Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 2

app_engine wrote: ஆடு பகை, குட்டி உறவு

I think IR does not let his biases/grudges influence his kids. I respect him. A gentleman. I have seen Bhava mentioning ARR in positive terms (and we all know about Yuvan) . Also, he is nice to children of people whom he may not be comfortable with. He is always a nice 'periyappA' to GA's kids ,whatever be his 'mood/anger' with his little brother. One day, he might even work with VM's son, I think.
(I think Karthik is the most 'appA piLLai' :-) )

Who said people no longer talk about annakkiLi?

Like Nerd said in the scribble pad, 'machchAnap pAththeengaLA' is repeatedly heard EVEN at the "ARR-centric" Vijay TV super singer shows

IR's speech at Pattukottai Kalyanasundaram Documentary Launch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-5YNbR0MWI

Nothing on the net. A small round-up on an extended stay in Hyderabad recently.
Thanks to a rickety ancient mp3 player pilfered from wife I had the chance to listen to a lot of FM.It is not something I do in Chennai given a) the prime time contemporary boring songs domination 2) Raja saar spewing RJs mokkai commentary in between Raja songs - or perhaps the other way around - during Raja time. After the novelty of the experience in 2010 when I moved to Chennai I had stopped this exercise completely.

Hyderabad FM was a better experience - this despite the fact that on the average you are more likely to get a Raja song in Chennai FM than in Hyderabad. Admittedly I am extrapolating based on my totally unscientific method of stats collection - primarily consisting of flipping channels all through the day when I get a chance to listen to FM - means skipping every song including Raja songs and just flipping all through to note the stats of what songs are played how regularly.

As I said in absolute numbers of Raja songs played Chennai trumps Hyderabad - at the outset a distressing piece of statistic. However as always there are wheels within wheels and these particular wheels are very heart-warming. Hyderabad may lose out on quantity but on quality of Raja appreciation it trumps Chennai as expected.
This is how things go.

Morning prime time(8AM until 11AM) is primarily new songs - basically last two years worth of hits with the occasional one from last 4-5 years - in all channels except Rainbow FM which plays English Pop hits and Big FM which is unabashedly Hindi. 

However a few classics do seep through occasionally in the morning - no surprise for guessing which are these classics. Yes it is mostly IR with the rare MM Keeravani or Mani sharma hit. However it is quite trying to go through 3 hours of primarily non-raja contemporary "music" to catch the occasional classic. 

And that's not the end of the story - the real story is the actual Raja songs that get requested and played. In the case of MMK and Mani S the songs requested are primarily hero hits (i.e) songs remembered because of the hero Chiru or Balaiah or Venky - note that Nagarjuna doesnt have this fandom - a choodalani undhi or preminchukundham raa. In the case of Raja they surprised me completely exposing even me a veteran of telugu songs of Raja with rare rare rarest hits of Raja from obscure movies or movies whose heroes raise no contemporary fandom.

Songs like "Thene kannA theeyanidhi" (Rajkumar whichj is famous for Janaki kalaganaledhu) Chamki Chakka(Kokila) and manhy others were a revelation to me.
Goes to show with Raja you can never be confident you have listened to it all.

The important thing is the recent hits that get played. It is mostly last two-three years' hits - and I found that Yeto Vellipoyindhi Gundello Godaari Gaayam2 and EVEN Dhoni and Om Shanti(which was way back in 2010 or so) find decent airing. All songs of YVM except pengal endraal and pudikkala mama are patronised. Telugus love melody you see - except when jiving to heavy beats of DSP types I suppose LOL

The only Rahman song - not even album - that gets an airing in this time period in the predominantly telugu channels is gunjukunnA(nenjukullE). Not even other songs from Kadal. Nary a hint of Maryaan etc.

Big FM is a different story though - Highway etc find lot of patronisation. So that's the prime time story - Rahman is a much played bollywood composer while Raja is a marginally played tollywood composer. Rahman the tollywood composer is no where in the picture.
(Contd)

Another thing with us Hyderabadis is that Hindi is a part of our life and mixes freely with Telugu both in the RJ's talk and in the culture therefore almost all the time the occasional hindi song finds its way into the telugu dominant channels as well. In that way while Raja makes his presence with YVM Dhoni etc during this time frame in these channels Rahman establishes his presence through Raanjhana Highway etc.

The telugu hits that dominate are from lsat 2 years and therefore DSP rules the charts with SS Thaman who has been limping for last two years until Race Gurram coming a distant last. Anup Reubens finds a lot of air.

Well thats the story so far and I know you are going to commiserate with me for the deterioration of my beloved telugu land into heathen worship

But the story has just started - read on

Post 11AM though the game changes. The mix changes about 90 degrees with more classics and less recent songs though still only 50-50 in percentage. 


Didn't hear much of the afternoon but whatever I heard showed that this remained the case until aroun d5PM with 5PM-8Pm returning to the prime time story.

The story after 9PM is the real one. The mix changes to lots of classics with barely a contemporary song in the air.

And expectedly it is downright dominated by Raja - not as much as in Chennai where he is 80%. It is only about 40% in Hyderabad but the songs they choose! Very very involved behyond the usual hit 80s trap and freely distributed across 80s 90s 00s and 2010s.

Maragadhamani and Mani Sharma come next accounting for about 40% between them thanks to 90s nostalgia of hero fans and family movie fans of 90s(SV KRishnareddy EVV Satyanarayana hits)

KVM Chakravarthy etc from 80s find about another 10-15%. There is barely a Rahman song in this period - and if  there is it is from a Shankar Mani saaror Rajinikanth movie. No Amrutham(Kannathil) or Guru or Kadali or Raavanan.


But my telugu people they are very very nuanced - they know to pick Gopi Lola from Ladies Tailor rather than the insanely popular Porappaattidhi or Ekkada Ekkada; songs like giliga gili giliga godave godavamma etc which I had not even heard before and werent big hits. From Kirathakudu a song like nannelokam rammanaledhu which was not at all a big hit then finds favour.

The refreshing thing is the RJs arent "Raja saar" senti like the sentiment milking tamil RJs. They are matter of fact and the respect for Raja comes through very professionally.

Incidentally Million DOllar Arm was being promoted heavily. the RJ bigged it up talking about Suraj Sharma of Pi fame; madhur mittal of slumdog fame etc; I waited for the drumrolls to oscar fame Rahman saar musicla vandha MDA but it never came! They didnt even acknowledge Rahman's role in the movie while trying to promote it - a very significant event in my opinion. 

I had a few other notes in the mind about the rare songs that played but have lost it. Need to go on a hunting to catch those songs now. Bye.

plum wrote:
 songs like giliga gili giliga godave godavamma etc which I had not even heard before and werent big hits. From Kirathakudu a song like nannelokam rammanaledhu which was not at all a big hit then finds favour.

Nice to read about this "அதன் காலத்துக்குப்பின்னும் கிடைக்கும் அங்கீகாரம்"

Hopefully TN-ers also will grow up some day, to appreciate EVK kind of stuff on FM channels

Lovely Plum. Very heartening to know this. 

On my twitter TL I have a few very hard core Raja Telugu fans and a few more in FB. There is a lady in Vizag, who is quite knowledgeable and she worships Raja so much so that when another Raja fan posted 'Nenjukulle' from 'Kadal' she bluntly told him that her ears hurt when they listen to such songs!!! 

Unfortunately I have not done this when I go to Hyd. Will try and undertake this effort next time and share my results, which will not be different from yours I am sure

Raaga_Suresh wrote:..another Raja fan posted 'Nenjukulle' from 'Kadal' she bluntly told him that her ears hurt when they listen to such songs!!! 

It does not hurt my ears, actually it is Rahman's songs that are soothing to the ears, Raja's songs sometimes hurts the ears :-( (bad recording - Rahman smooths out all the high frequencies, I think, never harsh/strident)
But whose song is soothing to the heart ..you take a guess.
Still songs like NenjukuLLE do bother me .. it perpertuates a 'stereotype' of a melody . a pretense of being serious/profound music.
Along with the composer himself showing up on stage with an accordion and seeming to be blissfully involved in playing a complex instrumental accompaniment !!!
enna solradhu .. fake times ..fake people .. fake world .. PR people solvadhu pOl pOdum vEsham .. kaalathin kOlam .. kali kaalam :-)

கிரு,

+1

காலத்தைப் பத்தி கவலைப்படாதீங்க. நமக்காகத்தான் ராசா ஆயிரக்கணக்கான பாட்டுகளைப் போட்டுக்கொடுத்திருக்கார், காலம் கடந்தும் நிக்கற மாதிரி

கோகுல்

Kiru,

Guess she was actually talking about getting an headache after hearing the song !!! 

And you are right about the overall fakeness of such music. Unfortunately lot of them buying into it and seriously think it is genuine.

kiru wrote: a pretense of being serious/profound music.

That is the real problem for TFM currently

What sounds to me like "hA, even I can compose such numbers", are being praised sky-high by the media and public.

Great fall, this TFM...

writeface wrote:கிரு,

+1

காலத்தைப் பத்தி கவலைப்படாதீங்க. நமக்காகத்தான் ராசா ஆயிரக்கணக்கான பாட்டுகளைப் போட்டுக்கொடுத்திருக்கார், காலம் கடந்தும் நிக்கற மாதிரி

கோகுல்

Maybe I am getting old :-) IR had to work very hard to get into the company of stalwarts .. If Sivaji says, "you are at their level" he is thrilled.. mind you .. he did not say "you beat them"..
And now people do some cut-and-paste and just two lines in the pallavi that is somewhat like a melody and think they are great in music !!!!
Actually, in one audio release function, I saw one gentlemen discrediting Oscars in front of IR.. to some extent I understand the 'anger' of these sort of people.
Forget IR, how many Oscars or Grammys people like MSV or KVM should have gotten. Probably, this is the "fall" app is referring to.
(@Suresh - you should introduce her to forum.. I feel women write from a diff. perspective . very different from us guys going 'analytical')
(Also Gokul, unfortunately I do not yet have a good copy of NEPV or Megha !!!! Just did some system improvements with a bel Canto USB converter and even ramanamaalai sounds like a awesome recording. I am sure your system is even better)

kiru wrote:
Maybe I am getting old :-) IR had to work very hard to get into the company of stalwarts .. If Sivaji says, "you are at their level" he is thrilled.. mind you .. he did not say "you beat them"..

:-)

I think even Raja himself personally evaluates his music at the same level. While he acknowledges the genius of his compositions, he never puts them above other master's compositions. I remember in BBC Tamilosai program, when interviewer was crediting Raja for bringing village music to TN, Raja provided counter argument that lots has been done before him and sang a KVM village song to support his point.

equa sir's twitlonger

It would be interesting to sit on a session with such brains

equanimus wrote:
- And of course, ராஜாவைப் பற்றியும் நிறையப் பேசினோம். ராஜாவைப் பற்றிய சில கருத்துக்கள் உருவான வரலாறு, etc. அவர் சிந்தனை ஓட்டத்தைச் சரியாக பிடிப்பதே ஒரு சவால் தான் என்பதை எல்லோரும் உணர்கிறார்களா? மற்ற நல்ல கலைஞர்கள் என்றளவில் இருப்போரையே இன்னும் சீரியஸாக அணுகவில்லை என்ற நிலையில் ராஜாவை அவர் சாதனைகளின் வீச்சை எல்லாம் விமரிசின உலகம் எப்பொழுது எட்டும் என்று அங்கலாய்த்துக் கொண்டோம்.

App - I think this was the twitlonger you intended to post earlier - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s1sfhe.

rajkumarc wrote:App - I think this was the twitlonger you intended to post earlier - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s1sfhe.

nanRi sir, for posting the correct link!

BTW, "rasigar manRam" news:
http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/71001-tree-saplings-plant-on-ilayaraaja-birthday-202241.html

இந்த முறை அவரது விருப்பத்துக்கேற்ப, அவரது பிறந்த நாளன்று 71001 மரக்கன்றுகளை நட இளையராஜா ரசிகர்கள் முடிவு செய்துள்ளனர். இந்த கன்றுகள் தமிழகம் முழுவதும் பல்வேறு இடங்களில் நடப்படுகிறது.

தனது பிறந்த நாளான ஜூன் 2-ம் தேதி திங்களன்று காலை 9 மணிக்கு முதல் மரக் கன்றை இளையராஜா தன் கையால் நட்டு இந்த நிகழ்ச்சியைத் தொடங்கி வைக்கிறார்

Look how even 4th grade kids are trained to be politically correct :

Interview of D/o singer UnniK

எந்த இசையமைப்பாளர் பிடிக்கும்?

ரஹ்மான் அங்கிள். ஹாரிஸ் ஜெயராஜ் அங்கிளோட பொண்ணும், நானும் கிளாஸ்மேட். அவரையும் பிடிக்கும். ம்... ம்... சொல்ல மறந்துட்டேன். இளையராஜா தாத்தாவை ரொம்பப் பிடிக்கும். ("ஜனனி ஜனனி' பாட்டைப் பாடுகிறாள்)

plum wrote:Nothing on the net. A small round-up on an extended stay in Hyderabad recently.
Thanks to a rickety ancient mp3 player pilfered from wife I had the chance to listen to a lot of FM.It is not something I do in Chennai given a) the prime time contemporary boring songs domination 2) Raja saar spewing RJs mokkai commentary in between Raja songs - or perhaps the other way around - during Raja time. After the novelty of the experience in 2010 when I moved to Chennai I had stopped this exercise completely.

Hyderabad FM was a better experience - this despite the fact that on the average you are more likely to get a Raja song in Chennai FM than in Hyderabad. Admittedly I am extrapolating based on my totally unscientific method of stats collection - primarily consisting of flipping channels all through the day when I get a chance to listen to FM - means skipping every song including Raja songs and just flipping all through to note the stats of what songs are played how regularly.

As I said in absolute numbers of Raja songs played Chennai trumps Hyderabad - at the outset a distressing piece of statistic. However as always there are wheels within wheels and these particular wheels are very heart-warming. Hyderabad may lose out on quantity but on quality of Raja appreciation it trumps Chennai as expected.
This is how things go.

Morning prime time(8AM until 11AM) is primarily new songs - basically last two years worth of hits with the occasional one from last 4-5 years - in all channels except Rainbow FM which plays English Pop hits and Big FM which is unabashedly Hindi. 

However a few classics do seep through occasionally in the morning - no surprise for guessing which are these classics. Yes it is mostly IR with the rare MM Keeravani or Mani sharma hit. However it is quite trying to go through 3 hours of primarily non-raja contemporary "music" to catch the occasional classic. 

And that's not the end of the story - the real story is the actual Raja songs that get requested and played. In the case of MMK and Mani S the songs requested are primarily hero hits (i.e) songs remembered because of the hero Chiru or Balaiah or Venky - note that Nagarjuna doesnt have this fandom - a choodalani undhi or preminchukundham raa. In the case of Raja they surprised me completely exposing even me a veteran of telugu songs of Raja with rare rare rarest hits of Raja from obscure movies or movies whose heroes raise no contemporary fandom.

Songs like "Thene kannA theeyanidhi" (Rajkumar whichj is famous for Janaki kalaganaledhu) Chamki Chakka(Kokila) and manhy others were a revelation to me.
Goes to show with Raja you can never be confident you have listened to it all.

The important thing is the recent hits that get played. It is mostly last two-three years' hits - and I found that Yeto Vellipoyindhi Gundello Godaari Gaayam2 and EVEN Dhoni and Om Shanti(which was way back in 2010 or so) find decent airing. All songs of YVM except pengal endraal and pudikkala mama are patronised. Telugus love melody you see - except when jiving to heavy beats of DSP types I suppose LOL

The only Rahman song - not even album - that gets an airing in this time period in the predominantly telugu channels is gunjukunnA(nenjukullE). Not even other songs from Kadal. Nary a hint of Maryaan etc.

Big FM is a different story though - Highway etc find lot of patronisation. So that's the prime time story - Rahman is a much played bollywood composer while Raja is a marginally played tollywood composer. Rahman the tollywood composer is no where in the picture.
(Contd)

Few additional points:
I continue to maintain my 100% rate of identifying a song as IR even when listening to from middle having never listened to it before.
Several songs I discovered during this visit as mentioned above and most of these were caught in the middle as I was flipping the FM channels. I'd go "ah that sounds like IR" and sure enough it'd turn out to be. Likewise one second of a raj-koti or keeravani song was enough to distinguish that it is NOT IR - though not enough to determine whether it was keeravani or mani sharma or raj-koti or whoever. I just dont understand people who claim that they are paamara isai rasigars and it is difficult to distinguish deva and raja for example. And that only hardcore fanatics of IR can differentiate. Over 30 years of intent listening I have a 100% success rate in 1) Idnetifying an unknwon IR song as IR 2) Identifying an unknown non-IR song as non-IR.
And by no means am an musical elite though I manage to fool a few people to sound like one - purely on account of ability to speak/write  English well.

A old post of mine comes to the mind on this:https://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t3p15-manadhil-oru-paattu-song-of-the-moment#824
(I am pretty much like that call taxi driver - enna I can write/speak ornamental English; he can't)

Plum wrote:
plumWas travelling back home from airport today in a Call Taxi. Radiola orE Raja pAttA pOikittirundhudhu. Driver seemed to be intently listening. nAn oNNum pEsalai. After a basket of Raja songs, suddenly tehre was a "enakkena piRandhava" slipped in. Driver immediately changed the channel - after keeping him in observation till then, immediately I recognized that ivan namma paya :lol:and asked

Me: ninga ilayaraja fanA
Him: (full of smile and happiness) AmAm saar. avar pAttu dhAn saar manasuku idhamA irukkum
(The mean streak in me was still suspicious - wanted to test him further. oru vElai idhamana pAttu rasiganO, without any discernment in music appreciation)
Me:appO En Raja pAttai mAththinInga
Him: endha pAttu saar? 
Me: ippO mAthiningale "enakkena pirandhava"
Him: illai saar, adhu avar pAttu mAdhri illai
Me: illainga adhu RAja pAttu dhAN. idhukku  munnAdi kEttadhillaiyA? enna padam theriyumA? Prabu padam. K Balu eduthadhu. avarukku eppOvumE Raja dhAn music
Him: illai saar kEttadhillai but adhu avar pAttu mAdhiri illai saar
Me: oh appO theriyAmalE Raja pAttu illainu mudivu paNNittIngaLA?
Him: ennamO saar, enakku apdi thONuchu. 
Me: edhai vechu solRInga Raja pAttillainu?
Him: adhellAM enakku theriyAdhu saar. nAn oru pAmaran, sAdharaNa rasigan enakku adhu Raja saar pattu madhiri thONAlai

Me: (Triumphantly) nee rasigEndA! indha pidi aayiram poRkAsugaL!


The reason I am quoting this is in that forum, we are used to certian political beings claiming to be pAmarans and therefore unable to distinguish Deva and Raja. (basically they have an agenda to promote non-IR and use the pAmaran label for that). And here was a man who has no musical pretense but is able to still identify the Raja signature and calling himself a pAmaran. 

I think this is what is true rasippu thanmai. The ability to atleast identify your taste in your heart even if you are not able to articulate it. It also speaks about how Raja's music speaks to hearts of people. evLO Rajavai uL vAngi irundhA, andha isai ilakkaNam theriyadha sAdhAraNA rasigan avLO accurateA annappaRavai pOla paguthaRiya mudium?

Shouldnt our web aaivekkadus who claim to be unable to differentiate between Deva and RAja be ashamed of themselves? And on top of that stelaing the pAmaran label for themselves. Basically, to me this guy is a proper pAmara isai rasigan. He doesnt know music grammar but he is an ordinary pAmara rasigan who knows exactly what he appreciates. 

endha music perusungaradhu mukkiyam illai. rasippula oru underlying ability to discerrn vENum. One cannot hide under the pOrvai of pAmaran and use that to justify lack of discerning and lack of discrimination.

What a wonderful night! Tried to tip that feller extra. He refused it.


The thing that I am specifically referring here is the rebuttal I usually get to saying that it is alway spossible to differentiat ebetweeen IR and cheap quality imitations of IR. THey say "But Plum you are a hard core fan of IR and a meesical so you can differentiate but we pAmarans cannot differntiate that much".

My message to thosee folks is "no you arent the pAmara rasigan. YOu arent even a isai rasigan. A true pAmara rasigan is like that call taxi driver, who can differentiate an ddiscern even though he cannot articulate. Dont even try to call yourself pAmara rasigan or even rasigan"

This is a great initiative. I say this simply as a tree lover and someone who dislikes official fanclubs of any sort in general.

http://www.thehindu.com/features/cinema/a-tree-for-ilaiyaraaja/article6066021.ece

Violin vicky's Amma enrazhaikadha........

Paatin Jeevan........ Voice il irukum expression........ Piano vil........  Really Excellent one........

but tempo... konjam adhigamaga irukira madhirii iruku........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc9_vlA03QQ

A blogpost on Ilayaraaja and Kalyani raaga. Might be a case of thirumba thirumba pesara nee for those familiar with most of the posts in the blog thus far. But nevertheless, http://raajasongadaykeepsboredomaway.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/137-how-to-name-it/ (had promised a couple of sincere music fans not too aware of Raaja that I'd share a post and so the thirumba thirumba... with some intro balanced with some music techniques). Hope it engages you. Give it a read. Cheers!

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LM on twitter wrote:
Ilaiyaraaja ji ke sangeet mein mera aur S P Balasubrahmanyam ka gaya ek geet aap ke sab ke liye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jih2kxPyYU&sns=em …

வேறென்ன, வளையோசை தான்!

https://soundcloud.com/ks-suka

http://tamil.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%9C%E0%AE%BE-%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%B3%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%A9%E0%AF%8D-%E0%AE%87%E0%AE%9A%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81-%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%AF%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%81-71/article6072939.ece?homepage=true&theme=true