Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 2

crimson king wrote:DM: I am referring to that Brangan interview where he said he didn't want to do 30 films a year, just whatever was his share as per God. I didn't like the moralising tone in that statement. But as for speed, it's just overenthusiastic fans. In that forbes interview, he has only said he spends 20-30 minutes in a day on composing, not that he wraps up the tune in 20 minutes. Anyway Raghu fans are a chippy bunch, don't like to admit there may be anything at all in which raja is better. Ignore unless it's a celeb fan like srini.

He says it happens in 20-30 minutes. Not more. As I see it, it is too vague and a reader will only assume it is a tune (second comment in this very article is proof and I've seen discussions of his fans being in awe at that *spontaneous* aspect). Anyway, I'm not bothered if he gets in 20 minutes or 1 month. The fan inconsistency was what I was sAdifying. Whether it deserves our ire or not is a different issue. A devil's advocate is essential is my view.

And to be more specific, sAdifying celebrity inconsistency. VM: He composes and rejects his own tune and takes time to get to the final tune (implication of what he said in 1994). Sreeni now: ARR is a spontaneous composer. We can choose to ignore fan inconsistency because they consume what is thrown at them by these celebrities. But these celebs with a voice getting inconsistent most definitely needs a devil's advocate.

I have to disagree respectfully. He says, "There's this Big Bang Moment. It either comes or it doesn't."  So he has clearly implied that there are times probably where nothing happens even in those 20-30 minutes.  And he has not even said what he does compose in those 20-30 minutes.  A full tune or just bits?  Even that big bag moment could be just a snatch of a pallavi (but which might excite him and he might work on it in future).  If people jump to overenthusiastic conclusions on it, I don't think that is Rahman's fault.  I mean that way in the case of so many IR statements that got twisted, the media's interpretation could be held to be correct.   However, things like God's share or "I don't grab work by charging less", I don't like, that's below the belt.

Definitely....Srini's ollarals need to be countered.  Drawing a parallel between ARR and RDB for spontaneity is ridiculous.  RD would wake up from his dreams with a tune.  And RD actually used to take on a lot of projects in the 70s, not just the God given share.  

crimson king wrote:I have to disagree respectfully. He says, "There's this Big Bang Moment. It either comes or it doesn't."  So he has clearly implied that there are times probably where nothing happens even in those 20-30 minutes.  And he has not even said what he does compose in those 20-30 minutes.  A full tune or just bits?  Even that big bag moment could be just a snatch of a pallavi (but which might excite him and he might work on it in future).  If people jump to overenthusiastic conclusions on it, I don't think that is Rahman's fault.  I mean that way in the case of so many IR statements that got twisted, the media's interpretation could be held to be correct.   However, things like God's share or "I don't grab work by charging less", I don't like, that's below the belt.

I agree. I have nothing against Rahman's statements myself (meaning forbes. That God's share needs to countered tooth and nail). It is what folks do with it (fan reactions, going "oh he takes 20 minutes to come up with a tune, what a spontaneous composer"), coupled with Sreeni's puRattu that causes debates. Now, I do feel I might be overreacting in a Raaja thread. Peace.

Photos on IR's recent photo exhibition:.

http://www.tamil.tamilcinema24.com/photo-Ilayarajas-Photo-Exhibition-Images-124647


http://www.indiatimes.com/entertainment/regional/not-enough-depth-in-digital-pictures-ilayaraja-124744.html

http://www.techrenu.net/naan-paarthapadi-isaignani-ilaiyaraaja-photography-exhibition_f0bf072f8.html

Saw somebody mentioning Eddie here earlier. Being a newbie, don't really know to 'quote' here. Just wanted to point out what happened last year.

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As plum already mentioned here, Eddie did have an agenda to promote the musicians. Well and good, but it cannot/shouldn't be done at the expense of the man himself. So calling him a 'card carrying Raja fan' seems to be a stretch to me.

ennayya karaichi oothirukkaane indha KR. nalla velai he is not my boss. naan seththae poiduven..
It also reinforces my point that people spreading prevarications in the name of improvisations on 
maestro's compositions are those who didnt get the compositions in the first place or raaja changing it 
to suit their level of skill. hmm.. if there was any truth - these folks would have gone public already and thanks
to them they have the facebooks of the world to give them refuge.

aiyyo Dr.Rajasekhar padam paathaapla irukku.if this is what Hard core IR fan is, I am double checking my creds as a HCIRF..
idhu yedho saamiyaadi kovathula pesuraapalaye irukke.

we had to watch it live and the comments were deleted immediately leaving only the 'luvv' based ones.   அடி சும்மா எகிறி எகிறி அடிச்சாப்ல.

mayilSK wrote:we had to watch it live and the comments were deleted immediately leaving only the 'luvv' based ones.   அடி சும்மா எகிறி எகிறி அடிச்சாப்ல.

some past blood for sure. illainna indha flowla varaadhu.

Felt like just banging my head against the wall and I only got up to the third.  If any of you guys ever meet Ilayaraja, please tell him about the nonsense written in there.  And if he also seconds this nonsense, I will be very disappointed.  It was he who called Viji Manuel the best pianist in the country that he knows.  It's been freaking taped, it's on youtube, is KR blind?

Even before London O2 show, IR himself had said that what he did with the musicians he had in the 80s, he would not be able to do today because they were so amazing and performed his music so quickly.  I hope people like Eddie would keep that in mind and not unleash anger over Ilayathaalam on the maestro.  But it can be very hard when...

of course, nobody denies either of what you mentioned. but Eddie did do a lot of theatrics over a month on his page before all this happened. ஒன்னியுஞ் சொல்றதுக்கில்ல.

Of that, I am not aware.  Eddie may have an agenda but, eh, calling the musicians incompetent and then expecting them (some of whom are also aging like Raja) to go around the world and perform is a bit much.  Some people skills is in order, ivalo petthikardhanaaladhan people start talking about thalaikannam.  I guess they have lot of respect for IR that they still performed - in his absence and under KR's baton - in Malaysia.

I mean, some of the things written there read more like script of Padayappa or Singham.  One man army (to destroy the world?), bwahahaha.

I agree with Crimson - it is clearly evident from all the stage shows we have seen recently where Raja's song have been played, that save for the Asianet orchestra only Raaja's own orchestra have some capability and insight into how to play those songs well. It has to be agreed that even there, hours of painstaking rehearsals are required.
Considering all these harsh words spoken by whoever that HCIRF is - is totally regrettable. The only person in this globe who has the right to make the kind of statement used is Raaja and Raaja alone. None of his goojas have any right or eligibility to speak in that manner.

God, where to begin. That page is a PR disaster. Did anyone pass it on to kAri or AmudhvaaLs? Oru varushathukku avanga blogga OttipAnga   . 

First, couple of questions:

-Is this really KR?
-What song are they talking about Re: out of phase guitars (or something like that) ? Is it Paruvame?

Thoughts:

- Ridiculing Viji or Sudhakar because they couldn't read/write sheet music is... well, ridiculous. Look, it is not our system. The approach is new to us, even more so at the time of IR's entry. I don't know if any MD prior to IR followed such a rigorous approach to composition. 

- Yes, we don't have a Madras symphony orchestra, but did we have a Madras music conservatory then? Did Ilayathalam expect an orchestra to fall from the sky to play for IR?

- Western orchestras or street musicians could have played better? Really? They would have been completely out of their depth playing anything other than western music. Also, those people rehearse for days and weeks for their performances - and IR's musicians were playing what? On an average - one new song and a reel of background score a day in the 80s? All new compositons, often challenging, to be rehearsed and recorded within a few hours. I would like to see an example of a symphony orchestra that recorded one new composition a day, every day, for close to 10 years. Does "he" even realize how taxing it would have been? And mind you, these people had a fraction of the training that their western counterparts received. I am more than happy with the result, thank you KR.

- Flute Sudhakar - Ok, I have seen him playing in that Manadhodu Mano program, and he was not nearly as impressive as Napolean - granted. But again, the problem is that we lack institutions to train musicians even in our traditional instruments and music. 

All in all, an utter mess, those rant(s) by KR.

of course. nothing to add, really. that was a disaster/rant really. something happened between two goojasனு எடுத்துக்கவேண்டிதான். as crimson mentioned, Raja respects his musicians and vice versa.

jaiganesh wrote:, that save for the Asianet orchestra only Raaja's own orchestra have some capability and insight into how to play those songs well. 

You clearly haven't seen super singer and the Stephen Devassy band  

Some of the most talented and influential musicians in the West could not read music. e.g. Hendrix. If KR holds sight reading as a pre requisite, he would lose the opportunity to work with many good musicians.

ok, let us switch gears
(Means, thread is going in "reverse gear"
Let's move away from the KR rants)

Lovely FB post by Mathimaran :
https://www.facebook.com/mathimaranv/posts/10201451983803605?stream_ref=10

(nanRi Nerd for posting this wonderful link on twitter)

Mathimaran wrote:
காட்சி ஆரம்பித்து 58 ஆவது நொடியில்தான் இசைஞானி தன் மந்திர வேலையை துவங்குகிறார்.

‘என்னை மனைவியா ஏத்துக்க நீங்க தயாரா இருக்கீங்களா?’ என்ற வசனம் முடிந்த நொடியில், இசை காதல் உணர்வோடு பொங்கி, வழிந்தோடுகிறது… பிறகு தொடர்ந்து.. குறைந்த ஒலியில் தவழ்கிறது.

‘உங்க பாட்டை கேட்கிற தகுதி மட்டும்தான் எனக்கிருக்கு.. உங்களையே கேக்குற அந்தஸ்து எனக்கில்லை’ என்று ரஜினி சொன்ன உடன் ஒரு ஒற்றை வயலின் ‘அய்யோ என்ன இப்படி சொல்ற..?’ என்பது போன்று இசையை மேலழுப்பி மெல்ல வசனத்திற்கு பின் நகர்கிறது.

‘மன்னிச்சிகுங்க..’ என்றவுடன் வசனத்திற்குப் பின் மெல்ல தவழ்ந்து கொண்டிருந்த அந்த வயலின், மேலேழுந்து அடுத்து வருகிற கீபோர்டு இசை எழுப்புகிற உணர்விடம் கைமாத்தி செல்கிறது.

தன்னை பற்றிய தவறான மதிப்பீடுதான் நீங்கள் மறுப்பதற்குக் காரணம் என்று ஸ்ரீதேவி விளக்கம் கொடுக்கும்போது; மெல்ல ஒலித்துக் கொண்டிருக்கும் இசை, அடுத்து அந்த விளக்கத்தால் ரஜினி ஆகப்போகிற எமோஷ்னலை முன்னதாக அறிவிக்கிறது, குறைந்த இடைவெளியில் மேலேழுந்து ஒலிக்கிற அந்த இசை.

‘நிச்சயமா நான் உங்கள மனைவியா ஏத்துக்க தயாரா இருக்கேன்..’ என்றவுடன், அதே இசைக்குறிப்புகள்தான், என்ன மாயம் அப்படியே மகிழ்ச்சியாக மாறிவிடுகிறது.

‘நான் அப்படித்தான் பேசுவேன்.’ என்று ஸ்ரீதேவி கொஞ்சலாக உரிமையோடு சொன்னவுடன் இப்போதும் அதே இசை, ஆனால் பியானோவில்…

அந்த மந்திரவாதி தன் இசையால் நம்மை வசமாக்குகிறான். அவர்களின் காதலை அவன் தன் பியானோவிலும் வயலினிலும் கித்தாரிலும் புல்லாங்குழலிலும் கொண்டாடி மகிழ்கிறான்.

உலகின் மிக உன்னதமான இசை உருவாகிறது.

indha link parthadhum. (epodhum manasil irukum Asai dhan..)

Sadha Sir..  Solo vaga.. oru Show seiyanam..

Magic Hands.. enna oru Inimai.......... Great Soul...............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9SkMi_4Xfo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUhGBChMHa6cJdF43KpfSPmw

BRangan's latest attack(?) on rAsA

The first scene of Vikraman's Ninaithadhu Yaaro — the title comes from the Ilayaraja hit from Paattukku Oru Thalaivan, which plays intermittently in the form of a ring tone — is enough to make you want to give up on the movie.

He possibly meant only the repeat of the scene but it sounds like there's a sly attack on the associated rAsA song...

app_engine wrote: BRangan's latest attack(?) on rAsA

The first scene of Vikraman's Ninaithadhu Yaaro — the title comes from the Ilayaraja hit from Paattukku Oru Thalaivan, which plays intermittently in the form of a ring tone — is enough to make you want to give up on the movie.

He possibly meant only the repeat of the scene but it sounds like there's a sly attack on the associated rAsA song...

Umm, He has padhivu senjufied his apparent unhappiness at filmmakers overdoing their IR tributes at the drop of a hat. I don't know if it is right to read into that but this is only a manifestation of that.