Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo

app_engine Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:10 pm

During the recent NEPV launch function, if one person was really missed by me, it was Gangai Amaran enRa Amar Singh, younger brother of rAsA. When relatively not-so-great-contibutors-to-rAsA-music were asked for their fav song, this director - who got such gems as EdhO mOgam, sheNbagamE & mAnguyilE from IR didn't find favor with Gautam.

Not just there, he had not been given due honor anywhere on the net it appears Sad

Look at his wikipedia page, which is quite pathetic!

I don't remember myself posting many nice things about this talented guy, among my 1000's of indulgences at tfmpage and elsewhere Embarassed

Neither do I read nice things about him that often on the net!

I don't know why such treatment to such a talented artist, that too the younger bro of maestro Embarassed

May be he talked too much on occasions that irritated some IRFs...or, there had been some issue between brothers that pushed him out of the limelight...or, while his not-so-great lyrics were easily attached to his name, his really nice ones (and hits) weren't clearly credited to him by masses (and thus robbed him of the deserved recognition)...

Whatever, after learning last evening that 'putham puthukkAlai' was by him, there was a sudden pang of guilt within me and I've decided to do some parihAram / prAyaschiththam!

That's why this thread Smile

I'm resolved to post AT LEAST 100 medium sized posts on this guy here!

Appreciating this multi-faceted talent, the தம்பி தங்கக்கம்பி of rAsA!

V_Sji wrote:
List of films GA worked with IR.

1 chidambarathil oru appasamy
2 annan
3 thodarum
4 pooncholai
5 punniyavathi
6 chinna maaple
7 dharma seelan
8 dhruva natchathiram
9 ezhai jaathi
10 kovil kaalai
11 paarvathi ennai paaradi
12 agni paarvai
13 aavarampoo
14 chinnavar
15 deiva vaaku
16 maappillai vanthaachu
17 pangaali
18 ponnuketha purushan
19 naangal
20 puthiya swarangal
21 rickshaw mama
22 singaravelan
23 thaai mozhi
24 thirumathi palanisamy
25 unnai nenachen paatu padichen
26 va va vasanthame
27 ulle veliye
28 vanna vanna pookal
29 villupattukaaran
30 brahma
31 chinna thambi
32 dharma durai
33 eeramana rojave
34 irumbu pookal
35 paandi durai
36 sami potta mudichu
37 thambi pondatti
38 thambikku oru paattu
39 thanga manasukkaran
40 vetri karangal
41 amman kovil thiruvizha
42 en uyir thozhan
43 kavithai paadum alaigal
44 keladi kanmani
45 mallu veti minor
46 mounam sammadham
47 my dear marthandan
48 ooru vittu ooru vandhu
49 paattukku naan adimai
50 periya veettu pannakaaran
51 pudhu paattu
52 pondatti thevai
53 siraiyil pootha chinna malar
54 thaalaattu paada vaa
55 anbu kattalai
56 annanukku jey
57 chinnappa das
58 dharmam vellum
59 enga ooru maappillai
60 karagaattakaaran
61 maappillai
62 ninaivu chinnam
63 paasa mazhai
64 paattukku oru thalaivan
65 paandi naattu thangam
66 pick pocket
67 pongi varum kaaveri
68 ponmana selvan
69 raja rajathan
70 rajadhi raja
71 thangamaana raasa
72 thiruppu munai
73 vaathiyaar veettu pillai
74 vetri vizha
75 dharmathin thalaivan
76 en bommu kutti ammaavukku
77 enga ooru kaavakkaaran
78 enna petha raasa
79 irandil ondru
80 naan sonnathe sattam
81 paasa paravaigal
82 poonthotta kavalkaran
83 raasave unnai nambi
84 sakkarai panthal
85 shenbagame shenbagame
86 soora samhaaram
87 dhaayam onnu
88 anand
89 enga ooru paattukaaran
90 giramathu minnal
91 illam
92 jallikkattu
93 kaadhal parisu
94 ninaive oru sangeetham
95 rettai vaal kuruvi
96 theertha karaiyinile
97 dhoorathu pachai
98 amman kovil kizhkkaale
99 aruvadai naal
100 december pookal
101 enakku naane neethipathi
102 iravu pookkal
103 isai paadum thendral
104 kadalora kavithaigal
105 kalyana kacheri
106 kannukku mai ezhuthu
107 kumbakkarai thangaiyya
108 maaveeran
109 mudhal vasantham
110 neethaana antha kuyil
111 paaru paaru pattanam paaru
112 paalaivana rojaakkal
113 pudhir
114 thazhuvaatha kaigal
115 unakkaagave vaazhgiren
116 vidinja kalyanam
117 vikram
118 anbin mugavari
119 andh oru numidam
120 hello yaar pesarathu
121 kanni raasi
122 kunguma chimizh
123 meendum oru kaathal kathai
124 meendum parasakthi
125 naan sigappu manithan
126 nall thambi
127 neethiyin maruppakkam
128 padikkaathavan
129 padikkaatha pannaiyaar
130 pagal nilavu
131 un kannil neer vazhinthaal
132 unnai thedi varuven
133 urimai
134 eetti
135 anbulla malare
136 ingeyum oru gangai
137 kai kodukkum kai
138 komberi mookkan
139 naalai unathu naal
140 naan paadaum paadal
141 nee thodum pothu
142 neengal kettavai
143 neram nalla neram
144 niyaayam
145 oh maane maane
146 pozhuthu vidinchaachu
147 vaidhegi kaathirunthaal
148 aanandha gummi
149 antha sila naatkal
150 aayiram nilave vaa
151 devi sridevi
152 ilamai kaalangal
153 indru nee naalai naan
154 inimai itho itho
155 jothi
156 kokkarakko
157 malargal nanaigindrana
158 malayoor mambattian
159 mann vaasanai
160 mella pesungal
161 oppantham
162 raagangal maaruvathillai
163 thangamadi thangam
164 ullam uruguthadi
165 veetla raaman veliyile krishnan
166 vellai roja
167 aagaya gangai
168 aananda raagam
169 bagavathipuram railway gate
170 eera vizhi kaaviyangal
171 raaja gopuram
172 en selvame
173 ethanai konam ethanai paarvai
174 kavithai malar
175 kozhi koovuthu
176 manjal nila
177 moondram pirai
178 payanangal mudivathillai
179 raani theni
180 thooral ninnu pochu
181 vaalibame vaa vaa
182 alaigal oiyvathillai
183 ilaiyaraajavin rasigai
184 indro poi naalai vaa
185 kadal meengal
186 karaiyellam shenbagapoo
187 metti
188 nandu
189 oomai ullangal
190 panneer pushpangal
191 pattanam pogalam vaa
192 raaja paarvai
193 aayiram vaasal ithayam
194 ellaam un kairaasi
195 enakkaaga kaathiru
196 giramathu adhyayam
197 ilamai kolam
198 johnny
199 kallukkul eeram
200 karumbu vil
201 malargale malarungal
202 moodupani
203 nadhiyai thedi vantha kadal
204 nenjathai killadhe
205 nizhalgal
206 agal vilakku
207 lakshmi
208 manippoor maamiyaar
209 mugathil mugam paarkalaam
210 ponnu oorukku puthusu
211 puthiya vaarpugal
212 rosappoo ravikkaikaari
213 aval appadithaan
214 aval oru pachai kuzhathai
215 kizhakke pogum rayil
216 mullum malarum
217 shankarlal
218 16 vayathinile
219 panchami
220 thaayammaa

**V_S** Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:17 pm

App,
This is excellent. cheers

Definitely you brought forward one of the most deserved person and talent in TFI. As you said, it is embarrassing on why we have not talked much about him, except when finding answers on who was the lyricist for a particular song and then left him aside. You are doing a marvelous job and this thread should be a great tribute to his amazing talent!

app_engine Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:33 pm

Those were the days when the saying 'தம்பி உடையான் படைக்கஞ்சான்' was applicable to rAsA. (I don't know the origins of this pazha mozhi but a quick browsing shows that both AththikarkaL & nAththikarkaL have happily embraced this pazhanchol Smile

While the former group applies this to Ram-Lakshman, one of the known members of the latter group - K Veeramani - too happily uses it in one of his appeals to DMK Laughing

Also, one can hear this frequently used among 'udan piRappukaL'.)

Well, during their struggling days in Madras, i.e. prior to IR hitting it big, the three brothers were close together and engaged in various forms of musical work as one can read from the variety of accounts about IR. After annakkiLi, GA was perhaps serving as some kind of assistant / instrument player in the IR gang , while having the song-writing fire inside.

Once GA's film-song-writing ability got clearly identified, opportunities started to flow and hit songs abounded. That was the skillset that brought him fame initially. So, while GA had definite success also as a film director & music director, our initial focus on him will be as a lyricist.

I would like to initially highlight some nice songs - that people often do not associate with him due to the general mindset that he was a dappAnguththu pAdalAsiriyar Embarassed

Opening with my find of yesterday - புத்தம் புதுக்காலை!

All along I thought that this was by VM and never bothered to check the credits in authentic places. Actually a number of websites too credit this song to VM. That VM opened with pon mAlaippozhudhu in nizhalkaL perhaps influenced my thoughts that he complemented it with puthukkAlai. Well, now we know who is TFM's morning star Smile

Simple but very sweet lines! IR should have been mighty impressed that he chose to give terrific orchestration! (Per IR's rhythm section in-charge, Puru, there was some rush & struggle at customs to get the then-latest-imported-drum-tool that got used in this movie...that new toy generated some sounds we enjoy in this number).

SJ gave some lovely expressions in this song, making one feel the chilly morning breeze caressing the face! Though BR couldn't place it on-screen, the song had become an evergreen classic in the minds of TFM lovers!

பல்லவி:

புத்தம் புதுக்காலை, பொன்னிற வேளை
என் வாழ்விலே தினம் தோறும் தோன்றும்!
சுக ராகம் கேட்கும்!
எந்நாளும் ஆனந்தம்!

சரணம் 1:

பூவில் தோன்றும் வாசம் - அது தான் ராகமோ?
இளம் பூவை நெஞ்சில் தோன்றும் - அது தான் தாளமோ?
மனதின் ஆசைகள் மலரின் கோலங்கள்
குயிலோசையின் பரிபாஷைகள் அதிகாலையின் வரவேற்புகள்

சரணம் 2:

வானில் தோன்றும் கோலம் அதை யார் போட்டதோ?
பனி வாடை வீசும் காற்றில் சுகம் யார் சேர்த்ததோ?
வயதில் தோன்றிடும் நினைவில் ஆனந்தம்!
வளர்ந்தோடுது இசை பாடுது வழிந்தோடிடும் சுவை கூடுது!

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0158'&lang=en

Per Jaya TV program, this number was composed for a Mahendran movie (called marudhANi) and BR borrowed it...KSC singing that number was on youtube and posted when the thread got opened, however that link is no longer active Embarassed

However, since the song got featured in a new movie 'mEghA' and the youtube got over 10 million hits (as of June 2016), let me include that link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRWj5knSvC0

Definitely one song that GA can always be proud of!

mythila Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:40 pm

An active thread for GA was long overdue and its nice to see a new one for him.

I used to feel this talented guy did not take himself so seriously and this hypocrisy filled industry also took him light after the tides turned in the 90's. Couple of years back during the Vaalee felicitation, Vaalee remarked about GA , " engeyO poirukka vEndiyavan edhulayum theeviram illAdhadhu nAlla thaan ippidi...."

SenthilVinu Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:38 pm

Well done. He deserves it. Yes his focus was off but i have a soft spot for him. T.Rajendar is another guy I have softer spot for.

Who can forgot Senthoora Poove? That changed the industry commercially? He predates VM with infusing new words in lyrics although he followed the basic style of KD and Vaali. He also supposedly wrote Mannil Indha Kadhalandri but credited to his elder bro as a homage/respect?

Coming to "Putham puthukkAlai", it is one of my all time fav.

And my fav lines...
பூவில் தோன்றும் வாசம் - அது தான் ராகமோ?
இளம் பூவை நெஞ்சில் தோன்றும் - அது தான் தாளமோ?

And...
குயிலோசையின் பரிபாஷைகள் அதிகாலையின் வரவேற்புகள் (Such a beautiful line! In someways I wish the words weren't split the way it is in the song.)

app_engine Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:00 pm

We often hear on-screen dialogs where characters mention celebrities (like Raja / Rahman / Kannadasan / Vairamuthu). Deservingly so in many cases, especially when done in correct dosage. Obviously, there're also cases of overdose - during late 80's, there was too much of rAsA-pugazh by characters on screen. Like that, after the reincarnation of VM with the advent of ARR, too much usage of VM-name too (by the likes of Vivek - 'coat-suit pOtta Vairamuthu', he calls Rajini in Sivaji). A recent case of mild-overdose of rAsA name is in NEPV (including some promotional videos) - of which the reference by Jeeva in the bus in the middle of 'ennOdu vA vA' song was quite irritating to me.

Well, either way, this poor kavingar GA - who gave so many hits, never had such mention of him - despite having a successful director as his son Embarassed

avaru wikipedia irukka latchanam pArththAlE theriyudhu how much Venkatprabhu & Premji boys care for their dad & his name on the net! (Well, after our thread runs to 100 posts or more, we'll request our regularly-tweeting friends to tweet those fellows to look at this izhai...not now Smile

)

There was this huge hit a few years back, Subramaniyapuram, that had retro-sets, scenes, Madurai situations etc and one IR song got played almost in toto! The song, 'siRu ponmaNi asaiyum', was only mildly popular at the time of arrival - few radio broadcasts, few tea shop listens etc. OTOH, the re-invention got phenomenal amount of TV-time and got a lot talked about! One can even say that it started a new trend - of having some IR song or other in every new movie! That is, until rAsA stopped it by invoking some copyright bayamuRuththal (unnecessarily, IMHO, as either way he isn't getting any revenue out of those songs...the illegal usage at least kept reminding people how awesome his songs were / are, ippO adhuvum pOchchu)! I wish the gov pays some huge sum to IR and makes all his songs (i.e. until now) as 'nAttudamai'!

Well, 'siRu ponmaNi' in subramani, apart from reviving the nostalgia, also suited the situation very well - as the pallavi lines refer to the precious body part - EYES - and the song on-screen too had the heroini's eyes in the primary focus Laughing

enna irundhu, enna prayOjanam? Was there any mention of our thread nAyakan on-screen, when his precious lines got played? No! pOgattum, at least did majority of people know that it was penned by him? I don't think so - it's known only to very few people IMHO - like some tfmpage regulars. I won't be surprised a bit if some blogger talks about how VM cleverly brings his wife's name in the song etc (even though we know he hadn't entered the field yet Laughing

)...

What a beauty of a song! GA being also a musical, perfectly fits the words to his brother's awesome melody - making it unnecessary to stretch syllables. No use of irritating & inappropriate adukkuththodarkaL (compare with the poopy 'pooppoovAy pooppoovAy' in that awesome munbE vA song).

thiraippAdal link of the song (lovely singing by IR-SJ and awesome prelude / interludes & terrific custom percussion + bass loop as background) :

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1450'&lang=en

Let's enjoy the lovely construction of words :

பல்லவி:

சிறு பொன்மணி அசையும் அதில் தெறிக்கும் புது இசையும்
இரு கண்மணி பொன்னிமைகளில் தாள லயம்
நிதமும் தொடரும் கனவும் நினைவும் இது மாறாது
ராகம் தாளம் பாவம் போல நானும் நீயும் சேர வேண்டும்

சரணம் 1:

விழியில் சுகம் பொழியும் இதழ் மொழியில் சுவை வழியும்
எழுதும் வரை எழுதும் இனிப் புலரும் பொழுதும்

தெளியாதது எண்ணம் கலையாதது வண்ணம்
அழியாதது அடங்காதது அணை மீறிடும் உள்ளம்
வழி தேடுது விழி வாடுது கிளி பாடுது உன் நினைவினில்

சரணம் 2:

நதியும் முழு மதியும் இரு இதயம் தனில் பதியும்
ரதியும் அதன் பதியும் பெறும் சுகமே உதயம்

விதை ஊன்றிய நெஞ்சம் விளைவானது மஞ்சம்
கதை பேசுது கவி பாடுது கலந்தால் சுகம் மிஞ்சும்
உயிர் உன் வசம் உடல் என் வசம் பயிரானது உன் நினைவுகள்

Youtube of the original song, featuring BR & Aruna:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wCz9LBwE3I

The more enjoyable (IMO) version, from the Sasikumar movie:

rajkumarc Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:43 pm

Fantastic and much needed thread App. Respect grows multi-fold for GA after knowing his lyrical contributions for some evergreen IR songs. I usually don't pay much attention to lyrics as I'm usually immersed in IR's tunes or orchestration or the singers' renditions. Inspite of all that, I have admired the lyrics of Putham Puthu kaalai and to know that its penned by GA makes me want to keep note of the lyrics of his other songs as well.

**groucho070** Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:11 pm

app, just saw this thread. vEnum, vEnum, innum vEnum...

Most of us just remember him as emcee/jester. He is funny, yes, but he is also a competent director/composer/lyricisit. Multiple talented-man. And if am not mistaken, it was him who recommended his brother to Barathi/Vasu (the then assistants of mighty MSV-loyalist Sridhar) for Ilamai OonjalAdugirathu.

He is just happy to be in the shadow of his much more successful brother. I recall back in late 80s when IR was doing concert in Singapore. Watched it on TV, and GA, who was also the emcee, after singing PoojakEtra poovithu, kidded with the audience, asking if they liked the singing. After great applause, he said (paraphrasing), "Innum avarkitta enakku athikamA chance kodukka sollungga!", and crowd went wild with laughter.

I don't know what tiff he had with IR, but he seemed to be always in awe of his brother, maybe that what made him stay where he was when he too could have gone places. Not near his brother, but at least ahead of the other bloody pretenders. Or maybe, he just had too many interests, to focus on one.

sagi Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:20 pm

app_engine wrote: A recent case of mild-overdose of rAsA name is in NEPV (including some promotional videos) - of which the reference by Jeeva in the bus in the middle of 'ennOdu vA vA' song was quite irritating to me.

Eh?! Much needed and idhellaam paththaadhu. We should keep reminding these GVP/Harris fans.

app_engine wrote: That is, until rAsA stopped it by invoking some copyright bayamuRuththal (unnecessarily, IMHO, as either way he isn't getting any revenue out of those songs...the illegal usage at least kept reminding people how awesome his songs were / are, ippO adhuvum pOchchu)!

I think this was only to his songs being used as part of the soundtrack itself. Like the rework of Aaasai Nooru Vagai in an RGV film. Even in the latest film I saw NKPK, half of edhO mOgam was played. Actually this is one of the reasons I see almost all films of this 'new wave' thamizh directors. And more often than not these Raaja songs get better videos Laughing

Anyway great thread. Sorry for the disturbance.

jaiganesh Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:30 pm

SenthilVinu wrote:Well done. He deserves it. Yes his focus was off but i have a soft spot for him. T.Rajendar is another guy I have softer spot for.

Who can forgot Senthoora Poove? That changed the industry commercially? He predates VM with infusing new words in lyrics although he followed the basic style of KD and Vaali. He also supposedly wrote Mannil Indha Kadhalandri but credited to his elder bro as a homage/respect?

Coming to "Putham puthukkAlai", it is one of my all time fav.

And my fav lines...
பூவில் தோன்றும் வாசம் - அது தான் ராகமோ?
இளம் பூவை நெஞ்சில் தோன்றும் - அது தான் தாளமோ?

And...
குயிலோசையின் பரிபாஷைகள் அதிகாலையின் வரவேற்புகள் (Such a beautiful line! In someways I wish the words weren't split the way it is in the song.)

adhigaalayin varaverpugaL - so "mallu" no?

app_engine Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:34 pm

nanRi V_Sji, mythila, SenthilVinu, rajkumarc, groucho & Nerd for the support to the thread and comments!

Nerd wrote:
I think this was only to his songs being used as part of the soundtrack itself. Like the rework of Aaasai Nooru Vagai in an RGV film. Even in the latest film I saw NKPK, half of edhO mOgam was played.

That's good to know Smile

I probably read the news reports wrong (or they themselves reported wrongly that any use of IR songs on-screen without prior permission will call for legal action)...

disturbance.

No, no, not at all!

Actually, variety of PoV - especially, difference in opinion - makes this thread (and life itself) lively and more interesting!

Please keep sharing karuththoos without fail Smile

app_engine Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:26 am

Well, as we progress in this thread, I expect my "whining" mode to slowly go away - not because the required recognition for GA is achieved by our mere efforts ; but, at the minimum, my own guilt-feel will go away Smile

In addition, during our treasure hunt, we would have possibly understood that there had been some recognition or appreciation for GA in the past.

Like the album cover of kallukkuL eeram Smile

This has got posted on the 'vinyl cover' thread but to highlight what friends (and brother) of GA had done in the past to get him some recognition, let me re-host it here:

Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo Kalluk10

Gangai Amaran - excellent lyricist for IR - 100 special picks of this combo Kalluk10

As one can see from this cover, GA's pic is in the center(stage), happily hosted there by his friend BR and aNNan IR...so, they both had given him necessary amount of publicity, recognition, access to media etc when the group made it big @TF.

The picture also brings to our mind the fact that GA got opportunity to write ALL songs for films those days Smile

Not some unknown films but those that had the tag of the then-biggest-director-in-the-field! Of course, he did a decent job of all the songs but 'siRu ponmaNi' is obviously the best!

I'll be posting the lyrics for the other three songs one by one - all decent ones and not 'dappAnguththoos' that one would typically associate with this kavingar. I won't blA-blA as to how they're good etc as they'll speak for themselves:)

Songs that celebrated nAttuppuRa maNam, iyaRkai azhagu, manitha manadhin arumaiyAna uNarvukaL, uRavukaLin iniya tharuNangaL...

Here comes cilantro lyrics:

பல்லவி :

கொத்தமல்லிப்பூவே புத்தம்புது காத்தே
வாசம் வீசு வந்து வந்து ஏதோ பேசு...

இடையிசையில் நாட்டுப்புறப்பாட்டு 1:

ஏ நா காக்க ஊணி வச்சேன்
நானும் தெனம் தண்ணி விட்டேன்
அத்தமகன் எண்ணத்துல அத்தனையும் பயிராச்சு

சரணம் 2:
ஆத்தோரம் கொட்டிவச்ச மல்லி, பூ வாசத்தில அள்ளி
ஆகாசம் தூவிவிட்ட வெள்ளி, எம் மாமன் வச்ச புள்ளி
நெனைச்சேனே எளைச்சேனே நானு என் நெஞ்சுக்குள்ள தேனு
வட்டமிடும் பூங்காத்து வந்து வந்து மோதும்
தொட்டுத்தொட்டு சூடாக சொந்தக்கத பேசும்
சொந்தத்தில பந்தத்தில சந்தோஷம்

இடையிசையில் நாட்டுப்புறப்பாட்டு 2:

ஆத்தோரம் சின்னக்குட்டி அத்தை பெத்த கன்னுக்குட்டி
காத்தாட வந்திருக்கா தங்கம் வச்ச வெள்ளிப்பெட்டி
தாலிக்கொடி போட்டு வப்பான் மாமன் மாமன்
என் தங்கத்துக்கு ஏத்தவன் தான் ராமன் ராமன்

சரணம் 2:
சேத்தோட ஒட்டிக்கிட்ட நாத்து அத சேத்துக்கிட்ட காத்து
கூத்தாடும் எம்மனசு பாத்து அது தென்னை இளங்கீத்து
வெத போட்டேன் ஒனக்காக நேத்து நான் கண்ட சுகம் சேத்து
தொட்டுவிட்ட பின்னாலே தூக்கம் இல்ல மாமா
தொட்டுக்கிட்டு ஒன்னோட தூங்கவேணும் ஆமா
சொர்க்கத்தில பக்கத்தில நின்னேனே

To listen to the song:

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1449'&lang=en

To watch on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u502oRX1_Xc

app_engine Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:01 am

googling, I can see koththa mallippoovE getting hosted in dhool as SOTD some 5 years back:

http://www.dhool.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6595

I was looking at the discussion with focus on GA and look at the muththukkaL there:

Udhaya, original poster wrote:

Song: kOththamalli poovE
Film: kallukkuL eeram
Singers: S.Janaki, Malayasia Vasudeven, and chorus
MD: Ilayaraja
Lyrics: Gangai Amaran?

Every other credit is with certainty, but when it comes to GA, a BIG QUESTION MARK Laughing

app_engine, initially wrote:

"நெனச்சேனே எளச்சேனே நானு, என் நெஞ்சுக்குள்ள தேனு"
....என்ன ஒரு இனிமையான பாடல்...காதுக்குள்ள தேனு:-)

I'm especially fond of the prelude and interludes...

But later :

app_engine wrote:

சினிமா விரும்பி,

அது "இரு" இல்லங்க..."சிறு":-)
"சிறு பொன்மணி அசையும் அதில் தெறிக்கும் புது இசையும்...
இரு கண்களின் பொன் இமைகளில் தாள லயம்"...கங்கை அமரன் என நினைக்கிறேன்...

இந்தப்படத்தில் இன்னுமொரு அருமையான பாடல்:
"எண்ணத்தில் ஏதோ ஜில்லென்றது"...

Looking back, it irritates me that I wrote "நினைக்கிறேன்" Embarassed

Another guy, OISG, makes careless remarks about siRuponmaNi - even without properly checking the words Mad

OISG wrote:
Siru ponmani –GA lyrics wandered from attempted poetry to utter pedantry caring less and less for Tamil ilakkanam.

Nadhiyum muzhu madhiyum siru idhyam thanil padhyium
Radhiyum adhan padhiyum tharum sugamE

Idhu kavidhai enRal ………..hmm!

The original lines are :

நதியும் முழு மதியும் இரு இதயம் தனில் பதியும்
ரதியும் அதன் பதியும் பெறும் சுகமே உதயம்

All these show the "respect" we TFM listeners give to a good kavingar Embarassed

olichudar Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:15 am

Great thread on Amar. He is popularly called as "Poo Kavignar" in film circuits, as he mentions lot of flower names in his songs right from his early day songs "senthoora poove", "poovarasam poo puthaachchu", "Sevvanthi Poo Mudicha", "Poongathavey" and many more. I believe he has written most number of the songs for IR albums next to vaali. But some how we always think of IR and Vairamuthu the only combo as peak of 80's.

I think Illaiyaraaja and Gangai Amaran combo has outstanding numbers in all moods and all seasons. Apart from above mentioned songs, below are few more samples from the big list.
1. Kodai kala kaathae - panner pushpangal
2. Ananda raagam - panner pushpangal
3. Shenbagamae Shenbagamae - Enga orru Paatukaran
4. Oru Kili Uruguthu - Aananda Kummi
5. Intha Maan - Karagattakaran.

app_engine Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:32 pm

nanRi olichudar for the appreciation and the pointers to some of GA's nice songs!

As we continue discussing in detail about this versatile talent here, hopefully some respect is restored to him (if not gained afresh)!

app_engine Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:48 pm

The next number from kallukkuL eeram written by GA, "thOppiloru nAdakam nadakkuthu ElElangiLiyE" had been thoroughly analyzed by V_Sji in the hub when he wrote about non-solo songs sung by IR:

Please go there to read the complete post

Let me reproduce his concluding remarks :

V_Sji wrote:

Maestro's music is all about emotions, all the emotions right from our birth till our death, not just our emotions, emotions of the people, nature and the world, no exceptions. Maestro only requests us to just sit back and enjoy and bring back our glorious childhood memories through this song!

Let me add, GA beautifully complements with his nach-nach words & phrases to decorate the emotions painted by rAsA music!

pAdal varikaL idhO:

பல்லவி:

தோப்பிலொரு நாடகம் நடக்குது ஏலேலங்கிளியே
தோகை மயில் ஆட்டம் போடுது ஏலேலங்கிளியே
நாடகத்துக் கதையோ புதுசு, நடிக்க வந்த ஆளும் புதுசு
நாங்க இப்ப நடத்துற கதையில ராசா ஒன்னு ராணி ஒன்னு ஆடுது பாடுது அம்மாடி!

சரணம் 1:

பார்த்தாலும் பார்த்தேன் அட நாலும் நானும் பார்த்தேன்
கேட்டாலும் கேட்டேன் உன் கீர்த்தி யாவும் கேட்டேன்
நெஞ்சுக்குள்ள நெனச்சேன் நிம்மதிய கொறச்சேன் என்னத்த சொல்வேன்

அத மாதிரி நீ காதலி
ஆசையில பலவித நெனப்புல பார்த்தேன் ஒன்ன, கேட்டேன் ஒன்ன பாசத்துல தவியா இருந்து தவிச்சேன்

சரணம் 2:

பாக்காத கண்ணு தெனம் ஏக்கத்தோட தேடும்
கேக்காத ஒன்னு மனம் ராகத்தோட பாடும்
பக்கத்துல இருந்தா சொர்க்கத்துக்கு விருந்தா தொட்டு ரசிப்பேன்

ஒரு நாளிலே தீருமா?
தூக்கத்தில தொடருற கனவுல தொட்டா என்ன பட்டா என்ன
ஆசையிலே அணைச்சா ரசிச்சா என்ன

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9XoNUV44qI

app_engine Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:51 pm

As I mentioned before, all the four songs of kallukkuL eeram can be classified under the "decent, nice" category. The last one, 'eNNaththil EdhO sillenRadhu' pallavi was somewhat novel for that time period IMHO, because it had only 3 phrases which is an odd number (and the first phrase gets repeated as the 4th, to get even)...

Anyways, here are the lines (both this song and thOppiloru are hard to find on the web...while I could do "copy / paste / listen and correct" for the other two songs, I had to freshly type out these two numbers Smile

)

பல்லவி:

எண்ணத்தில் ஏதோ சில்லென்றது
ஏழை தேகம் ஏங்கும் மோகம் நில்லென்றது
ஓ ஓ சொல்லென்றது ஓ ஓ எண்ணத்தில் ஏதோ சில்லென்றது

சரணம் 1:

தென்றல் அது தரும் சந்தம் சேரும் அதிலொரு சொந்தம்
துளிர் விடும் ஆசை ஆடியது, தொடர்ந்தொரு ராகம் பாடியது
உள்ளூற மெல்லாடும் உண்டான சந்தோஷம்
காதல் ராகம் தொட்டு ஆடும் நேரம் காலம்

சரணம் 2:

மாலை தழுவிய வண்ணம் மனதைத் தழுவிய எண்ணம்
மறுபடி சேரும் காலம் எது? மடியினில் ஆடும் நேரம் எது?
ஏறாத இன்பங்கள் காணாத சொந்தங்கள்
மேலும் மேலும் என்னைச்சேரும் காலம் எங்கே?

thiraippAdal:

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1447'&lang=en

youtube:

With just two movies (alaigaL Oyvathillai & kallukkuL eeram, both with BR tags), we've already got 5 beautiful hit songs by GA. If this many hits had been done by ANY lyricist in his whole career in the 90's or the new millennium, he would have already got some titles & awards Laughing

Well, we'll probably score a century in this thread (may be more) and then move on to his other talents!

sagi Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:48 pm

Sorry to break the thread's flow:

Amar's latest in terms of lyrics.
https://twitter.com/gvprakash/status/291178327178375168/photo/1/large (Plis to note a 'poththi vechcha' song Laughing

)

He has also sung a song for GVP in Bala's paradesi.

app_engine Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:29 pm

The next song and album that I want to highlight here is something NO ONE would associate with nAttuppuRam & dappAnguththu (and, by extension, never with GA)...

It was one of the most modern scores for the year 1980! And, a top hit song from the album got featured in a popular "peter" movie in the new millennium! Needless to say it got featured in the IR-JayaTV music show as well!

Well, before featuring that stupendous GA song, let's focus on the other number from the same album first! A short 3 min song, with considerable duration taken up by instrumental & humming portions - thus leaving very less room for poem. Still, GA provides some refreshing & stylish lines:

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2064'&lang=en

பல்லவி

பருவ காலங்களின் கனவு
நெஞ்சில் பளிங்கு போல வந்த நினைவு
தழுவிச் சேருகின்ற நிறைவு
இன்பத்தவிப்பை ஏற்றுகின்ற உறவு
உன் நினைவு!

சரணம்

இடைவெளி இல்லாத தொடர்கதை
எழுத்திலும் சொல்லாத புதுச் சுவை
இதழின் மேலாக இனிமை நூறாக எழுது
இரவு முடியாதபொழுது விடிகின்ற பொழுது
தழுவத்தானே தவித்த மானே
இனிமை உன்னோடு!

(movie - rAsA's 100th aka moodupani, directed by BM, his wife Shobha & his AsthAna artist Banuchandar on screen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH0NnuPX_Ec

Those who can afford a few more minutes please continue to read what got triggered from my memory last night (WARNING : masAlA Laughing

)...

The words 'paLingu' & 'paruvam' obviouly takes one to the LRE hit song. Interestingly, while both these songs do not refer to the literal 'paLingu' but only use it as a simile / metaphor for other "things", my mind always recall glass / crystal / marble / glazed tile kind of construction materials that my b-i-ls deal with. It's always a fascinating topic for me. (When a supplier took me for dinner to the Leela hotel in Mumbai, we talked about the Italian marble that decorated the building more than other things).

This was the conversation with my big boss when he came to my Palakkad house-warming in '95 :

"Hey, nice tile work & kadappA/marble work - who is your contractor? Was it yOhannAn?" (the top guy in that town)

"Oh, I can never afford him...since the local group that I used for the project didn't have the skills, I requested my b-i-l and he sent a few boys from Trichy...they finished it in a couple of days"

He got impressed and told the project manager for the new factory building to get the boys thru me Shocked

(It was a big project, a building of 3 floors with each floor > 60K sqft and considerable area -1000s of sqft - with tiles / marbles etc).

My b-i-l sent the main boy who started his work at the site a few miles from our home and he was provided accommodation at the site.

After a week or so, I casually asked the project manager (who lived in my sub-division / colony and a colleague too) : "Is the guy meeting your expectations? Are you satisfied with the speed / quality of the work?

"The work is terrific - super fast and high quality! There's just one minor issue" (He did a namuttuch chirippu and I got confused)

"The fellow lived in the site only for a couple of days...now he started kudumbam nadaththifying with a malayALi siththAL and is living with her" Shocked

I got surprised at the efficiency of that fellow, a little amused, but was obliged to inform my b-i-l.

When my b-i-l communicated to the boy's family, however, it reportedly created a tremor / boogambam / tsumani / puyal etc in their family as he was already engaged, muRaippoNNu, expected to marry shortly etc...They wanted him report back the very next day it seems.

Well, fortunately, no more drama occured...he completed the project, and somehow amicably closed the relationship too and escaped...unlike Viv Richards Neena Gupta, this couple didn't make a baby, so one less complication.

Anytime marble / glazed tile etc becomes a topic of thought, my mind does an auto-recall of that guy and I cannot avoid the amusement Smile

GA's lines are definitely great poem, because என் "நெஞ்சில் பளிங்கு போல வந்த நினைவு" happened to be the "பருவ காலங்களின் கனவு" of that tile worker!

lol!

app_engine Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:40 pm

Continuing with moodupani, I was impressed to see GA's pic on the album cover (much like the kallukuL eeram one, posted in the vinyl album thread)!

I don't remember associating that album with GA at any point of time even though 'en iniya pon nilAvE' is among my all-time-top-IR-favourites.

That song obviously does not need any introduction / references / links / write-ups etc., being (most probably) precious to every IRF.

Makes me work less Smile

It's just sufficient that I do this "koovikkoovi viRkal" that Gangai Amaran wrote the lines for this all-time-famous classic!

Here are those lines for this guitar beauty, for quick ref:

பல்லவி:

என் இனிய பொன் நிலாவே
பொன் நிலவில் என் கனாவே
நினைவிலே புது சுகம்
தொடருதே தினம் தினம்

சரணம் 1:

பன்னீரைத் தூவும் மழை
சில்லென்ற காற்றின் அலை
சேர்ந்தாடும் இந்நேரமே

என் நெஞ்சில் என்னென்னவோ
வண்ணங்கள் ஆடும் நிலை
என்னாசை உன்னோரமே

வெண் நீல வானில் அதில் என்னென்ன மேகம்
ஊர்கோலம் போகும் அதன் உள்ளாடும் தாகம்
புரியாதோ என் எண்ணமே அன்பே...

சரணம் 2:

பொன்மாலை நேரங்களே
என் இன்ப ராகங்களே
பூவான கோலங்களே

தென் காற்றின் இன்பங்களே
தேனாடும் ரோஜாக்களே
என்னென்ன ஜாலங்களே

கண்ணோடு தோன்றும் சிறு கண்ணீரில் ஆடும்
கை சேரும் காலம் அதை என் நெஞ்சம் தேடும்
இதுதானே என் ஆசைகள் அன்பே!

Though the song is of romantic genre, look at how words sweetly include the beauty of nature!

More power to GA as a worthy competition to VM for iyaRkai azhagu songs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IXuH6ScQZM

app_engine Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:25 pm

We've seen a few samples that should have already dispelled the myth that GA wrote only dappAnguththu songs (or nAttuppuRa songs). Obviously, there are a lot more to be showcased on this thread...let's continue to collect them.

Meanwhile, a small gear-shift.

The samples that appeared so far happened to be all romantic / natural beauty /pleasant but not highly emotional kinds. Let me quickly list them :

-putham puthukkAlai
-siRu ponmaNi asaiyum
-kothamallippoovE
-thOppiloru nAdakam nadakkudhu
-eNNaththil EdhO sillenRadhu
-paruva kAlangaLin kanavu
-en iniya pon nilAvE

Has he done some pathos kind of emotional stuff? Not just for name's sake - something quite competently and one that went on to become popular, lingering in the minds of people for a long time?

'vaigaRaiyil vaigai karaiyil' song of payaNangaL mudivadhillai comes to mind!

The song happens to be the last number in the movie, close to its ending, in a serious situation. With all those heavy pathos music (shehnAi / strings etc), the lines were expected to be weighty enough. That is, those should not water down the situation or make people laugh at them - as in the case of some recent "serious songs" (e.g. EzhAm aRivu)...

Needless to say, GA managed to live up to the requirements. Let us look at the lines now:

பல்லவி:

வைகறையில் வைகைக் கரையில்
வந்தால் வருவேன் உன்னருகில்
உன் நினைவில் நெஞ்சம் வான்வெளியில்
நாளும் நடத்தும் ஊர்வலங்கள்

சரணம் 1:

உன் நினைவே எனக்கோர் சுருதி
உன் கனவே எனக்கோர் கிருதி
உன் உணர்வில் மனமே உருகி
வாடுதம்மா மலர்போல் கருகி
பலப்பல ஜென்மம் நானெடுப்பேன்
பாடல்கள் கோடி நான் படிப்பேன்
அன்பே உனக்கே காத்திருப்பேன்

சரணம் 2:

ஆயிரமாயிரம் ஆசைகளை
ஆசையில் உன்னிடம் பேச வந்தேன்
ஆவியில் மேவிய சேதிகளை
கேளென நெஞ்சிடம் கூற வந்தேன்
நினைவுகள் எங்கோ அலைகிறதே
கனவுகள் ஏனோ கலைகிறதே
நிழல் போல் உன்னைத் தொடர்கிறதே

thiraippAdal link:

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2677'&lang=en

youtube:

Perhaps one of the best pathos songs in SPB's voice...(IR's music sounds like a temple bhajan in part but the strings bring the movie mood aptly!)

**groucho070** Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:02 am

app, this one or that coughing song the last in the movie? I think its the latter. (We use to make fun of the blood cancer back then, when Kamal also appeared as a victim that year). But now, as adult, jeez man, what a condition to be in....Mom said she can't watch both movies now without getting depressed.

app_engine Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:05 pm

groucho070 wrote:app, this one or that coughing song the last in the movie? I think its the latter.

illeenga

'maNiyOsai kEttu ezhundhu' (the coughing song) is when the heroine first learns that the hero is "avoiding" her. (She typically accompanied him to studio for his prior assignments but this one without her ; she rushes to find out why but he is cold to her). In a way, it's the "break-up" song Laughing

'vaigaraiyil' comes many scenes later.

app_engine Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:52 pm

Let's continue with one more "pathos" number written by GA. This came a year before that vaigaRaiyil number of PM.

adhAvadhu, from the 100th movie of Kamal - rAja pArvai!

Since the movie was about an artist who could not see (and thus the poetic title for the movie), there had to be some references to vizhi. At least that was my expectation in the song lines. Without disappointing such enthusiasts, the Kamal-IR combo included a song that started with vizhi Smile

(Well, for simplicity's sake, I placed only the name of Kamal the hero, producer and singer of the song. sangeetham paththina discussionla Singeetham pEr pOdalainnu yArum kOchchukkAdheenga. Laughing

)

I don't remember associating GA clearly with that song. Well, the magazines were going so much gAgA with andhi mazhai and the latest sensation Vairamuthu that they clearly ignored the lyricists of the other two songs. Listeners didn't care much either. However, rAsA did his job with the music companies properly and one can see the pictures of both kavingar and GA in the cover of the vinyl that had 'azhagE azhagu' & 'vizhiyOraththukkanavum' Smile

The lines are quite decent (and the solo-violin-dominated orch & emotional singing by Sasireka / Kamal gets the song the required appeal of "unarchchivasam"):

பல்லவி

விழியோரத்துக் கனவும்
இங்கு கரைந்தோடிடுதே
விடியும் என்ற பொழுதில்
வந்து இருள் மூடிடுதே

கதைபோல் வந்த உறவு
இடையே இந்த பிரிவு
இசை கூடிய கவிதை
அதன் ஒலித்தேன் அதும் ஏனோ?

சரணம்

ஒரு ஓவியக்கவிதை
கண்ணீரினில் நனையும்
ஒரு காவியக்கனவை
தினமும் மனம் நினைக்கும்

இருகாதலர் நடத்தும்
தனிமைப் பயணம்
ஒரு பாதையில் இருந்தும்
அதில் பிரிவென்பதும் ஏனோ?

Listen to the song here:
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR3061'&lang=en
Youtube:

kiru Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:04 am

Great..for doing justice to GA's skills. I think he is a fantastic lyricist. Wish IR lets him write now for him. Let bygones be bygones. Hope brothers will be brothers again.

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