ராசா பாட்டுக்கு ரெண்டு அடி கொடுப்போம்

Another just-for-fun series.

Some guidelines for this thread :

1. There has to be a couplet written about one IR song. (Thamizh / English / any language will do)

2. It must briefly describe some aspect of the song.

3. There must be RHYME (edhugai / mOnai / thodai)

4. It need not be வெண்பா (or following any other grammar). Just from the heart - i.e., "என் பா"

I'll start with a couple of posts today.

ரா.பா.2.அடி
#1

தாசேட்டன் குரலுக்கு வயசாகிப் போனாலும்
பேசேட்டன் என்றும் இளசு

Song : kaiyeththA kombaththu (KJY version, vinOdha yAthra)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh1jTiHm71A


BTW, பேசேட்டன் should be understood as either "bass" or "base"

(Rough translation of the couplet : "Though dAsettan's voice got old, the base / bass is ever young."
The song shows strains in KJY's voice but bass guitar is superb. Also, KJY's voice is always supreme in bass frequencies. In addition, the "base" or the foundation of the song, IR's music, is always young).

ரா.பா.2.அடி
#2
கடத்தையோ குடத்தையோ அல்ல தட்டியது
இடத்தை நெஞ்சுள் புகுந்து

Song : swapnangaL kaNNezhudhiya (KSC / Rahul duet, bhAgya dEvathA)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS6a-0oYxOA


(Rough translation - He didn't strike "ghatam" or kudam i.e. the musical instrument made of mud pot - but idam, i.e. place, deep inside my heart

The song ends with some ghatam sounds but who cares about that sound as one is already touched deep inside the heart by the song

ரா.பா.2.அடி

#3
ஆதித்திறன் நிறையவே மீதியுண்டெனக் கவுதம்வழி
ஊதிஊதிக் கொட்டிய பாட்டு

Song: kAtRaikkonjam niRkachchonnEn (Karthik solo with NSK Ramya humming)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgP3madXGU4


(Rough translation : Thru Gautham this song blown wind instruments / trumpeted that there's still abundance of that original talent)

No additional explanation needed

ரா.பா.2அடி 

#4
பழைய ஆளுக்கு வரலேன்னாப் பரவால்ல 
இளைய பாலுக்குக் கொடு 

Song : ennOdu pAdungaL (TMS version got rejected and IR got it recorded again with SPB)

TMS version, somebody from studio uploaded it to the web and I've never known it before (not in movie or audio, never played in radio - even though another song from that movie by TMS is an evergreen super hit - endhan ponvaNNamE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSHQCRYkL28


Here is the freshened up SPB version that made it to the disk and movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWgC1FFoZEI


(Rough translation of the couplet : "If the old singer cannot deliver goods, no problem - give it to the young Balu)

ரா.பா.2அடி

#5
திரைக்கவிஞன் அறிவியல் ஆசானின் பந்து
குறையாய்ப் பிறந்திட்ட சிந்து

Song : eeramAna rOjAvE (iLamaikkAlangaL, KJY-BSS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW5GOEM-R2g


Rough Translation : Science teacher tries his hand writing cinema poem but his ball was not on target, resulted in a premature - or defective - baby

I've posted earlier about this song in the hub - among a failed-romance pathos, suddenly the floating principle is floated - "ball with air won't sink, so please sing with me" it seems, for rhyme's sake

Well, I've used the same rhyme in this couplet

Another beautiful series!!!! Enjoying this - not talented enough to contribute though!

app_engine wrote:ரா.பா.2.அடி

#3
ஆதித்திறன் நிறையவே மீதியுண்டெனக் கவுதம்வழி
ஊதிஊதிக் கொட்டிய பாட்டு

A small variant which sounds better (on second thoughts) :

ஆதித்திறன் மீதி நிறையவெனக் கவுதம்வழி
ஊதிஊதிக் காட்டிய பாட்டு

panniapurathar wrote:Another beautiful series!!!! Enjoying this - not talented enough to contribute though!

டீ ராசேந்தர் பேச்சுக்கள் ஒன்னு ரெண்டு கேளுங்க - சும்மா பிச்சுக்கிட்டு வந்து கொட்டும்

ரா.பா.2அடி

#6
அடித்தொண்டைப் பெண்குரலும் அடிநொறுக்கும் மேளக்"கை"யும்
மடியிருத்திக் கொண்டாட வேண்டும்

Song : mudhal muRai pArththa gnAbagam (NEPV, the rum song )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZxVjhCuJMU



Translation : The low frequency female voice and the crashing drummer's hands - WOW, we need to embrace and celebrate them!

There can be another variation of this couplet, replacing the "அடித்தொண்டைப் பெண்குரலும்" with "அடிச்சுரத்தில் தந்திக்கீச்சும்", thus celebrating the extraordinary double bass / cello sounds as well!

One of the greatest songs of IR!

I don't think I need to explain the poem in this case too (written a lot already about it).

Just got reminded of P_R sir (@dagalti) not agreeing to my "Saroj Narayan Swamy" comment on Sunithi's voice in this song

ரா.பா.2அடி

#7

கட்டைக்குரல் வயசு கிட்டத்தட்ட எழுபதாயினும்
பெட்டையின் குரலோடு சேட்டை

Song : vAnam mellakkeezhiRangi (NEPV)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBjUlQQADPo


Rough translation : Though the age of the rough / rustic voice is close to 70, it still matches and plays with the young female voice

IR was 69 I think when NEPV got released (2012) - which is why the "almost 70" reference

I guess those who can read Thamizh can appreciate the rhyme that uses a lot vallinam and still manages to match the song!

ரா.பா.2அடி

#8

இரண்டாம் இடையிசையில் கரண்டில் கைவைத்தபோல்
மிரண்டு போனதிவ் வுலகு

Song : sAyndhu sAyndhu (NEPV)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EProGz3GsNg


Rough translation : When the world heard the 2nd interlude of this song, it got such a shock (astounded) that it touched a live wire.

Note I've used the colloquial word "current" (electricity) in this - purists may not like it but as I told before, no grammar here

What's more important is rhyme rhyme sir

கரண்டு பிடிக்காதவர்களுக்கு ஒரு "சல்லிக்கட்டு" வெர்சன்:

அரண்ட மாட்டினைப்போல் இரண்டு இடையிசையில்
மிரண்டு போனதிவ் வுலகு :-)

இன்னும் வெருண்டு, மருண்டு , உருண்டு, புரண்டு, வறண்டு என்று சொற்களுக்குப் பஞ்சமில்லை. கொஞ்சம் லைட்-டா இருக்கணும்னு தான்!

"இரண்டாம் இடையிசை" குறித்த கருத்து இந்தப்பாட்டுக்கு மட்டுமல்ல, நூற்றுக்கணக்கான ராசா பாடல்களுக்குப் பொருந்தத்தக்கது தான்!

அவ்வப்போது தோன்றுவதை இப்படி ஆவணப்படுத்துவோம்!

ரா.பா.2அடி

#9
செவ்வியலில் தொடங்கிப் புத்தியலாய் வளர்ப்பார்
எவ்வியலும் ஆளும் இவர்

A small variant of the above can be like this:
(focus is on the music rather than the Maestro in this couplet)
செவ்வியலில் தொடங்கிப் புத்தியலாய் வளரும்
எவ்வுலகும் ஆளும் இசை

BTW, there's another serious version too for this song (after the episode that happened this evening in the Sams Club gas station, please read below )
நம்மை அழைத்திடாப் பண்வேந்தன் மண்மீது
செம்மைப் புகழோடு வாழ்க!

Song : ennOdu vA vA enRu (NEPV)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCGBu6ubU-o


Translations of the three versions can be as below :

#1 : He starts with classical but grows it into modern - well, he rules over every kind of music anyways!

#2 : The music that starts classical but later transforms into modern can actually rule over EVERY part of world!

#3 : The king of melody who DOES NOT invite us in this song - long live on the earth with great fame!

I don't think I need to connect these couplets with the song (as these are pretty obvious). However, I need to briefly narrate what happened this evening in the Sams club gas station at Indianapolis

After getting some urgent needs (water / paper towels etc) from Sams club (the wholesale store chain of Walmart), I suddenly realized that gas (petrol) needs to be filled in the van as I have a 250 mile drive tomorrow...so stopped at the pump, with this song playing in repeat mode.

Seeing that the there had been almost 20 cars in the lines for pumps, my mind played the trick of increasing the volume quite a lot / rolling down the windows while I started filling the gas

The white lady (grandmA of course) filling next to me was blown away / terribly impressed by the music that came from the minivan and started a conversation with me

She : Oh, that music is excellent - is it middle eastern? I  simply love it!

Me : Thank you, but it is not mid-eastern but INDIAN - specifically, SOUTH INDIAN!

She : Oh, is it - it is very impressive and sweet!

Me : Yes it is, the score is by my favorite composer who had done more than 5000 original songs and did the BGM / OST for more than 1000 movies!

She : AhA - that is unbelievable, what is his name?

Me (so proudly) - His name is ILAYARAJA - not that much known in the western pop world, but very respected in western classical world. In fact, this particular number was recorded with a symphony orchestra in London and he often writes scores for symphony orchestras around the world!

She : WOW - never heard of such talent!

Well, that conversation made my evening (appropriately celebrated with a couple of ICE-COLD-YOU-KNOW-WHAT-THIS-SONG-IS-ASSOCIATED-WITH )

You could write couplets?!  Wow!  Good reads, keep them coming.

BC wrote:You could write couplets?

Just a permutation / combination of known words Mostly template driven and NOT with great imagination or creative stuff  
(Couplets in this thread are following some thirukkuRaL templates - and you're probably aware of the fact that I'm still studying thirukkuRaL and posting my observations in another section of the forum
Part 1 : https://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t118-948
Part 2:  https://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t288-1262 )

The next two couplets that I'll be posting today are following Valluvar's template found in the kuRaL #1081
https://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t288p125-1262#24638

Those two songs are 'ponvAnam panneer thoovudhu' and 'EdhO mOgam - vanakkiLiyE'...and it is going to be a very long post

When starting my 270 mile drive last night, I knew it's not going to be a very pleasant one - it was really cold & one can expect icy roads (even though freeways were plowed and salted after the snow storm, the shoulders aren't clean and some curves had a lot of ice "encroachments").



Well, it was 0 degree F when I started and some segments of travel had negative, lowest was -7F, but with very few vehicles on the road, I could drive without any hindrance to my music listening - and that is the most important part of any ride nowadays!

The two songs mentioned in the previous post took up most of the 3+ hours, on repeat mode as I got too much immersed in them - despite being very familiar with 1000's of listens prior!

First it was 'ponvAnam panneer thoovudhu' and I don't need to get into the greatness of this song - written / discussed umpteen times, including the recent one in 'misra chApu' thread. So, let me get into the "2 adi" rightaway:

ரா.பா.2அடி

#10
ஏழிசையின் பேரழகி சானகியோ ஏழடியோ
மூழ்கியபின் யாதறிவார் தாக்கு

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwHkGj2KkFA


Rough translation :
When drowned (in the ocean of music), how can one know what weapon hit them - if it were the most beautiful girl of seven notes (i.e. music) or the seven beat cycle (thakita-thakadhimi misra nadai)!

Without dwelling much on the song itself (no explanation needed anyways), I'm just very proud of giving my most favorite female singer a sweet title "ஏழிசையின் பேரழகி" - yes, SJ is the most "beautiful" in the world of singing without any question!

After 30 minutes or so of that song's repeat, I switched to random mode and listened to a few, even skipping some until the killer song started playing (and it continues to play for another day on the vaNdi).

The magnum opus vanakkiLiyE song!

Now, let me get into my thought process of "couplet building" for this song  My mind was still in the same Thiruvalluvar template and the very moment the song started playing I finalized the second line - almost instantaneously :

"பாலும் பர்மனும் வியந்து" (Both Paul Mauriat and Burman got stunned)

There cannot be a better second line, per my pea sized brain!

It was just a matter of permutation / combination of words then, to build the first line - in line with the தகையணங்குறுத்தல் jollu template

ரா.பா.2அடி

#11
தெம்மாங்கோ கருவிகளோ ஒத்திசைவோ அயர்ந்திட்டார்
பாலும் பர்மனும் வியந்து

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX3m9XC7ZWA


Translation:
Was it the themmAngu (folk melody) or the orchestration or the harmony / counterpoints - Paul and Burman got shocked, amazed and astonished!

The song has simply too many specialities - however, on this occasion my mind was running around the great appreciation IR got from PM & RDB. He went on to talk about it in interviews / articles etc. those days - which is a rarity. (I don't think he talks about those two individuals much nowadays - I would love some college girls to ask him about them in the next opportunity - or some media guys. If at all i get a chance to meet him, I would ask him about PM without question).

Now, my thoughts during the drive were not just about IR giving a lot of importance to their comments (it goes without saying that he got inspired by both those people - at the minimum in his early days and had great regards for them), but more on "why those two greats thought much about this particular number / album" business!

A quick note on those who don't know the background :
- IR always appreciated RDB (possibly considered him a close friend, even a mAnaseega guru) and used to send his recordings to him (even before they are out in the market). When kOzhi koovudhu was given to RDB, he was so impressed and reportedly made this remark " IR, you are a decade ahead of all of us"!

-Likewise IR had great regards for PM and when he visited Europe in 80's he wanted to meet him. It was not easy to get his appointment and IR gave a cassette as his visiting card - that had this song and some HTNI tracks. PM got so  impressed that he spent hours talking to IR!

Now, after putting that "பாலும் பர்மனும் வியந்து" in my couplet, I was wondering what hit them!

Well, the song is obviously a powerhouse - with all those terrific WCM elements (strings/ harmony / vocal harmony specials / possible counterpoints / amazing melody etc.). However, I honestly don't think those were the ones that hit RDB / PM!  

Why?

Well, they would have definitely liked / loved / appreciated those things but such things they've heard a lot more in their musical lives before. At the maximum, they'll be surprised that some simple country person from a remote village in India could do what well-trained-WCM composers can do...but that in itself couldn't make them "impressed" with this particular piece. (For an analogy, if I export a Simla apple to someone in Seattle, he'll be surprised that there're tasty apples elsewhere in the world but won't be stunned about it - after all he had seen apples all his life - variety of colors / flavors / tastes - possibly even better than the Simla one).

Such great orchestrators as RDB / PM could have at the max "approved" IR of meeting world-class-WCM standards (could have even wondered how this guy had mastered Bach / Mozart effortlessly). Not a cause for awe IMHO!

So, what really got them? This is where I need to bring in the reference of a totally unconnected (though idiotic) character The lyricist of the movie 96 whose recent interviews I happened to hear / watch on twitter. Without getting into much of that fellow's nonsense, let me just get to the point - he dismissed "kuthu" as waste (also said he doesn't care for IR / does not want to write for him etc which is unrelated to this post).

In this 'EdhO mOgam', IMHO, that is the part - the themmAngu (or "kuththu" in Chennaiwala terminology) that shocked RDB & PM - that such an unknown music form can so nicely be amalgamated with WCM! That is precisely the greatness of IR that those two talents could not help but getting awestruck! (BTW, if someone does not agree with me that vanakkiLiyE is a themmangu, I would request them to listen again - paying attention to the country-drum style arrangement, the melody itself - especially the saraNam portions. If anyone doubts the Indian folk heritage of this song, let them please pay attention to the santoor-flute duet in the second interlude and then conclude).

I guess I've talked enough - actually I was musing for a couple of hours on this topic - when the song was playing on repeat! From time to time I got to appreciate my fav SJ - why even Krishachandar. BTW, per my latest opinion, in this song it wasn't KC the worst - it was VM the worsttu )

For the next song, let me give the couplet and only a clue ... let people guess the song
(I'll post the song after a day or two)!

#ரா.பா.2அடி

#12

இறக்குமுன் கேளென்றார் இறவாத இப்பாடல் 
மறந்தார்க்குத் தலையில் குட்டு

For identifying the song, let me give two clues (should be pretty easy to catch)

1. mayyam.com thread
2. @jvazhkudai

Let us see how many catch it

mayyam.com link ... enaku work agalaiyae app....

unga inrterview.. Ilaiyaraja app. adhil naan ilai.. adhaiyum kaetka mudiyavillaiyae...

Usha wrote:mayyam.com link ... enaku work agalaiyae app....

unga inrterview.. Ilaiyaraja app. adhil naan ilai.. adhaiyum kaetka mudiyavillaiyae...

I have not given mayyam link It is only clue (that a mayyam thread started with this song).

app sir, kindly give clues so newbies to this forum (like me) could understand.  But I'll try my best to "solve" it.  I remember some Tfm pages. But mayyam is somewhere I've never been to.  

My first guess was "Aaraariro paadiyathaaro" but since your couplet involves "குட்டு ", I'd think it is "Kanne kalaimaane".  

I don't want to embarrass myself with anymore guesses.

BC wrote:app sir, kindly give clues so newbies to this forum (like me) could understand.  But I'll try my best to "solve" it.  I remember some Tfm pages. But mayyam is somewhere I've never been to.  

mayyam.com/talk is the same as tfmpage.com - updated user interface, that's all.

Well, let me expand my earlier clue - @jvazhkudai is (or was) the twitter handle of our fellow forumer Jaiganesh, who was also very active at mayyam.com/talk (tfmpage.com)

He opened a thread in the "Current Topics" section of the TFM area in that website years ago, with this song

Now, you may be able to catch easily - especially with the first two words of the couplet.

ஓகே, யாரும் கண்டுபிடிச்சதாகவோ அல்லது அதுக்காக மெனக்கெட்டதாகவோ தெரியல.

பரவால்ல.

நம்மளே சொல்லீருவோம். (அந்த செயகணேசும் ஆளைக்காணோம்)

Here is the link to the post of Jaiganesh on the hub / mayyam.com

http://www.mayyam.com/talk/showthread.php?8718-1000-songs-to-hear-before-you-die&p=558409&viewfull=1#post558409

jaiGanes wrote:
1000 songs to hear before you die.

poonthaLir aada...

It struck me in the end of the second interlude. If there is one song to bear all the Ilaiyaraaja stamps of his 80s phase - it has to be this one.
prelude with a catchy counterpoints and harmony - Check
chorus doing a counterpoint and singing out a melody that is heavenly - Check
majestic violins with sections playing different melody - Check.
Ok - lets do the same with vocal counterpoints from lead singers - Check.
Rakshasa singers SPB adn SJ - having their saamrajyam in the song - Check.
Some electronica and different melody for the interludes - Check.
Lets pause the entire thing for a while and create an effect - check.
some awesome lyrics - check.

Only thing missing is a single carnatic violin and an aaalaap by raaja or TVG.
I think everything else is almost covered. 
It seemed like some1 asked Raaja "whats new in your music" and Raaja did the song to simply tell them ' TAKE THAT'.
The ultimate benefactor was P.Vasu and Santhana bharathy!!!
This is one song I want to listen before I die or loose my sense of hearing...

The song is the terrific number 'poonthaLirAda'  of 'panneer pushpangaL'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crO9G1iUzGI


Actually this song deserves more than one couplet - may be a full adhikAram of 10 (or even a complete 'pAl' )

Will post more couplets on this sing as they occur in the mind

OK, let me make the next one also a quiz - but let me make the clue much easier this time!

This song was playing non-stop on my van thru out the weekend (my drive from Indy-Michigan and back and all other trips was this one single song).

So, please feel free to refer to the "repeat song" thread in our forum to get the song!

I have a pretty long post (i.e. one more on this song, here in this thread) in the making.

Besides the above clue, let me give another - to make it easy "குரலொலி இழந்த பாடகி - ஆசுகார் நாயகனை உயர்த்திய பெண்மணி".

Now the couplet, somewhat 18+ model

#ரா.பா.2அடி

#13

அள்ளிக்கொடுத்தார்ஆ இரண்டாம் இடையிசை
பள்ளியறை உச்சத்தைப் போன்று

Rough translation : He had gifted the fantastic second interlude- that can compare to the peak experienced in bed room

Now, please identify the song and post here

Of course the clue was quite easy and immediately got cracked on twitter - there was a cryptic reply "Minmini'

Well, the song of course is my oft-repeat special, poonguyilE (araNmaNaikkiLi).

I'll do the "multi-tweet" style post tomorrow, based on my musings during the Monday morning drive!