Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Fellow forum-er kaarigan's latest blog post, tearing apart rAsA of late 80's & 90's 

இந்தப் பதிவில் நான் இளையராஜாவின்  இசையின்  மீது சில கடுமையான குற்றச்சாட்டுக்களை வைத்திருப்பதால் அவரின் தீவிர  ரசிகர்கள் இதைத் தவிர்ப்பது நலம்.படித்துவிட்டு விவாதம் புரிய விரும்பினால் அதை வரவேற்கும் அதே வேளையில்  அவை  அநாகரீகமாக இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் அவை பிரசுரிக்கப்படாது என்றுணர்க.

Interesting to see some "uL katchi poosal" (bat not accepting rAsA as the initiator of "AbAsam").

Also, another commenter talks about virasam / AbAsam stuff prior to rAsA.

Reminds me. Kindly lock the thread he started since there seems to be no further activity there.

Drunkenmunk wrote: there seems to be no further activity there.

Why beat a dead snake?


Pointless discussions are better left alone, as they'll eventually die (rather than jump to intervene and kill - why unnecessarily give some undeserved ones martyrdom).

OTOH, ones that belong elsewhere (means irrelevant) may need poottu.

Obviously, obscene ones will even need deleting 

app,

 idhu epadi iruku theriyuma..

kadavul ilai nu solravanga dhan nammalai vida kadavualai romba nenaikaranga. adha pola

indha madhirii Fans dhan.. IR songs ai nammai vida romba kaetu irukanga. kaekaranga....... ...

blog padichen......

UshakkA

If you've visited the oneindia page today on mEghA success (link I posted in the mEghA thread), you'll notice that most of the people who comment on that page are people who are interested in throwing mud at rAsA (Please don't care about reading such rubbish comments, some are obscene)

Other than few forumer's like me who habitually post such links, most IRFs don't even care about such articles or such commenters 

eppavumE edhir katchikku nammai vida kavalai adhigam

app_engine wrote:Fellow forum-er kaarigan's latest blog post, tearing apart rAsA of late 80's & 90's 

இந்தப் பதிவில் நான் இளையராஜாவின்  இசையின்  மீது சில கடுமையான குற்றச்சாட்டுக்களை வைத்திருப்பதால் அவரின் தீவிர  ரசிகர்கள் இதைத் தவிர்ப்பது நலம்.படித்துவிட்டு விவாதம் புரிய விரும்பினால் அதை வரவேற்கும் அதே வேளையில்  அவை  அநாகரீகமாக இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் அவை பிரசுரிக்கப்படாது என்றுணர்க.

Interesting to see some "uL katchi poosal" (bat not accepting rAsA as the initiator of "AbAsam").

Also, another commenter talks about virasam / AbAsam stuff prior to rAsA.

Agamotham, to summarize in two sentences, Nila kaayudhu has led to moral degradation of society besides causing him mental distress, childhood trauma and post traumatic stress disorder. The road to recovery started in 1992 and is ongoing.

app_engine wrote:Fellow forum-er kaarigan's latest blog post, tearing apart rAsA of late 80's & 90's 

இந்தப் பதிவில் நான் இளையராஜாவின்  இசையின்  மீது சில கடுமையான குற்றச்சாட்டுக்களை வைத்திருப்பதால் அவரின் தீவிர  ரசிகர்கள் இதைத் தவிர்ப்பது நலம்.படித்துவிட்டு விவாதம் புரிய விரும்பினால் அதை வரவேற்கும் அதே வேளையில்  அவை  அநாகரீகமாக இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் அவை பிரசுரிக்கப்படாது என்றுணர்க.

Interesting to see some "uL katchi poosal" (bat not accepting rAsA as the initiator of "AbAsam").

Also, another commenter talks about virasam / AbAsam stuff prior to rAsA.

Before an horror/gruesome movie is screened, a message will be displayed
''elderly people, pregnant women, children, people with heart ailments should change the channel/avoid the screening'' 

This what first came to my mind upon reading the lines. I read the blog too, 'pppaaa! 

Vittaa,,naatle nadakkera kolai, kollai, vazhippari, kaikalappu, kalakalappu ellathukkum karanam IR thaan nnu solvange pola!

fring151 & D22_Malar

Nice to see that young people like you find it humorous

Like UshakkA said, at times anti-IR group worry more about rAsA songs than us

For e.g., nobody in TN (not even HCIRF's) cared about that 'AbAsa' song in poottAdha poottukkaL but this fellow nitpicks it. Extremely funny!

Further fun is provided by this 'marumagaL udaiththAl pon kudam' (or 'vENdAdha poNdAtti kAl pattA kuththam, kai pattA kuththam') mentality in highlighting 'AththAdi pAvAda'.

I have recently made fun of the 'poovilangu' songs in the VM thread - All written by him. Even in the only (somewhat) decent song 'pOttEnE poovilangu', VM shocks us in the first line of first saraNam.

Now, the same mouth that scolds IR for dropping VM that led to poetic seerazhivu, also scolds IR for poovilangu song  

Can IR be the bad guy for BOTH singing VM's song and not using VM?

whAtta logic!

app_engine wrote:fring151 & D22_Malar

Nice to see that young people like you find it humorous

Like UshakkA said, at times anti-IR group worry more about rAsA songs than us

For e.g., nobody in TN (not even HCIRF's) cared about that 'AbAsa' song in poottAdha poottukkaL but this fellow nitpicks it. Extremely funny!

Further fun is provided by this 'marumagaL udaiththAl pon kudam' (or 'vENdAdha poNdAtti kAl pattA kuththam, kai pattA kuththam') mentality in highlighting 'AththAdi pAvAda'.

I have recently made fun of the 'poovilangu' songs in the VM thread - All written by him. Even in the only (somewhat) decent song 'pOttEnE poovilangu', VM shocks us in the first line of first saraNam.

Now, the same mouth that scolds IR for dropping VM that led to poetic seerazhivu, also scolds IR for poovilangu song  

Can IR be the bad guy for BOTH singing VM's song and not using VM?

whAtta logic!

Hahaha. The logic in the entire essay is fabulous. Funnier still is the feigned attempt to come across as neutral. I hope he writes more. His and his friend's essays capture the essence of the most absurd criticisms leveled at Raja.

I sincerely doubt if most IR fans ever listen to his tracks for the lyrics - there may be some, who transitioned from the MSV-Kannadasan-Vaali era to IR's music, that had expectations in the lyrics department.

But for most in the 1980s, lyrics hardly had any impact / value - it was the music, the melodic structure, the orchestration and its nuances and the overall feel of the music and creativity as a whole that got us hooked to his compositions - if the lyrics were good, then that was a bonus!

I agree with you partially that we have learned to ignore the lyrics and focus on music alone. At the same time we should give credit to Vairamuthu & Gangai Amaran for writing few (very few!) songs which made people sit up and take notice.  Often IR's music makes you pay attention to the words and elevates  ordinary lyrics to a higher level. Mukilo Meghamo is one such example. Songs in nandhalala (particularly Onnukkonnu) also come to mind. If you were to read the lyrics of Kanne Kalaimane or Onnukkonnu on paper it would hardly make any impression on you. In IR's hands these words are transformed to poetry. 

Gokul.

Semmangudi on IR's music via Mayil Senthil, Musicmafia and Rozavasanth from twitter. Says something we've been clamoring from roof tops for ages. Music > Saahityam (Lyrics) in the musical world. "idha sollaama sollaNum, vedukku vedukku nu sonnA nannA irukkAdhu" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMa5jukjfR4

app_engine wrote:Fellow forum-er kaarigan's latest blog post, tearing apart rAsA of late 80's & 90's 

இந்தப் பதிவில் நான் இளையராஜாவின்  இசையின்  மீது சில கடுமையான குற்றச்சாட்டுக்களை வைத்திருப்பதால் அவரின் தீவிர  ரசிகர்கள் இதைத் தவிர்ப்பது நலம்.படித்துவிட்டு விவாதம் புரிய விரும்பினால் அதை வரவேற்கும் அதே வேளையில்  அவை  அநாகரீகமாக இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் அவை பிரசுரிக்கப்படாது என்றுணர்க.

Interesting to see some "uL katchi poosal" (bat not accepting rAsA as the initiator of "AbAsam").

Also, another commenter talks about virasam / AbAsam stuff prior to rAsA.

He has lots of time to kill, but does not have the earnestness to learn any music and improve himself.
I feel sorry for his ignorance and pathetic attempt to elevate himself by criticizing somebody/something on which he has zero clue. My goodness..

Either for "representation's sake" or genuine one cannot say, but Asha B picks one IR song and one ARR song for her "all-time-great-Hindi-songs" play list :
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Brunch/Brunch-Stories/The-great-Bollywood-playlist/Article1-1115523.aspx

15. Ae babua, yeh mahua (Sadma, 1983). Music: Ilayaraja. Lyrics: Gulzar
"I've always enjoyed singing for Ilayaraja for his unusual rhythm pattern. I didn't realise this would turn into such a sensual song. It's picturised with Kamal Haasan and Silk Smitha. It's just Wow!"

I guess it's the Hindi equivalent of 'ponmEni urugudhE'. I've possibly heard only once (not the whole song, only a portion before tossing it) - nothing compared to SJ original!

I'm surprised Sunidhi Chauhan also picks the same song!
  

Look at this link:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Brunch/Brunch-Stories/The-best-bollywood-songs-of-all-time-part-I/Article1-1115535.aspx

the singer of mudhal muRai of NEPV wrote:
8. Ae babua yeh mahua mehkaane laga hai (Sadma, 1985). Singer: Asha Bhosle. Music: Ilayaraja. Lyrics: Gulzar
"It's a beautiful composition by Ilayaraja and Ashaji takes you by surprise. The way she has controlled her voice in singing this number, it makes you really like the character."

Also, see what Anu Malik has to say about another IR number from Sadma:

10. Aye zindagi gale laga le (Sadma, 1983). Singer: Suresh Wadkar. Music: Ilayaraja. Lyrics: Gulzar
"It has melody. The mukhda is beautifully written and the beats that accompany the antara are something I've not heard before."

That way, the mag picks sadma songs among the 300 or so all-time-great-Hindi-songs of 100 years

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Brunch/Brunch-Stories/The-Ultimate-Brunch-Bollywood-Playlist-Part-2/Article1-1115510.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uolLAl6gnXk

app_engine wrote:That way, the mag picks sadma songs among the 300 or so all-time-great-Hindi-songs of 100 years

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Brunch/Brunch-Stories/The-Ultimate-Brunch-Bollywood-Playlist-Part-2/Article1-1115510.aspx

Mudhal Mariyaadhai dialok dhaan. Pasikaama saapadrappavE ivvalo rusiya irukkE. pasichu saapta evvalo rusiya irukkum? Original'a kEkkAma lesser version'e top 300 of all time in 100 yrs ku pOvudhE. Original with 80s prolificity'a konjam thirumbi pArthA enna aagum?

app,

That is quite surprising, given that Raja has scored for very less Hindi films.

What I am more surprised is with Raja's stature in Malayalam. It shows the musical taste of Malayalees is unparalleled. If you take the films of 80s and early 90s, which was sort of peak period for Malayalam cult films, Raja's involvement was very less. He was never part of the Hariharan-MTV team, which went with Bombay Ravi. He was not part of Bharathan's team. Nor was he part of Sibi Malayil - Lohita Das team of the 90s. The only exception was Padmarajan with whom he did 'Moonam Pakkam' and 'Season'. If you take the cult movies of 80s like 'Takara', 'Perumthachan', 'Vadakkan Veera Gatha' and many more, you will not see Raja in them. Similarly, the best of Sathyan Anthikad did not have Raja in it. By the time Sathyan came to Raja, he had moved away from Sreenivasan and people swear that the movies that Sathyan made earlier were much better. Ofcourse the 90s of Sibi Malayil - Lohita Das did not have Raja. Infact Fazil also for many of his movies used a different MD in Malayalam and came to Raja when the movie was made in Tamil. 

Given this background, it is surprising that Raja is held in such high esteem throughout Kerala, both by the common man and by the connoisseurs.

Raaga_Suresh wrote:
Given this background, it is surprising that Raja is held in such high esteem throughout Kerala, both by the common man and by the connoisseurs.

Great point Sureshji!

And it requires some musing...let me divert this topic to the IR & MFM thread

I didn't read the full list.  Does it at least have Ae Zindagi from among the Sadma songs?  That IS a Hindi original and a brilliant one at that.

rAsA reference in thanga meengaL review

பாடல்களில் ஆன்மாவை இசைத்துக் காட்டும் யுவன் பின்னணி இசையில் காட்சிகளுக்கு இணையாகவே இசைக்கிறார் என்று தோன்றுகிறது. ஆனால் காட்சிகளுக்கு எதிராகவோ, கிளையாகவோ, விமரிசனமாகவோ ஏன் மௌனமாகவோ அந்த இசை வந்திருக்கலாமோ என்று ஒரு தோழர் சொன்னார். இந்தப் படம் அதிகமும் பின்னணி இசை கோராத படம் என்பதால் அதை புரிந்து கொண்ட இளையராஜா தேவைப்பட்டிருப்பாரோ என்றும் ஒரு கருத்து உண்டு. ஆயினும் ஆனந்த யாழில் யுவன் சங்கர் ராஜா தந்தையைப் போலவோ இல்லை விஞ்சியோ பாய்கிறார் என்று மனந்திறந்து பாராட்டலாம்.

Listened to 'Anandha yAzhai' - songs of such minimal orch needs fantastic singer to support
(romba pAvamA irukku kEkka)

IMHO, it's a composition for rAsA to sing

ARR talks about IR!

http://movies.ndtv.com/music/a-r-rahman-on-the-secret-of-his-success-highlights-416526

"I think Ilayairaaja is immensely talented. He is a genius, and to go through that journey of life, to progress and to shine like that, is a gift from God. He comes from a village, he picked up English, he picked up Western music."

Also regarding IR not having gotten international acclaim, his pointers are interesting. He says great music gets discovered in 20 yrs, 30 yrs, 50 yrs or 200 yrs but it gets discovered and he feels IR's music would eventually be discovered outside Tamil (to be honest, South'ndra vaarthai edhirpaarthEn but he shares our view and hey, that's great) because it has no boundaries and that he's a great 

Full interview here: http://t.co/lp1JlD6ijo

Blog post on the Jayakanthan documentary produced by rAsA

இந்தப் படத்தை தயாரித்தவர் இசையமைப்பாளர் இளையராஜா.வெளி வந்த ஆண்டு 2008.
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முடிவில் ரவிசுப்பிரமணியன் பேசினார் “இந்தப் படம் இரண்டு முறை நின்று விட்டது.காரணம் ஜெயகாந்தன் சொல்லிய கருத்துக்களும்.அவர் காட்டிய ஆவேசமும்தான்.அப்புறம் இளையராஜா என்னைக் கூப்பிட்டு சமரசம் செய்து எடுக்கச் சொன்னார்.ஜெயகாந்தன் அப்படித்தான்.அவர் யாருக்காகவும் அவர் கருத்தை மாற்றிக் கொண்டதில்லை.சமரசமே இல்லாதவர் அவர்.இங்கு சிலர் ஜெயகாந்தன் மேல் கோபமாக பேசினார்கள்.ஆவணப்படம் என்பது ஒரு கோட்டுச்சித்திரம்.அதன் மேல் ஒவியத்தை நீங்கள் வரைந்து கொள்ளுங்கள் நீங்கள் புரிந்து கொண்டபடி.

ஜெயகாந்தனிடம் மரணம் உங்களை நெருங்கினால் அதாவது தெருமுனையில் வந்து நின்றால் என்ன செய்வீர்கள் என்றேன்.அதற்கு அவர் கூறிய ஆவேசப் பதிலை படத்தில் வைத்திருந்தேன்.அப்புறம் அதைத்தூக்கிவிட்டேன்.இளையராஜா ஏன் என்று கேட்டார்.”இப்போதே ஜெயகாந்தன் உடல்நிலை சரியில்லை.அதனால் அதை வைக்க விரும்பவில்லை” என்றேன்.இளையராஜாவும் அதை ஏற்ற்குக்கொண்டார்.

(p.s. Ravi Subramaniam is the director of this documentary)