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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
More magnificent compositions got penned by GA. My amazement at GA's lyrical prowess keeps growing song by song. A lot of my favorite songs are here in this list. Thanks App, lovely writeup on Kaalai Nera, Un Paarvayil, Poongatre (both me and my Dad love this song a lot and I heard this first time from his cassette), Indha Maan, Adho Andha. This is a honey sweet playlist of songs.
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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
#44 O nenjamE idhu un rAgamE (enakkAga kAthiru, SJ/DC)
Yet another dreamy number from the aNNan-thambi isai combo, that makes one float into the clouds! This song has some terrific intoxicating stuff embedded - that the listener tends to forget the surroundings and start taking off from ground slowly!
The movie was the second directorial venture of BR's cameraman Niwas (after the disastrous kallukkuL eeram directing his director). Unfortunately, this too failed to click and he slowly faded out from the scene in course of time. (IIRC, he did a Hindi movie with IR, recycled some TF songs for that etc., but nothing seemed to work positively for his career).
Whatever...rAsA did give him fantastic songs for this EK movie! While GA penned all songs for his first KE movie, this one had only 75% i.e. 3 songs by him - the fourth 'dhAgam edukkuRa' number was by VM. 'dhAgam' was a small change in the scheme of things, i.e. UR solo not written by GA.
As usual, until I saw the vinyl cover today, I didn't credit "O nenjamE" to GA A recent Rex quiz - that's quite popular with IRF's - featured this song but the blog post or comments have no reference to GA, which is typical Well, nanRi musicAlaya! Also, nanRi raaga.com for confirming what's on the disk cover
The pallavi has the GA keyword 'rAgam'. One can also notice 'kOdai(kAlak)kARRil', a minor repeat from panneer pushpagaL that came around the same time. I had this song in a red color INRECO "original" CD with bad quality audio (and used to lament the same way many did in tfmpage). Quality seems to be at "radio broadcast" levels, much the same with the thiraippadal version and youtube as well...but, check out for yourselves...
thiraippAdal : http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0796'&lang=en
youtube:
pAdal varikaL:
பல்லவி
ஓ நெஞ்சமே இது உன் ராகமே
கோடைக்காற்றில் கூடும் கூட்டில்
கொண்டாடிடும் இன்பம் கண்டு ஆடும் பாடும்
சரணம் 1
எண்ணங்களின் வண்ணங்களில் உன் தோற்றமே
என் நெஞ்சிலும் நான் காண்கிறேன் ஓர் மாற்றமே
யாரோடு யாரைக் கை சேர்ப்பதென்று
யார் சொல்லக் கூடும் நம்மோடு இன்று
சேர வேண்டும் ஒன்று சேர்ந்து வாழவேண்டும்
சரணம் 2
எங்கெங்கிலும் இன்பங்களின் ஆலிங்கனம்
என் உள்ளமும் உன்னோடு தான் சேரும் தினம்
என் ஆசை யாவும் உன்னோடு பின்னும்
என் தேவை யாவும் நீ தந்த பின்னும்
ஏங்கி வாடும் இந்த நேரம் தாங்க வேண்டும்
I just want to restate (BOAST) that the Thamizh lyrics that I'm posting here are probably the best quality (cleaned-up) versions on the web, for most songs!
Hereafter, for these songs, I would strongly recommend using this thread as the first reference. (Please feel free to spread across that point to any of your associates too!)
To that end, I would also request all who read to point out to me any mistakes / blunders found. I would love to fix them at once!
We'll shoot for top quality Thamizh lyrics here!
Yet another dreamy number from the aNNan-thambi isai combo, that makes one float into the clouds! This song has some terrific intoxicating stuff embedded - that the listener tends to forget the surroundings and start taking off from ground slowly!
The movie was the second directorial venture of BR's cameraman Niwas (after the disastrous kallukkuL eeram directing his director). Unfortunately, this too failed to click and he slowly faded out from the scene in course of time. (IIRC, he did a Hindi movie with IR, recycled some TF songs for that etc., but nothing seemed to work positively for his career).
Whatever...rAsA did give him fantastic songs for this EK movie! While GA penned all songs for his first KE movie, this one had only 75% i.e. 3 songs by him - the fourth 'dhAgam edukkuRa' number was by VM. 'dhAgam' was a small change in the scheme of things, i.e. UR solo not written by GA.
As usual, until I saw the vinyl cover today, I didn't credit "O nenjamE" to GA A recent Rex quiz - that's quite popular with IRF's - featured this song but the blog post or comments have no reference to GA, which is typical Well, nanRi musicAlaya! Also, nanRi raaga.com for confirming what's on the disk cover
The pallavi has the GA keyword 'rAgam'. One can also notice 'kOdai(kAlak)kARRil', a minor repeat from panneer pushpagaL that came around the same time. I had this song in a red color INRECO "original" CD with bad quality audio (and used to lament the same way many did in tfmpage). Quality seems to be at "radio broadcast" levels, much the same with the thiraippadal version and youtube as well...but, check out for yourselves...
thiraippAdal : http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0796'&lang=en
youtube:
pAdal varikaL:
பல்லவி
ஓ நெஞ்சமே இது உன் ராகமே
கோடைக்காற்றில் கூடும் கூட்டில்
கொண்டாடிடும் இன்பம் கண்டு ஆடும் பாடும்
சரணம் 1
எண்ணங்களின் வண்ணங்களில் உன் தோற்றமே
என் நெஞ்சிலும் நான் காண்கிறேன் ஓர் மாற்றமே
யாரோடு யாரைக் கை சேர்ப்பதென்று
யார் சொல்லக் கூடும் நம்மோடு இன்று
சேர வேண்டும் ஒன்று சேர்ந்து வாழவேண்டும்
சரணம் 2
எங்கெங்கிலும் இன்பங்களின் ஆலிங்கனம்
என் உள்ளமும் உன்னோடு தான் சேரும் தினம்
என் ஆசை யாவும் உன்னோடு பின்னும்
என் தேவை யாவும் நீ தந்த பின்னும்
ஏங்கி வாடும் இந்த நேரம் தாங்க வேண்டும்
I just want to restate (BOAST) that the Thamizh lyrics that I'm posting here are probably the best quality (cleaned-up) versions on the web, for most songs!
Hereafter, for these songs, I would strongly recommend using this thread as the first reference. (Please feel free to spread across that point to any of your associates too!)
To that end, I would also request all who read to point out to me any mistakes / blunders found. I would love to fix them at once!
We'll shoot for top quality Thamizh lyrics here!
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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
#45 pani mazhai vizhum paruvakkuLir ezhum (enakkAga kAthiru, SPS/DC)
Like I mentioned in the previous post, GA wrote three songs for this Niwas movie and this duet too was quite popular at the time of arrival, frequently getting aired in the radio. During the late 70's and early 80's, SPB's sister was recording many songs with rAsA and had a high hit percentage. She also did a few with other MDs (unlike Jency who worked mostly with rAsA and had only one or two numbers with others).
This song should automatically remind one of Ooty / Kodaikkanal Though a normal spring day in Michigan (well, even some days during summer) is like Ooty weather, one can't help but get into nostalgia of those hills - it was definitely a thrill to be there and spend such chilly nights cuddling with layers! Both the music and lines of this song gets one such a feeling
Listen to the song at thiraippAdal: www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0798'&lang=en
பல்லவி
பனி மழை விழும் பருவக்குளிர் எழும்
சில்லென்ற காற்றாட சேர்ந்த மனம் தானாட
கனவுகளின் ஊர்கோலமே
சரணம் 1
மாறாத காதலுக்குத்தூது செல்லுதே பூ மேகமே
பூவான காதலிக்குச்சேதி சொல்லுதே என் மோகமே
வா வா அன்பே தா தா என்பேன்
நீரோடை போல ஓடும் நெஞ்சோடு காதல் ராகம்
காதில் கேட்கும் கல்யாணத்தாளம்
சரணம் 2
நீங்காமல் வாழுகின்ற காலமென்னுதே என் உள்ளமே
நெஞ்சோடு சேருகின்ற ஆசை கொண்டதே பெண் உள்ளமே
வா வா இன்று நீ தா ஒன்று
எங்கெங்கும் தேவ கானம் என்னுள்ளில் காணும் மோனம்
வாழும் காலம் உன்னோடு சேரும்
youtube :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgpTVbz-q0Y
Like I mentioned in the previous post, GA wrote three songs for this Niwas movie and this duet too was quite popular at the time of arrival, frequently getting aired in the radio. During the late 70's and early 80's, SPB's sister was recording many songs with rAsA and had a high hit percentage. She also did a few with other MDs (unlike Jency who worked mostly with rAsA and had only one or two numbers with others).
This song should automatically remind one of Ooty / Kodaikkanal Though a normal spring day in Michigan (well, even some days during summer) is like Ooty weather, one can't help but get into nostalgia of those hills - it was definitely a thrill to be there and spend such chilly nights cuddling with layers! Both the music and lines of this song gets one such a feeling
Listen to the song at thiraippAdal: www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0798'&lang=en
பல்லவி
பனி மழை விழும் பருவக்குளிர் எழும்
சில்லென்ற காற்றாட சேர்ந்த மனம் தானாட
கனவுகளின் ஊர்கோலமே
சரணம் 1
மாறாத காதலுக்குத்தூது செல்லுதே பூ மேகமே
பூவான காதலிக்குச்சேதி சொல்லுதே என் மோகமே
வா வா அன்பே தா தா என்பேன்
நீரோடை போல ஓடும் நெஞ்சோடு காதல் ராகம்
காதில் கேட்கும் கல்யாணத்தாளம்
சரணம் 2
நீங்காமல் வாழுகின்ற காலமென்னுதே என் உள்ளமே
நெஞ்சோடு சேருகின்ற ஆசை கொண்டதே பெண் உள்ளமே
வா வா இன்று நீ தா ஒன்று
எங்கெங்கும் தேவ கானம் என்னுள்ளில் காணும் மோனம்
வாழும் காலம் உன்னோடு சேரும்
youtube :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgpTVbz-q0Y
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Wow! Some great songs. I don't think I have listened to these songs. Especially Niwas movie. Great going App_engine. I'm enjoying this thread immensely.
Listened to "pani mazhai vizhum paruvakkuLir ezhum" five times already!
I always wondered if Raja was interested in Gamelan music. Looks like they said this will be shot in Indonesia so Raja used Gamelan sound in the intro. It doesn't seem like Raja had access to gamelan instruments but in the prelude, still manages to produce gamelan sound with a single gong (?)
In the second interlude, seems like he used "Kudam" to produce that extra gong touch (overlap). The ending that interlude with another gong-like sound is a nice touch Rasa!
Overall the song has a nice gamelan-like feeling without using the actual gamelan instruments. Only Raja can grasp a genre and project it back using different instruments without losing the essence and native genre feeling.
Btw, very well shot by Niwas. Nice camera movements and use of the setting. Notice how Niwas used almost all low angle shots to make the structures big. He also used the structures to frame the actress and foreshorten the structures in the background. Pleasant direction.
PS: For Gamelan music\sound below:
Listened to "pani mazhai vizhum paruvakkuLir ezhum" five times already!
I always wondered if Raja was interested in Gamelan music. Looks like they said this will be shot in Indonesia so Raja used Gamelan sound in the intro. It doesn't seem like Raja had access to gamelan instruments but in the prelude, still manages to produce gamelan sound with a single gong (?)
In the second interlude, seems like he used "Kudam" to produce that extra gong touch (overlap). The ending that interlude with another gong-like sound is a nice touch Rasa!
Overall the song has a nice gamelan-like feeling without using the actual gamelan instruments. Only Raja can grasp a genre and project it back using different instruments without losing the essence and native genre feeling.
Btw, very well shot by Niwas. Nice camera movements and use of the setting. Notice how Niwas used almost all low angle shots to make the structures big. He also used the structures to frame the actress and foreshorten the structures in the background. Pleasant direction.
PS: For Gamelan music\sound below:
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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
nanRi SenthilVinu for the appreciation as well as the insight on Gamelan music + that film-shooting technique!
It's not surprising to know that 'enakkAga kAthiru' songs aren't very familiar with next gen, given the way the music company treated the tracks over the years
When I bought that RED colored CD by INRECO (Ilayaraja hits) - that fancied songs like ninaivO oru paRavai, germaniyin senthEn malarE, ennuyir nee thAnE etc. - I had high expectations that I'm going to hear the "CD" quality of those songs for the first time. Alas, they weren't any better than what I used to hear in the noisy valve radio those days And the worst was 'O nenjamE' song from this Niwas movie...
In addition, the movie couldn't boast of any long-lasting star actor /tress/director...IR was the lone star and his audio wasn't available in decent quality.
I think it's just because of some old-timers from AM radio era that these songs are still remembered
It's not surprising to know that 'enakkAga kAthiru' songs aren't very familiar with next gen, given the way the music company treated the tracks over the years
When I bought that RED colored CD by INRECO (Ilayaraja hits) - that fancied songs like ninaivO oru paRavai, germaniyin senthEn malarE, ennuyir nee thAnE etc. - I had high expectations that I'm going to hear the "CD" quality of those songs for the first time. Alas, they weren't any better than what I used to hear in the noisy valve radio those days And the worst was 'O nenjamE' song from this Niwas movie...
In addition, the movie couldn't boast of any long-lasting star actor /tress/director...IR was the lone star and his audio wasn't available in decent quality.
I think it's just because of some old-timers from AM radio era that these songs are still remembered
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#46 yAr thoorigai thandha Oviyam (pAru pAru pattaNam pAru, SPB/UR)
Got it covered earlier in the SPB-IR as the first duet hit for this combo. Duly omitted the lyricist as usual then despite the song having some nice, poetic lines! As mentioned in that thread, the song got hosted in the SOTD thread of the tfmpage (that later became part of dhool.com).
thiraippAdal link: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2555'&lang=en
youtube:
பல்லவி
யார் தூரிகை தந்த ஓவியம்
யார் சிந்தனை செய்த காவியம்
புது மாலை தரும் சுகம் சுகம்
கோலமிடும் மேகங்களே
சரணம் 1
கடல் அலைகளின் தாளம் பல ஜதிகளும் தோன்றும்
நினைவினில் ஒரு ராகம் நிதம் பலவித பாவம்
ஆடும் கடல் காற்றும் அங்கு வரும் பாட்டும்
ஓராயிரம் பாவம் ஏற்றுதே
நிதமும் தேடுதே ராகம் பாடுதே
மனதினிலே கனவுகளே வருகிறதே தினம் தினம்
சரணம் 2
சிறு மலர்களின் வாசம் பல கவிதைகள் பேசும்
சில மனங்களின் பாவம் பல நினைவினில் வாழும்
அலை என ஓடும் ஆசை வந்து கூடும்
உன் வானமோ பூவைச்சூடுதே
பல நூறாசைகள் உள்ளிலே ஊறுதே
இள மனதில் புது உறவு தெரிகிறதே தினம் தினம்
Got it covered earlier in the SPB-IR as the first duet hit for this combo. Duly omitted the lyricist as usual then despite the song having some nice, poetic lines! As mentioned in that thread, the song got hosted in the SOTD thread of the tfmpage (that later became part of dhool.com).
thiraippAdal link: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2555'&lang=en
youtube:
பல்லவி
யார் தூரிகை தந்த ஓவியம்
யார் சிந்தனை செய்த காவியம்
புது மாலை தரும் சுகம் சுகம்
கோலமிடும் மேகங்களே
சரணம் 1
கடல் அலைகளின் தாளம் பல ஜதிகளும் தோன்றும்
நினைவினில் ஒரு ராகம் நிதம் பலவித பாவம்
ஆடும் கடல் காற்றும் அங்கு வரும் பாட்டும்
ஓராயிரம் பாவம் ஏற்றுதே
நிதமும் தேடுதே ராகம் பாடுதே
மனதினிலே கனவுகளே வருகிறதே தினம் தினம்
சரணம் 2
சிறு மலர்களின் வாசம் பல கவிதைகள் பேசும்
சில மனங்களின் பாவம் பல நினைவினில் வாழும்
அலை என ஓடும் ஆசை வந்து கூடும்
உன் வானமோ பூவைச்சூடுதே
பல நூறாசைகள் உள்ளிலே ஊறுதே
இள மனதில் புது உறவு தெரிகிறதே தினம் தினம்
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#47 Radha azhaikkiRAL kAdhal rAgal isaikkiRAL
(SJ sweetie from "theRkaththikkaLLan")
This 1988 song from a Vijayakanth movie was a big favourite with all the buses / rentals and such "recorded cassette enthusiasts" in that time period. Why, as one of my associates observed, the song was a big favourite even with the recording centers themselves - who loved playing this nice song (with great audio quality for the time period) in their big music systems to impress not just customers but everyone passing by the road / street!
SJ is in her special elements! For a sample, listen to the eLLal smile at the end of the first line of second saraNam - i.e. just after the "ஊடல் எனும் நாடகம் ஏன் தேவையா?" - teasingly, mockingly she laughs
GA in decent form here - throws in a number of similes / metaphors effortlessly. Though most are time tested ones (like the woman becoming a தோளிலே மாலை or her smile compared to பூ மல்லிகை which are deployed in poems / film songs from time immemorial),the appropriate placement showcases a brilliant song writer! Especially when no compromise is done for the melody or musical sweetness! Quite a neat achievement!
The first line of the pallavi can be called a "reply" to the kavikkuyil song by Panju Arunachalam (chinnakkaNNan angE azhaiththAn, ingE rAdhA azhaikkiRAL) Another interesting thing about the song is a mild Kannadasan flavour where strong adult content is embedded but neither explicitly nor in a tastelessly double meaning way (One gets reminded of 'iLamai enum poongAtRu' which is the best example among movie songs - it describes kalavi only but in a flowery language, tastefully - at the same time, one can listen to the song with absolutely no neLiyal in any setting - because underages / uninitiated and such won't even know it's about 'that' )
பல்லவி
ராதா அழைக்கிறாள்
காதல் ராகம் இசைக்கிறாள் உன்னை ராதா அழைக்கிறாள்
மின்னும் வண்ணக்கண்ணன் தோளிலே மாலையாக
கூடிடும் வேளையாக உன்னை ராதா அழைக்கிறாள்
சரணம் 1
பொட்டு வைத்துப் பார்க்கிறேன் நீ காணவே
பூ மல்லிகையே என் புன்னகையே
மொட்டுவிட்ட பூவை கட்டிக் கொள்ள வா வா
மெட்டி சத்தம் கேட்டு மெட்டுக்கட்டு தேவா
நீயும் நானும் பாலோடு தேனாய்ச்சேர
சரணம் 2
ஊடல் எனும் நாடகம் ஏன் தேவையா?
வா கட்டிக்கொள்ள நீ தொட்டுக்கொள்ள
மின்னல் இடை நோகும் கன்னி இவள் தேகம்
மன்னனுக்கு யோகம் மன்மதனின் யாகம்
பாரம் தீர தோளோடு தோளும் சேர
thiraippadal: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3631'&lang=en
youtube:
(SJ sweetie from "theRkaththikkaLLan")
This 1988 song from a Vijayakanth movie was a big favourite with all the buses / rentals and such "recorded cassette enthusiasts" in that time period. Why, as one of my associates observed, the song was a big favourite even with the recording centers themselves - who loved playing this nice song (with great audio quality for the time period) in their big music systems to impress not just customers but everyone passing by the road / street!
SJ is in her special elements! For a sample, listen to the eLLal smile at the end of the first line of second saraNam - i.e. just after the "ஊடல் எனும் நாடகம் ஏன் தேவையா?" - teasingly, mockingly she laughs
GA in decent form here - throws in a number of similes / metaphors effortlessly. Though most are time tested ones (like the woman becoming a தோளிலே மாலை or her smile compared to பூ மல்லிகை which are deployed in poems / film songs from time immemorial),the appropriate placement showcases a brilliant song writer! Especially when no compromise is done for the melody or musical sweetness! Quite a neat achievement!
The first line of the pallavi can be called a "reply" to the kavikkuyil song by Panju Arunachalam (chinnakkaNNan angE azhaiththAn, ingE rAdhA azhaikkiRAL) Another interesting thing about the song is a mild Kannadasan flavour where strong adult content is embedded but neither explicitly nor in a tastelessly double meaning way (One gets reminded of 'iLamai enum poongAtRu' which is the best example among movie songs - it describes kalavi only but in a flowery language, tastefully - at the same time, one can listen to the song with absolutely no neLiyal in any setting - because underages / uninitiated and such won't even know it's about 'that' )
பல்லவி
ராதா அழைக்கிறாள்
காதல் ராகம் இசைக்கிறாள் உன்னை ராதா அழைக்கிறாள்
மின்னும் வண்ணக்கண்ணன் தோளிலே மாலையாக
கூடிடும் வேளையாக உன்னை ராதா அழைக்கிறாள்
சரணம் 1
பொட்டு வைத்துப் பார்க்கிறேன் நீ காணவே
பூ மல்லிகையே என் புன்னகையே
மொட்டுவிட்ட பூவை கட்டிக் கொள்ள வா வா
மெட்டி சத்தம் கேட்டு மெட்டுக்கட்டு தேவா
நீயும் நானும் பாலோடு தேனாய்ச்சேர
சரணம் 2
ஊடல் எனும் நாடகம் ஏன் தேவையா?
வா கட்டிக்கொள்ள நீ தொட்டுக்கொள்ள
மின்னல் இடை நோகும் கன்னி இவள் தேகம்
மன்னனுக்கு யோகம் மன்மதனின் யாகம்
பாரம் தீர தோளோடு தோளும் சேர
thiraippadal: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3631'&lang=en
youtube:
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We've earlier hosted the classic 'uRavugaL thodarkadhai' in this thread (#12 of the listing).
Interestingly, when jumping through the links in dhool / tfmpage (because V_SJi hosted 'vAzhkkai Odam sella' in the SJ thread), I landed on the tfmpage SOTD link of uRavugaL thodarkadhai :
http://tfmpage.com/forum/23247.20880.03.21.22.html
During those days, bb was an admin at tfmpage.com and was handling the song of the day there (SOTD). He was a connoisseur of music & IMG also an IRF. Nice guy and quite knowledgeable.
Still, look at his statement about the lyricist there :
I just want to post that comment here, to demonstrate how even reasonably informed people never thought GA could've written that song
Another thing to note there is this automatic "benefit of doubt" to Vairamuthu This B&W movie came in 1978 - two years prior to the arrival of VM into the TF field, when Kamal & Rajini were still "upcoming heroes", acting together etc!
However, people from the 90's gen do not want to peer into details as to who could have been the lyricist. They didn't even want to guess whether it could have been Kannadasan, who was quite known for such interesting thaththuvams as 'uRavugaL thodar kadhai, uNarvugaL siru kadhai'!
pOgattum - at least Vaali?
Interestingly, in that same post bb has posted an eloquent writing by MS on the lyrics, with a line by line analysis comparing to Vaali's 'nalam vAzha ennALum en vAzhththukaL'. (BTW, great analysis by MS!) Despite that, bb was guessing it could be VM (and not KD or Vaali, let alone GA)!
That is what I attribute to "ஊடகங்கள் ஊதிப்பெரிதாக்கிய வெறும் மாய பிம்பம்". Even informed people can succumb to such propaganda I'm not singling out bb because such group includes me too (Didn't I argue with genesis in the IR-SPB thread that rAsA did the "VM song" - putham pudhukkAlai - in the Jaya TV concert? I was totally ignorant about the fact that GA wrote the song and automatically assumed it was VM!)
VM - the biggest beneficiery of propaganda machinery of 90's! (Perhaps plum can throw more light on the role KB played in that. From the vinyl covers, I could see that he used VM for ALL songs in the first two movies he did with IR, besides some produced by him as poovilangu. Also, somebody reported that IR-VM ladAi happened during the making of punnagai mannan)...
Interestingly, when jumping through the links in dhool / tfmpage (because V_SJi hosted 'vAzhkkai Odam sella' in the SJ thread), I landed on the tfmpage SOTD link of uRavugaL thodarkadhai :
http://tfmpage.com/forum/23247.20880.03.21.22.html
During those days, bb was an admin at tfmpage.com and was handling the song of the day there (SOTD). He was a connoisseur of music & IMG also an IRF. Nice guy and quite knowledgeable.
Still, look at his statement about the lyricist there :
bb wrote:
The lyrics too are good in this song (Vairamuthu?)
I just want to post that comment here, to demonstrate how even reasonably informed people never thought GA could've written that song
Another thing to note there is this automatic "benefit of doubt" to Vairamuthu This B&W movie came in 1978 - two years prior to the arrival of VM into the TF field, when Kamal & Rajini were still "upcoming heroes", acting together etc!
However, people from the 90's gen do not want to peer into details as to who could have been the lyricist. They didn't even want to guess whether it could have been Kannadasan, who was quite known for such interesting thaththuvams as 'uRavugaL thodar kadhai, uNarvugaL siru kadhai'!
pOgattum - at least Vaali?
Interestingly, in that same post bb has posted an eloquent writing by MS on the lyrics, with a line by line analysis comparing to Vaali's 'nalam vAzha ennALum en vAzhththukaL'. (BTW, great analysis by MS!) Despite that, bb was guessing it could be VM (and not KD or Vaali, let alone GA)!
That is what I attribute to "ஊடகங்கள் ஊதிப்பெரிதாக்கிய வெறும் மாய பிம்பம்". Even informed people can succumb to such propaganda I'm not singling out bb because such group includes me too (Didn't I argue with genesis in the IR-SPB thread that rAsA did the "VM song" - putham pudhukkAlai - in the Jaya TV concert? I was totally ignorant about the fact that GA wrote the song and automatically assumed it was VM!)
VM - the biggest beneficiery of propaganda machinery of 90's! (Perhaps plum can throw more light on the role KB played in that. From the vinyl covers, I could see that he used VM for ALL songs in the first two movies he did with IR, besides some produced by him as poovilangu. Also, somebody reported that IR-VM ladAi happened during the making of punnagai mannan)...
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Nice post app ji on the concerns.
Oh No, that's bad! Even I know when VM came and how long he worked with IR. Definitely VM is very good, but luckily VM is enjoying huge accolades and cross-credits where others should have been credited. People nowadays are becoming theists, believing more what others to say rather than researching themselves.
Oh No, that's bad! Even I know when VM came and how long he worked with IR. Definitely VM is very good, but luckily VM is enjoying huge accolades and cross-credits where others should have been credited. People nowadays are becoming theists, believing more what others to say rather than researching themselves.
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Just to keep the record straight, I must post here that the tfmpage discussion identified GA as the lyricist and helped in increasing the respect bb had for GA, as can be seen from the following course of discussion :
page 1 where the song got hosted
page 2 , discussions on the song
page 3, further discussions on the song
page 4, more
page 5, the lyricist thingy went on for a while there
The following posts are relevant to GA and I'm quoting them here :
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page 1 where the song got hosted
page 2 , discussions on the song
page 3, further discussions on the song
page 4, more
page 5, the lyricist thingy went on for a while there
The following posts are relevant to GA and I'm quoting them here :
tfmpage wrote:
vijay(r) :
The lyricist has to be somone else, not VM I guess, as it was before 1980.
OISG:
bb, Good song and a nice write up by MS.The lyricist was Gangai Amaran!
Udhaya, As a lyricist Won t u accept "Vedhanai Theernthidum" "Venpani Vilagidum" -when you try to console you push in words of optimism and not an uncomfortable "Theeralam ,Vilagalam".
The pallavi is simple and elegant.But the charanams are a bit confusing.
Nadhyile pudhupunal - the joy of the river undoubtedly!
Kadalile kalanthathu - Why use this Eduthukattu Uvamai for "Nam Sondhamo endru enaithathu"?
But setting aside Amaran s wordplay it was IR who just takes over you by the simplicity of the tune- a great one for Piano.An immortal song.
bb:
My respect for Gangai Amaran went up a couple of notches, knowing that he wrote this song!
Saravanan:
bb - Gangai Amaran has written quite a few great lyrics.
bb- GA has penned some great songs- Senthoora poovae, Raman aandaalum, Enullil engo engum geetham, Kaatril endhan geetham, Oru iniya manathu, Kaalai nera poonkuyil-- If only he had restricted himself to lyrics and music, perhaps he would still be in the reckoning--
sabesan:
bb - iam sure u know this, but just in case, the song "Endraikku enindhaa Anandamaeee" in Vaidhegi Kaathirundaaal was also by GA....
interpreter:
From my now-rusting memory, here are some more good lyrics from Gangai Amaran:
thamthana namthana thALam varum (puthiya vArppugaL)
un pArvaiyil OrAyiram (amman kOvil kizhakkAlE) - many people thought it was Vairamuthu
siRu ponmaNi asaiyum athil theRikkum puthu isaiyum (kallukkuL Iram)
maNNil inthak kAdhal inRi yArum (kELadi kaNmaNi)
Also, some "janaranjaga" songs like:
Oram pO Oram pO rukkumaNi vaNdi varuthu (poNNu Urukku puthusu)
aNNE aNNE sippAi aNNE (kOzhi kUvuthu)
vAdi en kappakkezhangE (alaigaL Oivathillai) - not sure about this - can somebody confirm?
Saravanan:
interpreter, yes, vaadi an kapakkizhange was by GA, as was Niththam niththam nellu choru.
Yes, all songs in Amman kovil kizhakkaalae were by GA.
But- mannil indha kaadhal- wasn't that by Pavalar Varadharajan- I remember there was some controversy about it- is it in fact by GA?
Another great GA creation- Poonkathavae thaazhthiravaai--
Prabhu:
3-4 months back, some channel showed some function which GA compered and some singers were present. There was a interesting duet between SPB and GA which went like this:
SPB : tere mere beech mein
GA : naanum neeyum beachiley
SPB: kaisa hai ye bandhan...anajaaaanaa
GA: Sundal vaangalaama, ye maaaama?
SPB: maine nahin aanaa, tu ne nahin jaanaa
GA : .....Dhuttu illayeyyyy, ma!
In another TV xview GA said he'd been MD for upto 90 movies
venkat:
GA is one of the sharp wits on the stages. He had(s) an excellent partnership with SPB and the duo's stage magnetism is great > they can bring humour aliging as parellel or antiparallel poles.
There are several songs where GA shone brilliant. Some of them incl. anthi varum nEram, athikAlai nEramE.
interpreter:
Saravanan, I remember reading an interview of Gangai Amaran, where he said he wrote the song "maNNil inthak kAdhal inRi" with the specific intention of writing a song in the style of his older brother PAvalar VaradarAjan. Also, he said that he wrote "sIr koNdu vA veNmEgamE" (nAn pAdum pAdal) with the intention of writing like his (and probably every lyricist's) idol, KaNNadAsan.
raj:
GA himself had told many times that he wanted to Work with Vaali. He asked vaali whether he can be his Asst. Vaali asked what will u do as an Asst. HE said u tell the lyric i'll Write in paper(he meant Panju Arunachalam)Vaali said that is what i'm doing .. so no Asst. U write individually. U'll come up..
interpreter:
Apparently, Vaali once sought permission from Gangai Amaran to borrow one of GA's ideas in an existing song to pen a new one. The idea is "ninaivAlE aNaiththal". GA used it in "un pArvaiyil OrAyiram" in the lines "nidhamum unnai ninaikkiREn ninaivinAlE aNaikkiREn". Vaali borrowed that idea to write "enai nI thAn pirindhAlum ninaivAlE aNaippEn" in the song "nilAvE vA" from "mouna rAgam". I wonder how thrilled GA was, given what raj said about how GA wanted to be Vaali's assistant.
Saravanan:
interpreter, Thanks for the info on 'Mannil intha kaathal'
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BTW, I'm glad that I've covered almost all the nice songs they've mentioned in that discussion already
I found two yet to be covered :
1. maNNil indhakkAdhal : The vinyl cover at musicalaya too says it's pAvalar, so it cannot be authenticated at this point of time...we should not go by heresay IMHO!
2. adhikAlai nEramE : musicalaya does not have the vinyl cover of the first directorial venture of Pratap Pothen (meeNdum oru kAdhal kadhai). I remember hosting this as 200th song in the IR-SPB thread . Let me look for some authentication on this
I found two yet to be covered :
1. maNNil indhakkAdhal : The vinyl cover at musicalaya too says it's pAvalar, so it cannot be authenticated at this point of time...we should not go by heresay IMHO!
2. adhikAlai nEramE : musicalaya does not have the vinyl cover of the first directorial venture of Pratap Pothen (meeNdum oru kAdhal kadhai). I remember hosting this as 200th song in the IR-SPB thread . Let me look for some authentication on this
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#48 oru kiLiyin thanimaiyilE siRu kiLiyin uRavu (poovizhi vAsalilE, KJY/KSC, thiraippAdal has two versions of the song...: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2802'&lang=en
One of my "bachelor-life-period" favourites This song is non-stop on my headphones at the workplace today! What a lovely drum work for the pallavi! Both KJY & KSC at their sweetest! The song instantly transports me back to the rainy seasons of Palakkad...the tippu fort with its green lawn surrounding right in front of our bachelor lodge comes fresh in my mind as I hear the terrific rendering of "முத்து இரத்தினம் உனக்குச் சூட" by KSC!
I've missed the movie at the time of arrival, despite all my associates talking highly about it. (It goes without saying that the songs were frequently on my walkman, however). A couple of years back, I visited it on the net and felt it was just ok. (OTOH, "en bommukkutty ammAvukku" had many revisits and I simply love that movie). However, considering the praise showered on many unworthy products nowadays, I feel Fazil was extraordinary in getting movie aesthetics those days!
Well, coming to the lyricist topic, here is a song that nicely captures the film story and beautifully places words for the melody! GA can definitely do collar-lift for this exceptional song! The movie situation itself was kind of unique - man, child and then a woman! And all the emotions are nicely captured in the song, with not one taking superior position over another! It's kind of dreamy IMHO... (i.e. pAsam & anbu of two kinds..rather three kinds, between man and kid, between woman and kid and then between man and woman )
Look at the lines:
பல்லவி
ஒரு கிளியின் தனிமையிலே சிறு கிளியின் உறவு
உறவு உறவு உறவு உறவு
இரு கிளிகள் உறவினிலே புதுக்கிளி ஒன்று வரவு
வரவு வரவு வரவு வரவு
விழிகளிலே கனவு மிதந்து வர
உலகமெலாம் நினைவு பறந்து வர
தினம் தினம் உறவு உறவு புதிது புதிது வரவு வரவு
இனிது இனிது கனவு கனவு புதிய கனவு ஆஹா!
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முத்து இரத்தினம் உனக்குச் சூட முத்திரைக் கவி இசைந்து பாட
நித்தம் நித்திரை கரைந்து ஓட சித்தம் நித்தமும் நினைந்து கூட
சிறு மழழை மொழிகளிலே இனிமை தவழ இதயம் மகிழ
இரு மலரின் விழிகளிகலே இரவும் மறைய பகலும் தெரிய
ஆசையால் உனை அள்ள வேண்டும்
அன்பினால் எனைக்கொள்ள வேண்டும்
சேரும் நாள் இதுதான்
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கட்டளைப்படி கிடைத்த வேதம் தொட்டணைப்பதே எனக்குப்போதும்
மொட்டு மல்லிகை எடுத்துத்தூவும் முத்துப்புன்னகை எனக்குப்போதும்
ஒரு இறைவன் வரைந்த கதை புதிய கவிதை இனிய கவிதை
கதை முடிவும் தெரிவதில்லை இளைய மனது இழுத்த கவிதை
பாசம் என்றொரு ராகம் கேட்கும்
பார்வை அன்பெனும் நீரை வார்க்கும்
பாடும் நாள் இதுதான்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmVrmOpLY_g
One of my "bachelor-life-period" favourites This song is non-stop on my headphones at the workplace today! What a lovely drum work for the pallavi! Both KJY & KSC at their sweetest! The song instantly transports me back to the rainy seasons of Palakkad...the tippu fort with its green lawn surrounding right in front of our bachelor lodge comes fresh in my mind as I hear the terrific rendering of "முத்து இரத்தினம் உனக்குச் சூட" by KSC!
I've missed the movie at the time of arrival, despite all my associates talking highly about it. (It goes without saying that the songs were frequently on my walkman, however). A couple of years back, I visited it on the net and felt it was just ok. (OTOH, "en bommukkutty ammAvukku" had many revisits and I simply love that movie). However, considering the praise showered on many unworthy products nowadays, I feel Fazil was extraordinary in getting movie aesthetics those days!
Well, coming to the lyricist topic, here is a song that nicely captures the film story and beautifully places words for the melody! GA can definitely do collar-lift for this exceptional song! The movie situation itself was kind of unique - man, child and then a woman! And all the emotions are nicely captured in the song, with not one taking superior position over another! It's kind of dreamy IMHO... (i.e. pAsam & anbu of two kinds..rather three kinds, between man and kid, between woman and kid and then between man and woman )
Look at the lines:
பல்லவி
ஒரு கிளியின் தனிமையிலே சிறு கிளியின் உறவு
உறவு உறவு உறவு உறவு
இரு கிளிகள் உறவினிலே புதுக்கிளி ஒன்று வரவு
வரவு வரவு வரவு வரவு
விழிகளிலே கனவு மிதந்து வர
உலகமெலாம் நினைவு பறந்து வர
தினம் தினம் உறவு உறவு புதிது புதிது வரவு வரவு
இனிது இனிது கனவு கனவு புதிய கனவு ஆஹா!
சரணம் 1
முத்து இரத்தினம் உனக்குச் சூட முத்திரைக் கவி இசைந்து பாட
நித்தம் நித்திரை கரைந்து ஓட சித்தம் நித்தமும் நினைந்து கூட
சிறு மழழை மொழிகளிலே இனிமை தவழ இதயம் மகிழ
இரு மலரின் விழிகளிகலே இரவும் மறைய பகலும் தெரிய
ஆசையால் உனை அள்ள வேண்டும்
அன்பினால் எனைக்கொள்ள வேண்டும்
சேரும் நாள் இதுதான்
சரணம் 2
கட்டளைப்படி கிடைத்த வேதம் தொட்டணைப்பதே எனக்குப்போதும்
மொட்டு மல்லிகை எடுத்துத்தூவும் முத்துப்புன்னகை எனக்குப்போதும்
ஒரு இறைவன் வரைந்த கதை புதிய கவிதை இனிய கவிதை
கதை முடிவும் தெரிவதில்லை இளைய மனது இழுத்த கவிதை
பாசம் என்றொரு ராகம் கேட்கும்
பார்வை அன்பெனும் நீரை வார்க்கும்
பாடும் நாள் இதுதான்
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmVrmOpLY_g
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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
Wow! what a song. Nice to know the lyricist name at-least now. Yes, beautiful lines. It is very difficult to write for a racy pallavi and for slower charanams, as the start and flow with which you write the pallavi somewhat hampers your thinking when you write for charanams. The thing is charanam lines have come extra-ordinarily well.
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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
#49 dEvanin kOvil moodiya nEram nAnenna kEtpEn deivamE
(aRuvadai nAL, KSC / IR)
: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0311'&lang=en
I don't know how many times I would have played this on my walkman from that sony recorded cassette during the bachelor days - one can use all adjectives to describe this terrific number by IR! The melancholy simply churns / curdles one's heart!
Most of us have possibly read Suka's article in solvanam about this phenomenon (can't reduce this simply to a "film song", it needs better terms for description). Let me reproduce some portions of it for this post :
He nicely gets to the general perception about GA (‘வாடி என் கப்பக்கிழங்கே’ பாடலாசிரியராகவே அதிகமாக அடையாளம் காட்டப்பட்டுவரும்) and then hits a sweet cover drive off of that with this song! He goes on to add some nice references from his associates and let me quote one of them here :
I happened to see this blog that re-posts the solvanam article:
http://venuvanamsuka.blogspot.com/2012/12/blog-post.html
One of the comments from this blog got me romAnjam :
Another blogger refers Suka's post in a different context:
http://www.sasariri.com/2012/11/blog-post_18.html
Finally, this song also got featured in another article in solvanam - this time by Vicky on bass guitar : http://solvanam.com/?p=23134
Let me post the pAdal varikaL & youtube link in another post for this special number
(aRuvadai nAL, KSC / IR)
: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0311'&lang=en
I don't know how many times I would have played this on my walkman from that sony recorded cassette during the bachelor days - one can use all adjectives to describe this terrific number by IR! The melancholy simply churns / curdles one's heart!
Most of us have possibly read Suka's article in solvanam about this phenomenon (can't reduce this simply to a "film song", it needs better terms for description). Let me reproduce some portions of it for this post :
இதுபோல ‘வாடி என் கப்பக்கிழங்கே’ பாடலாசிரியராகவே அதிகமாக அடையாளம் காட்டப்பட்டுவரும் கங்கை அமரனின் மிக முக்கியமான பாடல்களில் ஒன்று ‘தேவனின் கோயில்’. கன்னியாஸ்திரியாக மாறுவதற்கான பயிற்சியில் உள்ள ஒரு பெண் காதல்வயப்படுகிறாள். காதலனுடன் இணைய முடியவில்லை. இதை பாடலின் முதல் வரியிலேயே எவ்வளவு எளிமையாகச் சொல்லிவிடுகிறார்! ‘தேவனின் கோயில் மூடிய நேரம், நான் என்ன கேட்பேன் தெய்வமே!’. காதலனுடன் இணைய முடியாத காதலியை, ‘பிரிந்தே வாழும் நதிக்கரை போல, தனித்தே வாழும் நாயகி’ என்கிறார், கங்கை அமரன். துக்கத்தின் விளிம்பில் நின்று அவள் தன்னைப் பற்றி ’ஒருவழிப்பாதை என் பயணம்’ என்று பாடியபடியே, ’இணைவது எல்லாம் பிரிவதற்காக, இதயங்கள் எல்லாம் மறப்பதற்காக, மறந்தால்தானே நிம்மதி’ விரக்தியின் உச்சத்தைச் சொல்கிறார்
He nicely gets to the general perception about GA (‘வாடி என் கப்பக்கிழங்கே’ பாடலாசிரியராகவே அதிகமாக அடையாளம் காட்டப்பட்டுவரும்) and then hits a sweet cover drive off of that with this song! He goes on to add some nice references from his associates and let me quote one of them here :
ஒருநாள் திரைப்பட இயக்குனரும், நடிகருமான நண்பர் அழகம்பெருமாள் சொன்னார்.
‘வே, அத ஏன் கேக்கேரு? ராத்திரி சரக்கப் போட்டுட்டு ஒளுங்கா மரியாதயா செவனேன்னு கட்டய சாத்துறத விட்டுட்டு தேவனின் கோயில் பாட்டக் கேக்கலாமாய்யா? சவம் காலச் சுத்துன பாம்பா விடிய விடிய கொன்னு எடுத்துட்டுல்லா. படுக்கும் போது மணி என்னங்கேரு? காலைல எட்டர. ஒரு சினிமாப் பாட்டு இப்பிடியாவே மனச அறுக்கும். ச்ச்சை’.
I happened to see this blog that re-posts the solvanam article:
http://venuvanamsuka.blogspot.com/2012/12/blog-post.html
One of the comments from this blog got me romAnjam :
Sankar wrote:
சமீபத்தில் எனது எட்டு வயது மகன், தமிழ் என்றால் என்னவென்றே தெரியாத அவனது நண்பர்களிடம் சொல்லிக்கொண்டிருந்தது தான் உச்சம்... மொஸார்ட்.. விவால்டி..பீத்தோவன் மாதிரி எங்கள் மொழியிலும் இளையராஜா என்று ஒரு கம்போசர் இருக்கிறார், என்று.
Another blogger refers Suka's post in a different context:
http://www.sasariri.com/2012/11/blog-post_18.html
லேட்டஸ்ட் சொல்வனம் இதழில் சுகா எழுதிய தேவனின் கோயில் பதிவைப் படித்த பின்னர்தான் இந்தப் பாடலுக்கு கச்சேரியைத் துவங்குவதற்கு எத்தனை பெரிய தகுதி இருக்கிறது எனப் புரிகிறது. சில விஷயங்களில் உங்களுக்குள் ரசனையை விதைக்கவும் யாரேனும் தேவைப்படுகிறார்கள். இரண்டு நாட்களாக இந்தப் பாடலுடனேயே உழன்று கொண்டிருக்கிறேன்.
என்ன எழுதினாலும் எத்தனை எழுதினாலும் சுகா கடந்த இருபது வருடங்களுக்கும் மேலாக தேக்கி வைத்த ரசனையைக் கொண்டு எழுதியதைப் போல் என்னால் எழுதிவிட முடியாது. எனவே அவர் வரிகளிலேயே இந்தப் பாடலைப் பற்றி படித்து விடுங்கள்.
Finally, this song also got featured in another article in solvanam - this time by Vicky on bass guitar : http://solvanam.com/?p=23134
என்னுள் நீங்காத பாதிப்பை ஏற்படுத்திய பாடல் “தேவனின் கோயில்”. அப்பாடல் பி.எஸ்.ஜி கலைக்கல்லூரியினரால் மேடையில் பாடப்பட்டது.
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கேட்ட மாத்திரத்தில் புல்லரித்தது இன்றும் நன்றாக நினைவிருக்கிறது. இந்திய ஸ்லோகம் போன்ற வரிகளை, மேற்கத்திய செவ்வியல் ஸ்டைலில் அமைத்துப் பாடிய அந்த இசைக்கோர்வை மனதையும், உடலையும் என்னவோ செய்தது. அத்துவக்கத்தைத் தவிரவும், அப்பாடல் இயல்பிலே மிகவும் வித்தியாசமாக இருந்தது. ஏனென்றால் பொதுவாக சந்தோஷப்பாடல்களுக்குப் பயன்படுத்தப்படும் ஸ்கேலிலும், தாளத்திலும் அப்பாடல் அமைக்கப்பட்டிருந்தாலும் பாடலின் மெலடி, வரிகள், இசைக்கோர்வை எல்லாம் சேர்ந்து ஏனோ ஆழ்ந்த சோகத்தைக் கொடுத்தது.
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அத்தருணத்தில் பாடகர், “தந்தன தந்தன தந்தனா…” என்று பாட ஆரம்பித்தார். இப்போது நான் மேடையின் முன்னே ஆடியன்ஸ் தரப்பில் நின்று கொண்டிருந்தேன். பாட்டின் அந்த பகுதியில் நிலைத்துக் கேட்கும் இரண்டு ட்ராக்குகள் பாடகரின் குரலும் பாஸ் கிடாரும் மட்டுமே. அந்த “தந்தனா…” வரிசையாக இடைவெளியில் வைக்கப்பட்டிருந்த தூண் போன்ற ஸ்பீக்கர்கள் மூலம் பரவி, எக்கோ நிரம்பிய 12000 வாட் ஒலியலைகளாகக் காற்றில் கரைந்தது. ஹம்மிங் முடியவும் தொடங்கிய புல்லாங்குழலை பாஸ் கிடாரின் ஆதார சுருதி ஒம்காரமாய் அடக்கி இன்டர்லூடை முடித்தது. மீண்டும் புல்லரித்தது…
அந்த தருணத்தில் நான் எடுத்த முடிவு: “என்னைக்காவது இந்த பாட்டை மெலடி, பாஸ் இரண்டையும் சேத்து ஒண்ணா வாசிக்கனும்டா…”
அந்தக் கனவுதான் சமீபத்தில் நிறைவேறியது.
Let me post the pAdal varikaL & youtube link in another post for this special number
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One commenter to another blog post on dEvanin kOvil says:
Well, such skeptics should hereafter visit our GA thread We have simply too many samples for this talented pAdal Asiriyar
பல்லவி
தேவனின் கோவில் மூடிய நேரம்
நான் என்ன கேட்பேன் தெய்வமே
இன்று என் ஜீவன் தேயுதே
என் மனம் ஏனோ சாயுதே
சரணம் 1:
நானொரு சோக சுமைதாங்கி
துன்பம் தாங்கும் இடிதாங்கி
பிரிந்தே வாழும் நதிக்கரை போல
தனித்தே வாழும் நாயகி
இணைவது எல்லாம் பிரிவதற்காக
இதயங்கள் எல்லாம் மறப்பதற்காக
மறந்தால்தானே நிம்மதி
சரணம் 2:
ஒருவழிப்பாதை என் பயணம்
மனதினில் ஏனோ பல சலனம்
கேட்டால் தருவேன் என்றவன் நீயே
கேட்டேன் ஒன்று தந்தாயா
ஆறுதல் தேடி அலையுது நெஞ்சம்
அழுதிடக்கண்ணில் நீருக்குப்பஞ்சம்
நானோர் கண்ணீர் காதலி
youtube:
Looks like this is merely a title song
(Or is the song not on screen at all and somebody edited for youtube's sake?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mReUJ80KifA
அற்புதமான பாடல் வரிகள் ! லிரிக்ஸ் கங்கை அமரனாம் ! நம்பவே முடியவில்லை! மிக அழகிய லிரிக்ஸ்!
Well, such skeptics should hereafter visit our GA thread We have simply too many samples for this talented pAdal Asiriyar
பல்லவி
தேவனின் கோவில் மூடிய நேரம்
நான் என்ன கேட்பேன் தெய்வமே
இன்று என் ஜீவன் தேயுதே
என் மனம் ஏனோ சாயுதே
சரணம் 1:
நானொரு சோக சுமைதாங்கி
துன்பம் தாங்கும் இடிதாங்கி
பிரிந்தே வாழும் நதிக்கரை போல
தனித்தே வாழும் நாயகி
இணைவது எல்லாம் பிரிவதற்காக
இதயங்கள் எல்லாம் மறப்பதற்காக
மறந்தால்தானே நிம்மதி
சரணம் 2:
ஒருவழிப்பாதை என் பயணம்
மனதினில் ஏனோ பல சலனம்
கேட்டால் தருவேன் என்றவன் நீயே
கேட்டேன் ஒன்று தந்தாயா
ஆறுதல் தேடி அலையுது நெஞ்சம்
அழுதிடக்கண்ணில் நீருக்குப்பஞ்சம்
நானோர் கண்ணீர் காதலி
youtube:
Looks like this is merely a title song
(Or is the song not on screen at all and somebody edited for youtube's sake?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mReUJ80KifA
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what a coinage " kanneer kaadhali" try putting in english - nothing comes even a mile close to the poetry and elegance..
"Tear's lover" (doesnt convey gender - which is very important)
"woman who loves tears"- nah..
the trick is "Aagu peyar" in thamizh - "kanneere uruvaana kaadhali" like magic becomes "Kanneerkkaadhali" - idhukku dhaan solrOm
thamizh oru semmozhinnu. and film lyricists have exploited aagupeyar to the tilt - i must say..
"Tear's lover" (doesnt convey gender - which is very important)
"woman who loves tears"- nah..
the trick is "Aagu peyar" in thamizh - "kanneere uruvaana kaadhali" like magic becomes "Kanneerkkaadhali" - idhukku dhaan solrOm
thamizh oru semmozhinnu. and film lyricists have exploited aagupeyar to the tilt - i must say..
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Prodigious series of posts and information Song of the century! Through this song GA sir has gone really really high. But paattukkum visual'kum suththamaa sambandhamE illayE. I even saw another youtube link for the same song posted by Alex who is a hard-core IR fan. So there is no ambiguity whether this is the title song. Director'kku eppadi thaan manasu vanthuthO, ippadi waste pandrathukku.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv4Yr7m6V5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv4Yr7m6V5s
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Nice post jaiganesh, on the "Agu peyar"
nanRi V_Sji, for the appreciation!
BTW, I'll post song # 50 later today, a mini landmark - most songs picked so far are not from the "perceived-GA-stronghold" area but the "perceived-sophisticated" variety
The 50th is some kind of crossover between these two families, IMO (much like some from kallukkuL eeram). After this sheNbagam, I'll relax the "sophi" criteria a bit but continue to post about big hit numbers that are not offensive to normal sensitivites (means, will continue to avoid the 'yEh AththA' 'ponmEni urugudhE' kinds)...
I already have list of such GA songs that will let this thread cross a century, easily!
And, people still think GA is a lesser lyricist?
pOngayyA!
nanRi V_Sji, for the appreciation!
BTW, I'll post song # 50 later today, a mini landmark - most songs picked so far are not from the "perceived-GA-stronghold" area but the "perceived-sophisticated" variety
The 50th is some kind of crossover between these two families, IMO (much like some from kallukkuL eeram). After this sheNbagam, I'll relax the "sophi" criteria a bit but continue to post about big hit numbers that are not offensive to normal sensitivites (means, will continue to avoid the 'yEh AththA' 'ponmEni urugudhE' kinds)...
I already have list of such GA songs that will let this thread cross a century, easily!
And, people still think GA is a lesser lyricist?
pOngayyA!
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#50 sheNbagamE sheNbagamE thenpodhigai sandhanamE
(enga ooru pAttukkAran, three versions - Sunanada / Mano & Asha Bhosle)
The brief prelude that comes after Ashaji's initial humming never fails to raise goosebumps!
What a song! One of rAsA's career best IMHO!
Another song heard 1000's of times and still feeling fresh, can never have enough...any time I start playing in the car, hand automatically reaches out for repeat button and that status remains for days I'm not ashamed to be called an addict in the case of such rAsA songs - போதை ஏற்றாமலேயே வசப்படுத்துவதில் ராசாவுக்கு இணை இது வரை இல்லை.
Lack of time forces me to cut short the praises (Some may think 'nalla vELai, this fellow gets repetitive / boring' )
GA did both lyric making and direction of 'enga ooru pAttukkAran' - I think the movie was successful, getting Ramarajan the 'pasu nEsan' title and also made him a mainstay in TF in the later part of 80's. Regardless, the album was immensely successful - wherever you travel those days in TN, one cannot escape listening to one song or other from this album. Even 'azhagi nee pErazhagi' and 'jinjenakku jenakku' were heard everywhere!
As some observed in early tfmpage, it was around this time the "sound" of rAsA songs got changed. tablA was significantly different from the 'mudhal mariyAdhai' style. Perhaps synth bass (and more otherwise synth) started getting used. Sound mixing technolgy might have changed. Whatever it was, the listening experience changed totally from this point of time. It became more "headphone friendly" for sure and I thoroughly enjoyed my walkman with the new albums of IR. OTOH, there was this 'ennamO kuRaiyudhu' feeling when listening on buses and thru other PA systems...
I had written in the hub about the 'eLLuppoo' nAsi metaphor which was peculiar (a GA kaNdu pidippu, much like the Elappoo nAsi of aRaichcha sandhanam, another GA kaNdupidippu in later years). This song is both sophi and grAmam. Both joyful and melancholic. Both brilliant and simple...
Getting late...will post pAdal varikaL and the links tomorrow
(enga ooru pAttukkAran, three versions - Sunanada / Mano & Asha Bhosle)
The brief prelude that comes after Ashaji's initial humming never fails to raise goosebumps!
What a song! One of rAsA's career best IMHO!
Another song heard 1000's of times and still feeling fresh, can never have enough...any time I start playing in the car, hand automatically reaches out for repeat button and that status remains for days I'm not ashamed to be called an addict in the case of such rAsA songs - போதை ஏற்றாமலேயே வசப்படுத்துவதில் ராசாவுக்கு இணை இது வரை இல்லை.
Lack of time forces me to cut short the praises (Some may think 'nalla vELai, this fellow gets repetitive / boring' )
GA did both lyric making and direction of 'enga ooru pAttukkAran' - I think the movie was successful, getting Ramarajan the 'pasu nEsan' title and also made him a mainstay in TF in the later part of 80's. Regardless, the album was immensely successful - wherever you travel those days in TN, one cannot escape listening to one song or other from this album. Even 'azhagi nee pErazhagi' and 'jinjenakku jenakku' were heard everywhere!
As some observed in early tfmpage, it was around this time the "sound" of rAsA songs got changed. tablA was significantly different from the 'mudhal mariyAdhai' style. Perhaps synth bass (and more otherwise synth) started getting used. Sound mixing technolgy might have changed. Whatever it was, the listening experience changed totally from this point of time. It became more "headphone friendly" for sure and I thoroughly enjoyed my walkman with the new albums of IR. OTOH, there was this 'ennamO kuRaiyudhu' feeling when listening on buses and thru other PA systems...
I had written in the hub about the 'eLLuppoo' nAsi metaphor which was peculiar (a GA kaNdu pidippu, much like the Elappoo nAsi of aRaichcha sandhanam, another GA kaNdupidippu in later years). This song is both sophi and grAmam. Both joyful and melancholic. Both brilliant and simple...
Getting late...will post pAdal varikaL and the links tomorrow
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Prior to this GA thread exercise, I've seen only a "duet" version of the song on youtube (i.e. a mix of Sunanda and Mano versions).
I've found out that there's this Mano solo version (sheNbagam is the name of the cow and pasu nEsan is singing to milk it).
While Nishanthi appears on the duet, the solo Ashaji version is assigned to azhu moonji Rekha (appropriately) on screen. Well, I shouldn't ridicule Rekha anymore after that nice Vijay TV interview
OK, here are the youtubes of all three (possibly in the order they appear in enga ooru mAttukkAran)
Mano solo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEmkSOGwHA
The duet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxjtTAy4wtQ
sOgam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJw0Sy63Yg
I've found out that there's this Mano solo version (sheNbagam is the name of the cow and pasu nEsan is singing to milk it).
While Nishanthi appears on the duet, the solo Ashaji version is assigned to azhu moonji Rekha (appropriately) on screen. Well, I shouldn't ridicule Rekha anymore after that nice Vijay TV interview
OK, here are the youtubes of all three (possibly in the order they appear in enga ooru mAttukkAran)
Mano solo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEmkSOGwHA
The duet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxjtTAy4wtQ
sOgam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJw0Sy63Yg
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App ji,
Superb post on ShenbagamE ShengagamE. You made my day! Selected apt song for this milestone of #50. Could not believe you hosted 50 songs already, very fast. Nicely described, especially these lines; 'போதை ஏற்றாமலேயே வசப்படுத்துவதில் ராசாவுக்கு இணை இது வரை இல்லை' Even though all three versions are based on same tune, we can never say they are same songs. The way he altered the mood for all three versions and the way GA written lyrics for all these versions, is something which only they can only break, no one else. Mano sang beautifully in solo version, with visual added, the song only got purer. When Ramarajan hugs the calf, definitely makes me more home sick. kaNNellaam jalam. Same way as you observed Asha ji's humming and the flute/guitar following her is absorbing. Similarly, the humming during interlude with guitar, oh heavenly!
In the duet, again I love the visuals equally. When Ramarajan walks the doves fly away, very natural shot. The whole song was brilliantly captured by not so famous cinematographer DayaLan. Very natural conveying the mood easily.
Speaking about the lyrics by GA, I am bowled by the thogaiyara itself and how the last word leads as the first word of pallavi. Bright flute which starts the duet. Wow!
pattu pattu poochi pOla ethanaiyO vaNNam minnum
nattu vachchu naan parikkaa naan vaLartha nandhavanam
katti vaikkum en manasa vaasam varum malligaiyum
thottu thottu naan parikka thudikkidhandha sheNbagam
Listening and watching all three song continuously! SugamO sugam!
Superb post on ShenbagamE ShengagamE. You made my day! Selected apt song for this milestone of #50. Could not believe you hosted 50 songs already, very fast. Nicely described, especially these lines; 'போதை ஏற்றாமலேயே வசப்படுத்துவதில் ராசாவுக்கு இணை இது வரை இல்லை' Even though all three versions are based on same tune, we can never say they are same songs. The way he altered the mood for all three versions and the way GA written lyrics for all these versions, is something which only they can only break, no one else. Mano sang beautifully in solo version, with visual added, the song only got purer. When Ramarajan hugs the calf, definitely makes me more home sick. kaNNellaam jalam. Same way as you observed Asha ji's humming and the flute/guitar following her is absorbing. Similarly, the humming during interlude with guitar, oh heavenly!
In the duet, again I love the visuals equally. When Ramarajan walks the doves fly away, very natural shot. The whole song was brilliantly captured by not so famous cinematographer DayaLan. Very natural conveying the mood easily.
Speaking about the lyrics by GA, I am bowled by the thogaiyara itself and how the last word leads as the first word of pallavi. Bright flute which starts the duet. Wow!
pattu pattu poochi pOla ethanaiyO vaNNam minnum
nattu vachchu naan parikkaa naan vaLartha nandhavanam
katti vaikkum en manasa vaasam varum malligaiyum
thottu thottu naan parikka thudikkidhandha sheNbagam
Listening and watching all three song continuously! SugamO sugam!
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nanRi V_Sji, for the kind words!
The lyrics are overdue, let me post them now
தொகையறா (மனோ பாடுவது, மாட்டுக்காக)
பட்டுப் பட்டு பூச்சி போல
எத்தனையோ வண்ணம் மின்னும்
நட்டு வச்சு நான் பறிக்க
நான் வளத்த நந்தவனம்
கட்டி வைக்கும் என் மனச
வாசம் வரும் மல்லிகையும்
தொட்டுத் தொட்டு நான் கறக்க
துடிக்குதந்த செண்பகமும்
(சுனந்தாவும் பால் கறக்கும் போது தான் பாடுகிறார், ஆனால் பூவை நினைத்து )
பட்டுப் பட்டு பூச்சி போல
எத்தனையோ வண்ணம் மின்னும்
நட்டு வச்சு நான் பறிக்க
நான் வளத்த நந்தவனம்
கட்டி வைக்கும் என் மனச
வாசம் வரும் மல்லிகையும்
தொட்டுத் தொட்டு நான் பறிக்க
துடிக்குதந்த செண்பகமும்
This is quite interesting, one word makes a world of difference And, unless one sees the context (or the youtube), cannot understand why a man would like to "milk" a flower
BTW, one thing that always intrigued me is the use of "பட்டுப்பூச்சி" in the folk language for butterflies. May be to describe the fragile, soft nature of the insect but my student mind kept crying "incorrect, incorrect, that's not silk insect, they should only call it வண்ணத்துப்பூச்சி" during my school days.
We had a small "silk culture" farm in our village (only for a short while before the mulberry farm yielded space for a spinning mill) and I knew that silk is made from the cocoon stage of the "fly" that unfortunately never gets to fly. (Gandhiji reportedly refused to accept a silk-threaded garland because it was made by killing those hundreds of silkworms that could have turned into free-flying moths.)
That way, all those beautiful "pattuppoochchees" that we see around have no connection to the silk sarees
Well, may be the term for butterfiles came about comparing how colorful these insects look, like the colorful women in silk sarees
V_S wrote: The way he altered the mood for all three versions and the way GA written lyrics for all these versions, is something which only they can break, no one else.
The lyrics are overdue, let me post them now
தொகையறா (மனோ பாடுவது, மாட்டுக்காக)
பட்டுப் பட்டு பூச்சி போல
எத்தனையோ வண்ணம் மின்னும்
நட்டு வச்சு நான் பறிக்க
நான் வளத்த நந்தவனம்
கட்டி வைக்கும் என் மனச
வாசம் வரும் மல்லிகையும்
தொட்டுத் தொட்டு நான் கறக்க
துடிக்குதந்த செண்பகமும்
(சுனந்தாவும் பால் கறக்கும் போது தான் பாடுகிறார், ஆனால் பூவை நினைத்து )
பட்டுப் பட்டு பூச்சி போல
எத்தனையோ வண்ணம் மின்னும்
நட்டு வச்சு நான் பறிக்க
நான் வளத்த நந்தவனம்
கட்டி வைக்கும் என் மனச
வாசம் வரும் மல்லிகையும்
தொட்டுத் தொட்டு நான் பறிக்க
துடிக்குதந்த செண்பகமும்
This is quite interesting, one word makes a world of difference And, unless one sees the context (or the youtube), cannot understand why a man would like to "milk" a flower
BTW, one thing that always intrigued me is the use of "பட்டுப்பூச்சி" in the folk language for butterflies. May be to describe the fragile, soft nature of the insect but my student mind kept crying "incorrect, incorrect, that's not silk insect, they should only call it வண்ணத்துப்பூச்சி" during my school days.
We had a small "silk culture" farm in our village (only for a short while before the mulberry farm yielded space for a spinning mill) and I knew that silk is made from the cocoon stage of the "fly" that unfortunately never gets to fly. (Gandhiji reportedly refused to accept a silk-threaded garland because it was made by killing those hundreds of silkworms that could have turned into free-flying moths.)
That way, all those beautiful "pattuppoochchees" that we see around have no connection to the silk sarees
Well, may be the term for butterfiles came about comparing how colorful these insects look, like the colorful women in silk sarees
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BTW, there's no "thogaiyaRA" for the Ashaji version. IR chose to have a lovely humming to replace it (not easy to sing by bathroom singers ), possibly for the sake of that mild tinge of melancholy. Not overly emotional or dramatic but a very soft sadness, even sounding "pleasant" (sugamAna sOgam, i.e. to the listeners of the song).
The next section seems to be common to all the three versions...wait a minute, there's a very small but "may-be-intentional" difference between the female versions and the male version of the pallavi :
பல்லவி (ஆண்)
செண்பகமே செண்பகமே
தென்பொதிகை சந்தனமே
தேடி வரும் என் மனமே
சேர்ந்திருந்தால் சம்மதமே
That particular word is pronounced "எம்" in both the female versions
Could it be to indicate that the man will have more than one girl in the story and hence IR-GA combo wanted to have the female version use a plural word? (Well, the 'mariyAdhaippanmai' is quite common in all our languages, especially Thamizh, so it won't be odd even otherwise. Just a small speculation )
BTW, sheNbagam is a flower with such a strong fragrance and there's no wonder the poet chose to associate it with sandhanam in the second line. As most of us know, smell can bring nostalgia (and take our memories to places etc), these first two lines are quite lovely to be placed in a love song - quite some romance there
It's quite interesting to also note that there are many references to this flower during my student days :
-1980 movie " geethA oru sheNbagappoo"
-Sujatha novel (later made into movie with IR music) "karaiyellAm sheNbagappoo"
-Even a brief reference by Kalki becomes blogging material here
Those who are interested in flowers / botony / maruththuvam etc may be interested in checking the following links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnolia_champaca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelia
http://pettagum.blogspot.com/2011/09/blog-post_23.html
The next section seems to be common to all the three versions...wait a minute, there's a very small but "may-be-intentional" difference between the female versions and the male version of the pallavi :
பல்லவி (ஆண்)
செண்பகமே செண்பகமே
தென்பொதிகை சந்தனமே
தேடி வரும் என் மனமே
சேர்ந்திருந்தால் சம்மதமே
That particular word is pronounced "எம்" in both the female versions
Could it be to indicate that the man will have more than one girl in the story and hence IR-GA combo wanted to have the female version use a plural word? (Well, the 'mariyAdhaippanmai' is quite common in all our languages, especially Thamizh, so it won't be odd even otherwise. Just a small speculation )
BTW, sheNbagam is a flower with such a strong fragrance and there's no wonder the poet chose to associate it with sandhanam in the second line. As most of us know, smell can bring nostalgia (and take our memories to places etc), these first two lines are quite lovely to be placed in a love song - quite some romance there
It's quite interesting to also note that there are many references to this flower during my student days :
-1980 movie " geethA oru sheNbagappoo"
-Sujatha novel (later made into movie with IR music) "karaiyellAm sheNbagappoo"
-Even a brief reference by Kalki becomes blogging material here
Those who are interested in flowers / botony / maruththuvam etc may be interested in checking the following links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnolia_champaca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelia
http://pettagum.blogspot.com/2011/09/blog-post_23.html
Michelia champaca L. Champak. Native to India, Java, and the Philippines. A tree or shrub which grows from 3 to 6 meters high and wide. Glossy bright green leaves to 16 cm. Produces fragrant orange, yellow, or creamy white flowers in the spring. The flowers of this plant produce an essential oil that is used in perfume.
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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
The first saraNam is ditto in the Mano & Sunanda versions :
சரணம் 1
உன் பாதம் போகும் பாதை நானும் போக வந்தேனே
உன் மேலே ஆசைப்பட்டு பாத்துக்காத்து நின்னேனே
உன் முகம் பார்த்து நிம்மதி ஆச்சு
என் மனம் தானாப்பாடிடலாச்சு
என்னோட பாட்டுச்சத்தம் தேடும் உன்னைப்பின்னாலே
எப்போதும் உன்னைத்தொட்டு பாடப்போறேன் தன்னாலே
The first line of the saraNam has such an universal melodic appeal! I remember often posting about my earlier teammate from Assam who used to frequently sing that line (i.e. at the workplace, every now and then) and slAgiththufy that part!
Even from a poem viewpoint, that first line two lines are so lovely! Of course, that is not a new thought in this song - it had been there from unknown times. Even in TFM, we fondly remember PBS singing that "நீ போகுமிடமெல்லாம் நானும் வருவேன் போ போ போ" which is somewhat short-term in nature compared to this "போகும் பாதை"
Those two first lines are so nice that the IR-GA combo chose to retain for the pathos version too. Ashji's version has the same first three lines. There's a minor change in the fourth line, from "தானாப்பாடிடலாச்சு" to "ஏனோ or ஏதோ பாடிடலாச்சு" (Asha sings it quite unclear). The fifth line is same but the last line is significantly different, showing the longing and sOgam of the girl :
எப்போ நீ என்னைத்தொட்டு பேசப்போறே முன்னாலே (from the video it looks like Rekha is the wife singing and Ramarajan possibly got forced into that marriage, still remembering his old love and unwilling to consummate the new union).
Simple but nice writing by GA!
சரணம் 1
உன் பாதம் போகும் பாதை நானும் போக வந்தேனே
உன் மேலே ஆசைப்பட்டு பாத்துக்காத்து நின்னேனே
உன் முகம் பார்த்து நிம்மதி ஆச்சு
என் மனம் தானாப்பாடிடலாச்சு
என்னோட பாட்டுச்சத்தம் தேடும் உன்னைப்பின்னாலே
எப்போதும் உன்னைத்தொட்டு பாடப்போறேன் தன்னாலே
The first line of the saraNam has such an universal melodic appeal! I remember often posting about my earlier teammate from Assam who used to frequently sing that line (i.e. at the workplace, every now and then) and slAgiththufy that part!
Even from a poem viewpoint, that first line two lines are so lovely! Of course, that is not a new thought in this song - it had been there from unknown times. Even in TFM, we fondly remember PBS singing that "நீ போகுமிடமெல்லாம் நானும் வருவேன் போ போ போ" which is somewhat short-term in nature compared to this "போகும் பாதை"
Those two first lines are so nice that the IR-GA combo chose to retain for the pathos version too. Ashji's version has the same first three lines. There's a minor change in the fourth line, from "தானாப்பாடிடலாச்சு" to "ஏனோ or ஏதோ பாடிடலாச்சு" (Asha sings it quite unclear). The fifth line is same but the last line is significantly different, showing the longing and sOgam of the girl :
எப்போ நீ என்னைத்தொட்டு பேசப்போறே முன்னாலே (from the video it looks like Rekha is the wife singing and Ramarajan possibly got forced into that marriage, still remembering his old love and unwilling to consummate the new union).
Simple but nice writing by GA!
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Re: Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo
The second stanza is same in the Mano & Sunanda versions but it got totally changed for the Ashaji version (situational).
Let's look at the lines (well, this is where we get that "eLLuppoo" nAsi ):
சரணம் 2 (மனோ)
மூணாம்பிறையைப் போலக்காணும் நெற்றிப் பொட்டோட
நானும் கலந்திருக்க வேணும் இந்தப் பாட்டோட
கருத்தது மேகம் தலைமுடி தானோ
இழுத்தது என்ன பூவிழி தானோ
எள்ளுப்பூ நாசி பத்திப் பேசிப்பேசித்தீராது
உன் பாட்டுக்காரன் பாட்டு உன்னை விட்டுப் போகாது
Mano himself sings the last line in the Sunantha version ; accordingly, they retained "உன் பாட்டுக்காரன்" without change Well, that makes it a duet version (and not a solo Sunanda version).
பூ வைச்சுப் பொட்டும் வைச்சு மேளம் கொட்டிக் கல்யாணம்
பூ மஞ்சம் போட்டுக் கூட எங்கே அந்த சந்தோசம்?
உன் அடி தேடி நான் வருவேனே
உன் மடி பார்த்து நான் இருப்பேனே
ராஜாவே உன்னைத்தொட்டு நானும் வாழ மாட்டேனா?
என் வீட்டுக்காரர் பாட்டும் காதில் கேட்க மாட்டேனா?
It clearly shows a wife who is longing for the love of the veettukkArar (hubby).
Traditional "story-telling" style song, deployed in TF those days
thiraippadal link for all the three : http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0838','SNGIRR0839','SNGIRR0840'&lang=en
Let's look at the lines (well, this is where we get that "eLLuppoo" nAsi ):
சரணம் 2 (மனோ)
மூணாம்பிறையைப் போலக்காணும் நெற்றிப் பொட்டோட
நானும் கலந்திருக்க வேணும் இந்தப் பாட்டோட
கருத்தது மேகம் தலைமுடி தானோ
இழுத்தது என்ன பூவிழி தானோ
எள்ளுப்பூ நாசி பத்திப் பேசிப்பேசித்தீராது
உன் பாட்டுக்காரன் பாட்டு உன்னை விட்டுப் போகாது
Mano himself sings the last line in the Sunantha version ; accordingly, they retained "உன் பாட்டுக்காரன்" without change Well, that makes it a duet version (and not a solo Sunanda version).
பூ வைச்சுப் பொட்டும் வைச்சு மேளம் கொட்டிக் கல்யாணம்
பூ மஞ்சம் போட்டுக் கூட எங்கே அந்த சந்தோசம்?
உன் அடி தேடி நான் வருவேனே
உன் மடி பார்த்து நான் இருப்பேனே
ராஜாவே உன்னைத்தொட்டு நானும் வாழ மாட்டேனா?
என் வீட்டுக்காரர் பாட்டும் காதில் கேட்க மாட்டேனா?
It clearly shows a wife who is longing for the love of the veettukkArar (hubby).
Traditional "story-telling" style song, deployed in TF those days
thiraippadal link for all the three : http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0838','SNGIRR0839','SNGIRR0840'&lang=en
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