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Post  app_engine Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:33 pm

ThiraiPaadal.com has come back and the result is FOUR MORE albums added to my 1983 list, making it a huge 46 for 1983!

Now, the task is to look at each, locate vinyls (or otherwise find lyricists), get the hit-list, classify VM-or-other...

solid work...

Just for info, following are the albums that are getting accounted for 1983 :

Aanantha kummi
Aayiram nilave vaa
Aduththa vaarisu
Anney anney
Antha sila naatkal
Bhagavathipuram railway gate
Devi Sridevi
Ennai paar en azhagai paar
Eththanai Konam eththanai paarvai
Gopurangal Saaivathillai
Ilamaik kaalangal
Indru nee naalai naan
Inimai itho itho
Januaary 1
Jothi
Kan sivanthaal man sivakkum
Kokkarakko
Kozhi Kuvuthu
Malaiyoor mambattiyaan
Malargal Nanaikindrana
Man vaasanai
Manaivi solle manthiram
Meendum Oru Kaadhal Kathai
Mellap pesungal
Munthaanai mudichchu
Muthu engal soththu
Oomai veyil
Oppantham
Oru Giramathu Kuyil
Oru odai nathiyaagirathu
Paayum puli
Panjami
Pozhuthu Vidinjachu
Raahangal maaruvathillai
Saattai illaatha pambaram
Salangai oli
Soorakkottai singakkutti
Thanga magan
Thangamadi Thangam
Thoongaathe thambi thoongaathe
Ullam Uruguthadi
Urangaatha ninaivukal
Uyire unakkaaga
Veettile raaman veliyile krishnan
Vellai roja
Yuga tharmam

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Post  app_engine Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:04 pm

I don't know why people continue to add "VM" to the IR-BR alchemy related queries (which are otherwise not so outrageous, IMHO) :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMD5lAJCYAEGVHN.jpg:large

Well, this being the VM thread, I'll have to post ALL THE BR movies composed by IR & the corresponding VM contribution, let me do it as a reference work!

BR's films with IR as composer :

1. 16 vayadhinilE (1978) - BR's debut, classic, made KH-SD-RK bigger stars, silver jubilee hit, all songs hit (sOLam vedhakkayilE, sendhoorappoovE, Attukkutty muttai ittu, sevvandhippoo mudichcha, manjakkuLichchu), NO VM!

2. kizhakkE pOgum rayil (1978) - BR's second, launched Radhika, silver jubilee hit, all songs (including non-picturized one) hits (poovarasampoo, malargaLE nAdhaswarangaL, mAnjOlaikkiLi dhAnO, kOvil maNi Osai thannai), NO VM!

3. sigappu rOjAkkaL (1978) - BR's third, first "city" movie of his, silver jubilee hit, both songs hit (minminikku, ninaivO oru paRavai), NO VM!

4. pudhiya vArppugaL (1979) - BR's 4th, launched Bagyaraj / Rathi, silver jubilee hit, three mega hit songs (thamthana namdhana, idhayam pOguthE, vAn mEgangaLE), NO VM!

5. niRam mARAdha pookkaL (1979) - BR's 5th, not very successful but modest run, three mega hit songs, first SPB song in a BR movie (Ayiram malargaLE, iru paRavaigaL, mudhal mudhalAga) NO VM!

6. kallukkuL eeram (1980) - BR's mERpArvai of direction, acted as hero, all songs hits, movie flop (kothamallippoovE, eNNaththil EdhO, thOppiloru nAdakam, siRuponmaNi asaiyum) NO VM!

7. nizhalgaL (1980) - BR's first massive flop as director, all songs hits & classics, one of the top albums of TF ever IMHO. (madai thiRandhu, pon mAlaippozhudhu, poongathavE thAzh thiRavAy, dhooraththil nAn kaNda), VM wrote 1 of the 4 hit songs

8. alaigaL Oyvadhillai (1980) - IR's family production, movie big hit, all songs big hits (Ayiram thAmarai, kAdhal Oviyam, darisanam kidaikkAdhA, vizhiyil vizhundhu, vAdi en kappakkezhangE, putham pudhukkAlai), VM wrote 3 songs our of 6 hits

9. tik tik tik (1981) - BR's big flop despite Kamal, Rajini's wife sang a song, all three songs big hits (idhu oru nilAkkAlam, poo malarndhida, nEtRu indha nEram) VM wrote 2 our of 3 hit songs

10. kAdhal Oviyam (1982) - Another big flop by BR, all songs, however, were hits! (ammA azhagE, kuyilE kuyilE, nAdham en jeevanE, poovil vaNdu, poojaikkAga, nadhiyil Adum, veLLichchalangaigaL, sangeetha jAthimullai) Major one for VM as he did all but one song for a flop movie

11. vAlibamE vA vA (1982) - Biggest flop of BR's career, only two hit songs (ponvAnappoongAvil, azhagE unnaikkonjam) No hit song by VM, both hits by others

12. maN vAsanai (1983) - Modest hit movie after a hat-trick of flops, launched Revathy, four hit songs of which one was pathos of another (pothi vachcha - sugam & sOgam, arisi kuththum, AnandhaththEn sindhum) VM had 2 hits, same song sugam-sOgam others wrote 2 hits

13. oru kaidhiyin diary (1985) - Hit movie, 2 Kamals, KBR coming back to help out BR with screenplay, three hit songs (idhu rOsAppoovu, ABC nee vAsi, pon mAnE) - All 3 hits by VM, first BR hit with all songs by VM IIRC

14. mudhal mariyAdhai (1985) - Big hit, classic, BR directing NT, all songs hit (E kiLi irukku, ERAdha mala mElE, E kuruvi, rAsAvE onna nambi, poongAtRu thirumbumA, vetti vEru vAsam, andha nelAvaththAn) All 7 hits by VM, he even introduced songs on the disk!

15. kadalOrakkavidhaikaL (1986) - moderate hit, last one with IR-VM-BR combo, all songs hit (pOguthE pOguthE, adi AththAdi, kodiyilE, podi nadaiyA - even the BGM song chinnappa dAs dAs) Three hit songs by VM, two by others

With that IR-BR-VM broke up!

BR came back to IR in 1990 and they did 3 movies together again, obviously without VM and the movies didn't fare that greatly on BO, but songs were big hits without question :

16. ennuyirththOzhan (1990) - E rAsAththi, kuyilukkuppam, machchi mannAru were moderate hit songs

17. pudhu nellu pudhu nAththu (1990) - chittAnchittAn kuruvi, karuththa machchAn, poo poo poo were all hit songs, karuththa machchAN was a real biggie

18. nAdOdiththenRal (1992) - last movie of BR-IR combo thus far, many hit songs - maNiyE maNikkuyilE, sandhana mArbilE, All the time, oru kaNam oru yugamAka, ElamalaikkAttukkuLLE, yArum viLaiyAdum thOttam

Of course, BR had a couple of hits in Telugu, with rAsA music (i.e. remakes of his Thamizh hits) but it's improbable VM wrote for them Laughing

From the above list, one can LOGICALLY CONCLUDE that VM or no VM, there had been MANY hit movies / songs in the IR-BR combo! Why add him to this mix in IR-BR discussions?

BR is deliberately making himself a laughing stock! (Earlier the mottai gOpuram thing and now this stupid Q&A)

p.s. - If there is any significant miss in the listing above, please inform...always willing to get corrected Smile

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Post  app_engine Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:14 pm

Another BR kaLLaththanam in that reply is "selectively quoting" ninaivellAm nithyA, an utter flop movie, to bring VM into the equation Shocked

Sridhar-IR combo made terrific hit albums iLamai oonjalAdukiRadhu & azhagE unnai ArAdhikkiREn and the movies were BO hits as well!

Why did this fellow selectively omit those EARLIER ones in his "reference"?

anga dhAN avaradhu kaLLaththanam, to include VM!

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Post  app_engine Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:35 am

rAsA had around 100 hit songs in 1983 TFM alone (many of them massive hits, popular even today) and it's not easy to catalog / classify Embarassed

VM should easily have 1/3 of them as per indications so far Smile

I'll get the finalized data in a day or two...

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Post  app_engine Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:27 pm

OK, here is the list of hits from 1983 (I tried to be as objective as possible, tossing anything that's unfamiliar)...

It's a huge list of 113 hit songs, in a single calendar year for rAsA (and many of these patti-thotti-citi hits, only a few were 'radio-only' kind...this was the era of "bus & teakkadai music" and recording centers firmly getting established, rAsA getting banners / posters etc)! The VM ones are "colored"


  • Aanantha kummi (oru kiLi, oomai nenjin, O veNNilAvE, machchan, thAmaraikkodi, thiNdAduthE)
  • Aayiram nilave vaa (andharangam, ooty kuLiru, gangai Atril, dEvadhai iLam dEvi)
  • Aduththa vaarisu (pEsakkoodAthu, ennayya ABC, vA rAsA, kAviriyE, Asai nooru, vAzhga rANi)
  • Anney anney (uruginEn)
  • Antha sila naatkal  (none)
  • Bhagavathipuram railway gate (kAlai nErakkEtRE, sevvaraLiththOttathula, thennangeetRum)
  • Ennai paar en azhagai paar (none)
  • Eththanai Konam eththanai pArvai (alai pAyudhE, vidhaiththa vidhai)
  • Gopurangal Saaivathillai (poo vAdaikkatru, en purushan than, pudichchalum pudichchen)
  • Ilamaik kaalangal (isai mEdaiyil, pAda vandhathO, padippilE zero, ragavane, eeramAna)
  • Indru nee naalai naan (mottu vitta, thAzhampoove, ponvAnam panneer)
  • Inimai itho itho (aLLi vachcha malligaiyE)
  • Januaary 1 (none)
  • Jothi (sirichchA kollimalakkuyilu)
  • Kan sivanthaal man sivakkum (manithA manithA)
  • Kokkarakko (geetham sangeetham, mylapore pakkam)
  • Kozhi Kuvuthu (engum niraindholirum, veeraiyya, pottppulla, poovE, EthO mOgam, anne anne, ayar padi)
  • Malaiyoor mambattiyaan (kAttu vazhi, chinnappoNNu sEla, Adudhadi, veLLarikkA)
  • Malargal Nanaikindrana (none)
  • Man vaasanai (pothi vacha (duet), pothi vacha (solo), anandha then, arisi kuththum)
  • Manaivi solle manthiram (mAne mAnguyile, Aththadi athisayam)
  • Mellap pesungal (sevvanthippookkaLil, kAdhal sAgAthu) 
  • Munthaanai mudichchu (vilakku vacha, andhi varum, chinnanjiru, nan pudicha, kannaththorakkanum, va va vathiyare)
  • Muthu engal soththu (nAn undhan sellakkutty, yArAru ennAnnu dhAn)
  • Oomai veyil (sOlai pushpangaLE, thekkuththeru)
  • Oppantham (orE mugam nilA mugam)
  • Oru odai nathiyaagirathu (thenRal ennai, thalayai kuniyum, kanavu onru, rathiri pozhudhu)
  • Paayum puli (Adi mAsA, poththukkittu, Appakkada, vA mAmA)
  • Panjami (mAlai veyil, panikkAtRin kuLumai, udhaya kAlamE)
  • Raahangal maaruvathillai (vAn meethile, thenralo theeyo, vizhigal meenO)
  • Saattai illaatha pambaram (nenjukkul poo manjangaL, kEttAlum kidaikkAdhammA)
  • Salangai oli (Om namasivAyA, bala kanaga, vAn polE, nAdha vinOdhangaL, mounama nEram, thakida thathimi, vEdam)
  • Soorakkottai singakkutti (onnum theriyatha, kali dasan)
  • Thanga magan (rathiriyil, poomalai, va va pakkam va, adukku malligai, machana pAradi)
  • Thangamadi Thangam (aththa maha thangaththukku, rOttOram)
  • Thoongaathe thambi thoongaathe (vAnam keezhE, varudhu varudhu, thoongAthE, ada rAmA, summa nikkAdheenga, nAnAga nAnillai)
  • Ullam Uruguthadi (none)
  • Urangaatha ninaivukal (mounamE)
  • Uyire unakkaaga (mArgazhippArvai pArkkavA)
  • Veettile raaman veliyile krishnan (ennammA kObam)
  • Vellai roja (O mAnE mAnE, sOlaippoovil, dEvanin kOyililE, nagooru pakkaththula)
  • Yuga tharmam (none)


Accordingly, the number for VM is 42 ! A whopping 37% of rAsA's TFM hits in that year!

Others did only 71 hits for IR this year!

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Post  app_engine Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:53 pm

IR - VM combo statistics update :

1976-79 + 1987 & after - None 



1980 - < 2% (1 song) 
1981 - 15% (10 songs) 
1982 - 33% (31 songs) 
1983 - 37% (42 songs) 


1984/85/86 - TO DO


I'll have to post brief notes on the 42 songs of 1983, before I take up 1984 Smile

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Post  app_engine Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:48 pm

Correction - I've already accounted kOzhi koovudhu in 1982 :oops:So, need to take out those from 1983 and thus the numbers change a little bit...

For 1983, IR's hits come down to 106...with VM having 40 of them, the percentage goes slightly up - to 38%!

Overall, IR-VM stats are as below :

1976-79 + 1987 & after - None
1980-< 2% (1 song)
1981-15% (10 songs)
1982-33% (31 songs)
1983-38% (40 songs)
1984/85/86 - TO DO

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Post  app_engine Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:25 pm

Let us feature the next IR-VM song from gOpurangaL sAyvadhillai, director Manivannan's first movie as a director!

#43 poo vAdaikkAtRu vandhu Adai theeNduthE (SJ / Krishnachandar & thogaiyaRA by IR)

The untimely demise of Manivannan last week, too early to die still in his 50's, came as a shocking reminder as to the nilaiyAmai of humans. As he himself recalled during a function related to his recent 50th movie, one reason he got directorial opportunity was IR's reco. He maintained his appreciation for IR in all public forums - despite not having IR for some of his movies, including the most recent one. 

That said, majority of his extremely successful movies had rAsA's music as a great support! The most popular one, IMO, being nooRAvadhu nAL - that had terrific, terrific BGM by rAsA!

IR paid respect to the director's body, looking very sad.

This 'arukkANi' movie had Mohan flirting with Radha (Suhasini acts as his wife with a thEL kodukku pinnal mudi and the rustic name 'arukkANi'). It had a modest success at BO and Manivannan continued to direct a lot of movies - sometimes 4,5 in a single calendar year!

This song is a personal favourite to me and was quite popular at the time of arrival, despite KC Embarassed  Yes, IR had the 'EdhO mOgam' hit pair, for a somewhat similar situational / similar husky sounding sensuous duet! Has the same mOgam / dhAgam business too Laughing(Obviously, it is not comparable to the former in any measure). A guitar special, with some interesting phrases - like "அம்பிகை தங்கை என்று" (rAdhA younger sister of ambikA)!

Look at the pAdal varikaL:

ஊரெங்கும் மழையாச்சு தாளாத குளுராச்சு ராக்காலம் ஈரமாச்சு
கனி கொண்ட கிளையுண்டு கிளையோடு கிளியுண்டு பசியாற நேரமாச்சு
தனியான பூவுக்கு எலையொன்னு துணையாச்சு ஏனென்று கொஞ்சம் யோசி
முழுசாக நனைஞ்சாச்சு குளிர் விட்டுப்போயாச்சு யார் இங்கு சந்நியாசி?

பூவாடைக்காற்று  வந்து ஆடை தீண்டுமே
முந்தானை இங்கே குடையாக மாறுமே
சாரல் பட்டதால் பூ வெடிக்குமே
ஈர வண்டுகள் தேன் குடிக்குமே

பாதை தடுமாறும் இது போதை மழையாகும்
முந்தானை வாசம் ஏதோ சுகம்
காணாத பூவின் ஜாதி நனைந்ததே தேகம் பாதி
தள்ளாடும் காதல் ஜோதி என்ன சேதி
இது தானே மோகம் ஒரு பூவின் தாகம்
துடையோடு நனையாதோ பூங்காவனம்

ஏங்கும் இளமாலை விரல் தீண்டும் சுக வேளை
காணாததன்றோ ஆண் வாசனை
அம்பிகை தங்கை என்று கிண்டுதே ஆசை வண்டு
துள்ளுதே ரோஜாச்செண்டு சூடு கண்டு
இரு கண்ணின் ஓரம் நிறம் மாறும் நேரம்
மார்பில் விழும் மாலைகளின் ஆலிங்கனம்


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Post  app_engine Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:35 pm

Warning - digression from the checks & balances business that happens in this thread...

Plum has posted a nice write-up on VM's dubbing lyrics for K Viswanath classics in the Telugu thread.

He made fun of the "வகையான லாலி"  there and that prompted me to post some tweets with #VMComedy tag...capturing them here together :


வண்டுக்கு உப்புமா / அல்வா கிண்ட முடியும் (அம்பிகை தங்கை என்று "கிண்டு"தே ஆசை வண்டு) https://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t96p105-ilayaraja-vairamuthu-combo-checks-balances#7787 …

சின்னவீடு முத்தமிட்டால் உடனே தூக்கம் வரும் (முத்திரை ஒத்தடம் இட்டதும் நித்திரை வருமே / சிட்டுக்குருவி வெக்கப்படுது )

முத்தம் ஒரு பிரச்னை / துயரம் (வறட்சி / வெள்ளம் / வலி மாதிரி இதுக்கும் நிவாரணம் வேணுமாம் - முதல்வன்னே வன்னே வன்னே வன்னே வன்னே)

One more in the same 'chittukkuruvi' song - முத்தச்செலவு :ROTFL: (So much of abuse on முத்தம்)... வாழ்க்கை என்பது வியாபாரம் #KD

முத்தம் ஒரு தூக்க மருந்து (இட்டதும் நித்திரை வரும்)
முத்தம் ஒரு துக்கம் (நிவாரணம் தேவை)
முத்தம் ஒரு செலவு (மரணம் மாதிரி)


End of digression, now will continue with 1983 songs of IR-VM combo
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Post  plum Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:39 am

Actually that othadam ittadhum niththirai is nice. I am  not much of a poetic meaning person, so what catches my attention is the perfect lyrical flourish there - it sits well on the tune, and is indistinguishable from the swaram rendering of the tune. And it's not a bad karpanai either...

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Post  sagi Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:36 pm

That was a real difficult sandham - முத்திரை ஒத்தடம் இட்டதும் நித்திரை வருமே. And as Plumji says the line sits extremely well and makes a lot of sense too. I would go one step ahead and call the lyrics in this song (Pallavi especially) brilliant. 

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Post  app_engine Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:44 pm

Plum & Nerd,

Smile

Totally agree it's a difficult sandham and the lyrical "flourish" is enjoyable Smile

Mine was more of a nit-pick, trying to extract some comedy out of it Wink

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Post  app_engine Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:58 pm

While one can apprecaite VM writing "matter for meter" appropriately, I still find this particular matter (which is a "matter" matter) not well-suited.

It is more of pandhu-sindhu kind of VM trying to get the rhyme (muththirai-niththirai) rather than getting the theme right...



Look at the setting - a jollu man getting into an extra-marital affair and the chinna veedu entertaining him in bed.

Where is the place for 'niththirai' (sleep) there? rotfl2 

(An imaginary conversation between KBR and a friend :

Friend : adappAvi chinna veedu setup paNNeettiyA? ennadA idhu aniyAyam?
KBR : adappOdA, matRdhellAm onnum illadA, ava muththam kuduththa udanE enakku nallA thookkam varudhu, adhu dhANdA vishayam! Laughing)

sittukkuruvi vekkappadhu - pettaikkuruvi kaththuth tharudhu
thottup pazhakap pazhaga sorggam varudhu
kattith  thazhuvath thazhuvak kattil sududhu
andhappuramE sugamE tharumE

All the above lines indicate the passion between the man & woman and it's obvious they're getting into the act.

If anything, KBR wouldn't have wanted to totally drain his macho image by a slumber there Laughing 

But VM - just for rhyme's sake - pushed in a niththirai there : muththirai oththadam ittadhum thookkam vandhudumAm Laughing 
(moonRAm piRai Poornam Viswanathan reminded here)

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Post  app_engine Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:03 am

Just a sumAl modification to the same line, with the same niththirai, could have suited the "matter" very well and let me suggest that modification :

muththirai oththadam ittadhum (or itta pin) niththirai sukamE (or idhamE) Wink

Here whatever meaning one takes for muththirai - simple kiss or the act itself - the niththirai won't take away the manliness...as in the case of existing lyric where the man is shown less potent - may be VM-IR combo deliberately mocked KBR Laughing Wink

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Post  app_engine Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:36 pm

While from the PoV of MD it's much more convenient to do 'mettukkup pAttu', it's painful from the PoV of kavingar...

Recent speech by VM is out of such anguish...


ஜி.ராமநாதன், எஸ்.வி.வெங்கட்ராமன், எம்.எஸ்.வி, இளையராஜா இவர்கள் எல்லாரையும் விட கே.வி.மகாதேவனைத் தான் பாடலாசிரியர்கள் மிகவும் நேசிப்பார்கள். ஏனென்றால் அவர் மட்டும் தான் எழுத்தை அதிகம் வாங்கி இசையமைத்தவர்.
...
...
எஸ்.எஸ்.குமரன் இசையமைக்கும் ‘கேரள நாட்டிளம் பெண்களுடனே’ படத்திற்கு அனைத்துப் பாடல்களையும் என்னிடம் எழுதி வாங்கிக் கொண்டு சென்று அதற்குத் தான் மெட்டமைத்திருக்கிறார்.

அவர் அடுத்தடுத்த படங்களிலும் என்னிடம் பாட்டுக்களை எழுதி வாங்கியே இசையமைத்தால் என் சம்பளத்தில் பாதியை குறைத்துக் கொள்கிறேன்.

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Post  app_engine Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:28 pm

#44 sOlai pushpangaLE (oomai veyil & later in ingEyum oru gangai, GA-PS)

Another song that has Manivannan connection Smile

I guess it's worth repeating the fact that this song was part of TWO different TF albums. First in oomai veyil and the disk cover got posted in our vinyl thread. That movie never got released but this song and another (vadakkuththeru vaNNakkiLi, another GA-PS duet) got very popular in south TN, thanks to SLBC (IOKS).

Manivannan had mentioned on a TV program that he often went to rAsA to grab "tunes rejected by other directors". In this case, he simply "purchased" a couple of existing songs and used them in his movie 'ingEyum oru gangai' (starring Murali / Dhara) that was quite successful at the BO.

If the first line of the song reminded people of a joke by Senthil, adhaRku nAn poRuppalla :)However, I need to highlight this nice aspect of Thamizh poem where thalaivan or thalaivi uses all kinds of objects to do "thoodhu" (communication). Here, the flowers of the garden are employed for communicating the sadness of lovers to each other - nice poetry in 'pAlaiththiNai' mode - despite freely using vadamozhi words such as pushpam / sOgam etc.

VM gets into his typical socialism mode in romantic song ("நீதி இல்லையா") that also served the purpose of rhyme (nAdhi-needhi) in the second saraNam Smile It brings a smile out of me in each listen Smile

Look at the lines :

சோலை புஷ்பங்களே என் சோகம் சொல்லுங்களே
கண்ணாளனைக் கண்டாலென்ன என் வேதனை சொன்னாலென்ன
நல் வார்த்தைகள் தந்தாலென்ன

கண்ணா ஜோடிக்குயில் மாலையிடுமா இல்லை ஓடி விடுமா
கண்ணே நானிருக்க சோகம் என்னம்மா கங்கை வற்றி விடுமா
உன்னை எண்ணி மூச்சிருக்குது உள்ளூரில் என்னென்னமோ பேச்சிருக்குது
கல்யாணமா கச்சேரியா தாளாதடி நெஞ்சு
கொக்கு ஒன்னு காத்திருக்குது தண்ணீரில் தத்தளிச்சு மீனிருக்குது

உன்னை மீறி ஒரு மாலை வருமா சொந்தம் மாறி விடுமா
உள்ளம் காத்திருந்து இற்று விடுமா தன்னை விற்று விடுமா
பால் வடியும் பூ முகத்திலே என் அன்பே நீர் வடிய நான் பொறுக்கையிலே
பன்னீருக்கும் மண்ணெண்ணெய்க்கும் கல்யாணமாம் சாமி
காவலுக்கு நாதி இல்லையா எந்நாளும் காதலுக்கு நீதி இல்லையா

Watch the sweet song, superbly crafted by rAsA...visuals by Manivannan :

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Post  app_engine Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:18 pm

Insignificant contribution by VM when rAsA reached one of his commercial peaks - the 1983 deepAvaLi :

#45 machchAnappAradi machchamuLLa ALudi (SJ/VJ, thangamagan)

This was an interesting moment, when three films - one each of the reigning biggie stars - got released on the same day and all three went on to become commerical successes.

AND, ALL HAD IR's MUSIC AND TOO MANY HIT SONGS!

HOWEVER, ONLY ONE SONG BY VM!

'veLLai rOjA' marked NT signing up IR once again, after not using him for 2+ years, because of the IR-TMS tiff. IMG, NT came down to help out Prabhu's career and agreed to the voice of MV as his playback (nagooru pakkaththula / dEvanin kOvililE yAvarum deepangaLE). The movie had NT in dual role, Prabhu, Suresh, Radha, Ambika and was a big success. (Crude remake of a Malayalam movie, BTW). NONE of the 4 hit songs were by VM. (The two MV numbers + 2 SPB-SJ duets O mAnE mAnE mAnE, sOlaippoovil mAlaiththenRal).

'thoongAthE thambi thoongAthE' had the second biggie success by AVM with Kamal / SPM / IR / PA / Vaali combo, after the prior year's SKV. Two Kamals, Radha, Sulakshana and 6 big hit songs (none by VM obviously).

'thanga magan' had Rajini having an unusual pair - Poornima Jayaraman (now Poornima Bagyaraj) who wasn't recognized as a "masAlA" actress until then. Well, she had all those shiny constumes, dance floor and such jiginA stuff in this movie - even had a duet with Anuradha (who was trying to replace silukku at this time) Laughing

Well, it is that female duet song - the least of the hit numbers in this Rajini movie - that VM got opportunity to write. Since those 'machchAn / machcham / Azham / neeLam' lyrics are not worthy to be explored in our esteemed forum, I'm not going to put effort to get pAdal varigaL here.

So why do I even post about it here? That too a long post?

Two reasons - #1 Accounting purpose but #2 is more important:

This post is also to record the fact that VM had nothing much to do in most IR-commercial-peaks, this being an example - even though this year was one of the top years by # of hits for IR & the IR-VM combo, VM had practically null in deepAvaLi!

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Post  app_engine Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:01 pm

#46 sirichchA kollimalaikkuyilu (Jothi, SPB-chAyA)

Back to another Manivannan song - allegedly his first-started-movie that got released after a few. SPB sang with a Kannada singer Chaya (possibly only hit TF song) and it got covered in the SPB-IR series Smile

VM penned the romantic lines that express the love that blossomed in a female who was not favourably disposed towards the man at first but changed later on...(கல்லாக்கெடந்து பூவானா ரெண்டாந்தடவ ஆளானா shows she was rock-solid first but then softened).

Of course, filled with mOham / dhAgam / pAlooRal / thEn kudam etc as needed Laughing

சிரிச்சா கொல்லி மலைக்குயிலு
ஒரு  முத்துமணி தந்த மோகத்திலே
பத்து விரல் தொட்ட வேகத்துல
பட்ட இடம் பாலூற நெஞ்சுக்குள்ள பெண்மை சுரக்க

கல்லாக்கெடந்து பூவானா ரெண்டாந்தடவ ஆளானா
கரும்பாறையப் போலிருந்தா சொக மாம்பழம் போல் கனிஞ்சா
ரோசாக்கதவு தானத்தொறந்து வாசம் வந்ததென்ன
இளம் பூங்கொடி போல் தொடுமோ கனவோ நெனவோ?

காவலுக்கிங்கே யார் பொறுப்பு? முள்ளு வளத்தது தாமரைப்பூ
உலகம் எங்கும் ஓம் மலிப்பு (?) பறிபோனது ஏஞ்சிரிப்பு
காலம் இருக்கு கண்ணீர் எதுக்கு வந்தேன் காவலுக்கு
தளும்பாதிரு தேன் குடமே சொகமே வருமே


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Post  app_engine Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:54 pm

#47 aLLi vachcha malligaiyE puLLi vachcha ponmayilE (inimai idhO idhO, PS / Krishnachandar)

Except for that 'புள்ளி வச்ச' part that I cannot understand (some DHVMFs please explain), it's a lovely number - full of beautiful imagery / uvamai / uruvagam / uyarvu naviRchi etc! The interesting part is most of them are quite unobtrusive - in Kannadasan style (e.g. தங்கம் நெறம் கருக்குமா? வெண்ணிலவு உதிருமா? ) Of course, I don't know the astronomical answer for "நட்சத்திரம் நகருமா?", but from the standpoint of a human onlooker, those are obviously stationary Smile

Lovely melody, sweetly sung by PS and fortunately, KC is not irritating in this number! Since our Doc has taken pains to upload this rare video on youtube, let us share the link here as well :



And here are the vaira varigaL:

அள்ளி வச்ச மல்லிகையே
புள்ளி வச்ச பொன்மயிலே
என்ன தயக்கம் என்ன மயக்கம்
நீ சிரிச்சாப் போதும் குறிஞ்சி பூக்கும்

ஓ ராமனே உன் ஆசை மெய்யானதா?
ஏ பூங்கொடி இந்த பூமி பொய்யானதா?
காதில் சொன்ன வார்த்த என்னை காவல் காக்குமா?
நேத்து சொன்ன பேச்சு நெறம் மாறிப்போகுமா?
தங்கம் நெறம் கருக்குமா ஊர் ஒலகம் பொறுக்குமா?
நம்பித்தானே வந்து விழுந்தேனே!

ஆகாயமும் இந்த மண்ணும் சாட்சியடி
யார் கேட்டது மனசாட்சி போதும் இனி
பாதம் நோகும் போது உள்ளங்கையால் தாங்கவா
பொய்யே சொல்ல வேணாம் சின்னக் கையே தாங்குமா
வெண்ணிலவு உதிருமா நட்சத்திரம் நகருமா
உவம வேணாம் உண்மை சொல்லு மாமா!

Like most school students of TN in the 60's-70's, VM got exposure to a good amount of Biblical passages (like the sermon on the mount) and one can detect some influences here and there in his songs. (ஆகாயமும் இந்த மண்ணும் சாட்சியடி , யார் கேட்டது மனசாட்சி போதும் இனி - is a poetic expression of "swear not - neither by heaven nor by earth, but let your yes means yes and no means no", appropriately fitted into the context of marital vow here).

Yet another proof that VM could internalize what he got educated at school and express it in film songs (not just physical science as "தண்ணீரில் மூழ்காது" but also moral science Laughing)

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Post  app_engine Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:19 pm

#48 & #49 are two versions of the same song from maN vAsanai, the "another-come-back-movie-for-BR" in 1983, that launched Revathy (AshA kELuNNi the original name).

poththi vachcha malliga mottu (sugam SPB / SJ duet & sOgam SJ solo)!

Both my all-time-fav songs and the first one a cult classic among TFM's village songs (covered in the SPB-IR series தலை கீழ்ப்பாடம்  )...



Let's look at the pAdal varigaL:

சுகம்:

பொத்தி வச்ச மல்லிகை மொட்டு
பூத்திருச்சு வெக்கத்த விட்டு
பேசிப் பேசி ராசியானதே
மாமன் பேரைச் சொல்லிச் சொல்லி ஆளானதே
ரொம்ப நாளானதே

மாலை இடக்காத்து அல்லியிருக்கு
தாலி செய்ய நேத்துச் சொல்லியிருக்கு
இது சாயங்காலமா மடி சாயுங்காலமா
முல்லப் பூச்சூடு மெல்லப் பாய் போடு
அட வாடைக் காத்து சூடு ஏத்துது

ஆத்துக்குள்ள நேத்து ஒன்ன நெனச்சேன்
வெக்க நிறம் போக மஞ்சக் குளிச்சேன்
கொஞ்சம் மறைஞ்சு பாக்கவா
இல்ல முதுகு தேய்க்கவா
அது கூடாது இது தாங்காது
சின்னக் காம்பு தான பூவத் தாங்குது


சோகம்:

பொத்தி வச்ச மல்லிகை மொட்டு வாடுதடி வாசனை கெட்டு
மாலையோடு சேரவில்லையே மாலையாகும் ஆசையோடு
ஆளானதே இன்று பாழானதே

சின்னக்கிளி நாளும் ஏங்கவில்லையா செய்யச் சொன்ன தாலி வாங்கவில்லையா
இது ஆறிப்போனதா திச மாறிப் போனதா இது நீ தானா இனி வாழ்வேனா
இந்த ஆத்து மேடு சாட்சி சொல்லுமா

உன்னை எண்ணித் தானே மஞ்சக்குளிச்சேன் ரெட்டச்சட போட்டு பின்னி முடிச்சேன்
அது கலஞ்சு போனதே தங்கம் கறஞ்சு போனதே
மனம் ஆறாதே உன்னைச் சேராதே இவ கோலம் போட வாசல் இல்லையே

Quite rustic lyrics that beautifully sit on a nice melody! (Though I'm not a big fan of the meanings - for e.g. 'pEsippEsi rAsiyAnadhE' is a phrase used for peace after a fight and here it is used for a girl's mensuration Shocked yuck - typical VM-ism, like poovukkuL bhoogambam).

IR simply played around with orch, that can pizhinjify one's heart!

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Post  plum Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:40 pm

"chinna poovu dhAnE kAmba thAngudhu"
AgA AgA, a VAM brrrr should have been added to that line Smile

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Post  app_engine Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:07 pm

#50 manidhA manidhA iniyun vizhigaL sivandhAl ulagam vidiyum (KJY / kaN sivandhAl maN sivakkum)

Song well-known for terrific orch by rAsA! The one minute long prelude sets the terrific tone of what's coming!

Recently Drunkenmunk posted about this song (and the movie) in his blog and opined that the movie was a well-made one. As a person who was in college when it came out, I can confirm that it came and went without anyone noticing it. Even my 'rAsA padaththai kaNNai moodikkittE pAkkalAm' fanatic hostelmate possibly didn't get a chance to watch this. (At the minimum, he didn't drag me to theater Laughing)

By the time I was in college, the "revolt" "rebel" (and other related commie) thingies weren't my cup of chAya and accordingly such literature, movies, songs never incited great thrill in me.

kaN sivandhAl maN sivakkum, fine! Agreed! After that?

History has proved time and again that in course of time there was soon again need for one more 'kaN sivakkal' Laughing Violence had never been known to bring even temporarily-lasting solutions. That way, while I do have the same anger against ALL kinds of injustice and ALL kinds of inhuman acts, I don't subscribe to the prescribed reaction.

That way, any movie / song cannot incite "yAraiyAvadhu pOy udhaikkaNum" feeling inside me - even though sheer instrumental music can create "blood-boiling" effect at times :)But then, that's about it, it typically leads to deep meditation of "why" "what is the purpose of life" "how long such atrocities"...

Despite such differences in principle, I cannot help but admire the way in which words are weaved in this poem. Like 2040 ( @vforvadi ) replied to my sAmaram post on 'pon mAlaippozhudhu' - சாமரம் வீசிய பாமர ஜாதிகள் சாதனை கண்டு விடும், there are some lovely phrases that are "nach nach" in this song Smile

Look at the lines:

மனிதா மனிதா இனி உன் விழிகள் சிவந்தால் உலகம் விடியும்
விழியில் வழியும் உதிரம் முழுதும் இனி உன் சரிதம் எழுதும்
அசையும் கொடிகள் உயரும் உயரும் நிலவின் முதுகை உரசும்

சில ஆறுகள் மாறுதடா வரலாறுகள் மீறுதடா
பசியால் பல ஏழைகள் சாவது என்பது தேசியமானதடா
இனி தேன் வரும் என்பதும் பால் வரும் என்பதும் ஜோசியமானதடா
அடி சாட்டைகளே இனித் தீர்வுகள் என்பது சூசகமானதடா

ஒளி வீசுக சூரியனே யுகம் மாறுது வாலிபனே
ஒரு தோல்வியிலாப் புது வேள்வியினால் இனி சோதனை தீர்ந்து விடும்
சில ஆயிரம் ஆயிரம் சூரிய தீபங்கள் பூமியில் தோன்றி விடும்
அட சாமரம் வீசிய பாமர ஜாதிகள் சாதனை கண்டு விடும்

Without question a peak in the VM career! Like I mentioned above, while I don't subscribe to the "solution" part, I definitely share very similar emotions / feelings on the existing conditions!


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Post  app_engine Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:20 pm

I have another 32 songs to cover in 1983 and by the end of that year, VM had 82 hits with rAsA music!

Tremendous record without question - but there had been 100's more during those years by IR with others in TFM & elsewhere. That has to be always kept in mind!

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Post  Drunkenmunk Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:45 am

appji,

Yes, saw the film as I was doing 3 songs from it. I would place this as a precursor of sorts to Anbe Sivam, which imo seems to be a watered down version of KSMS (not fair comparing and definitely stupid to say AS copied KSMS, but this film does have an artist hero, feudal villain, communist theme, a streetplay poking fun at the villain and all).

This song, like Bala (Karthik) mentioned on twitter, is not at all lyrical or poetic with words sitting on the tune with a flourish. But certainly Vairamuthu's peak. What lines! especially at "இனி தேன் வரும் என்பதும் பால் வரும் என்பதும் ஜோசியமானதடா
அடி சாட்டைகளே இனித் தீர்வுகள் என்பது சூசகமானதடா".


What a well played!

Btw, Plum and @sharankay mentioned 2 possible inspirations for the music of Manidha Manidha.

1. Salilda's fabulous Dheu uthche kara tutche (1946) for the India navy:
 
2. Ram Ganguli's Aag film's title score (1948): 
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Post  app_engine Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:39 pm

Drunkenmunk wrote:Btw, Plum and @sharankay mentioned 2 possible inspirations for the music of Manidha Manidha.

Inspired?
Yes, without question Smile Especially, the second youtube that you've posted!

Inspirational?
Not to me Embarassed
(But perhaps to many others)

Nevertheless, enjoyable Smile

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