of them) - by paying him a reasonably large lump sum (say 1000 cr, as today's cr = lac of 80's) - and leave him alone to focus on creative work.

Will vengAyam (or the TN pazham) do that?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/ilaiyaraaja-sp-balasubrahmanyan-royalty-issue-my-songs-my-royalties/article17682511.ece

MOST best article coming from a person who is both an expert than most of all, in copyright, and also sees where Raja is missing in the copyright issue.

He is not aware just only about this SPB issue but much beyond that.

and the below piece takes the cake! Whatte!