Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 4

Screenshots of Kamal's latest interview to vikatan in this tweet:
https://twitter.com/rajakumaari/status/1014694759875530753

As usual there are adequate IR references.

He claims to have been beaten up by both IR & SPB, while trying to play "peacemaker"

இன்றைய ராசா டிஸ்கவரி :

புகழ் பெற்ற மாமன் மச்சான் (முரட்டுக்காளை) பாடலின் மெட்டு அதற்குச் சில மாதங்களுக்கு முன் வெளியான மகேந்திரனின் பூட்டாத பூட்டுக்கள் டைட்டில் இசையாக ஏற்கனவே வந்து விட்டது :-)

இந்தப்படத்தைக் கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சமாக ராசாவுக்காகப் பார்க்க வேண்டும்.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLa93p_qaOI

Opened twitter today :

https://twitter.com/ZeeTamil/status/1015932259105366016

Can someone get the video of this speech, to verify the contents of this article :
https://tamil.news18.com/news/entertainment/k-balachander-proved-that-he-can-give-hits-without-ilayaraja-in-80s-33233.html

அப்போது பாலசந்தரின் ஆளுமை குறித்து கருத்து தெரிவித்த இயக்குனர் கரு.பழனியப்பன், இளையராஜா தான் சினிமா என்றிருந்த காலத்தில் இளையராஜா இல்லாமல் கூட ஒரு படத்தை வெற்றிபெற வைக்க முடியும் என்று உணர்த்தியவர் இயக்குனர் கே.பாலசந்தர் என்றார்.

(Some may ask, why video...well, want to make sure he REALLY spoke this stupid - before calling him an idiot )

app_engine wrote:Can someone get the video of this speech, to verify the contents of this article :
https://tamil.news18.com/news/entertainment/k-balachander-proved-that-he-can-give-hits-without-ilayaraja-in-80s-33233.html

அப்போது பாலசந்தரின் ஆளுமை குறித்து கருத்து தெரிவித்த இயக்குனர் கரு.பழனியப்பன், இளையராஜா தான் சினிமா என்றிருந்த காலத்தில் இளையராஜா இல்லாமல் கூட ஒரு படத்தை வெற்றிபெற வைக்க முடியும் என்று உணர்த்தியவர் இயக்குனர் கே.பாலசந்தர் என்றார்.

(Some may ask, why video...well, want to make sure he REALLY spoke this stupid - before calling him an idiot )

ondru nichayam app.. Ilaiyaraja KByai thedi poi iruka matar. KB dhan thedi poi irupar.. vilagiyum irupar.........

Ilaiyaraja enbavar... Thannal dhan padam odigiradhu endra garvam illadhavar...... avasaramum, thondharavum seidhal.. vilagi viduvar. Thats all.....

KB ku Ilaiyaraja illamal.. ethanai padam vetri endru solla sollungal...... Vetri enbadhu enna endru kaeta vendum ivaridam........

(Operation success.. patient out enbadhu pola than oru isai amaipalarin vetri. )

UshakkA,

I watched part of that Karu.Pazhaniyappan video (Kamesh Ratnam posted the link in twitter). I guess this fellow wanted to please the crowd gathered for KB's memorial function and in that process ended up doing some unnecessary talk about IR.

First of all, it wasn't 1985 that KB went to IR for the first time (year of Sindhu Bhairavi). It was at least 4 years before, for netRikkaN. Karu says in that video wrongly that Kavidhalaya did agni sAtchi as its first production. A big NO! It was netRikkaN, at least a year before agni sAtchi and also it was widely publicized that KB was starting his own production company Kavidhalayam (later name changed to Kavidhalaya) and the first movie will have Rajinikanth acting.

The director was announced as SPM and the magazines were wondering whether MD will be MSV or IR. That was because KB never worked with IR until that point of time (as a director) & was quite successful with MSV. (thillu mullu, vaRumaiyin niRam sivappu for e.g.). Also, SPM wasn't an "IR-loylaist" or anything like that. Even with AVM productions, he had MSV for pOkkiri rAjA (with Rajini-Sridevi-Radhika, and the movie as well as songs were hits). Also, SPM directed another Rajini-Sridevi-Chiranjeevi movie called rANuva veeran, with MSV as MD. There should be some other movies too that SPM did with MSV and he would have been fine with either MSV or IR for netRikkaN.

Now, it was reported that KB went to IR, signed up and gave advance check for Kavidhalaya's first production! So, KB wanted bigger business with Rajini-IR, and ignored his then companion MSV, for money / business.  (As a director, he continued to work with MSV, VSN as MDs for a few more years, before finally signing up IR for SB in 1985.)

Either way, it wasn't IR who went to KB asking for chance in the 80's. It was the other way around, KB's production house milking the kAmadhEnu called IR for great musical successes.

Also, after that unpleasant usage of "stock BGM" for PPA, it was IR who told Kavidhalaya that he won't be doing films for them anymore! (IIRC, there is a magazine report that even Rajini asked IR for aNNAmalai or some other Kavidhalaya movie and IR refused to do. For that matter, IR didn't agree for even KR to work in that project, as reported.)

While Kavidhalaya tasted success without IR later on, it is a fact that their very first project (and many more for a decade) had done nice business using the services of IR (even though it would be incorrect to say that they thrived only because of him )

While IR was behind 100's of super hit movies and thus a major force beyond just being a MD, it would be foolish to say that he was a juggernaut or the "only" stronghold in the whole Thamizh film industry, even during 80's or early 90's.  Yes, producers lined up for him, directors wanted to work with him, financiers invested happily preferring him as #1 etc during that time but he wasn't doing ALL of TF (or even 50% of movies getting made, though more prolific than anyone in the history).

Also, he wasn't the ONLY ONE with whom hit movies were made!

With borrowed musicians / bands, even non-musicals like TR / KBR had super hit albums & movies (crediting themselves as MD's)! That was besides regulars such as MSV, S-G, Chandrabose etc. who got partnered with biggie stars such as Kamal-Rajini for super hit films.  

For வாய்க்கு வந்தபடிப்பேசும் people like Karu, if they really require, we can produce the list of non-IR super hit films in 80's to debunk such foolish theories.

In fact.. after PPA, it was a big declining graph for KB as a director. He used multiple MDs for his directorial ventures without success.  Gradually he faded out by late 90s and took shelter in TV serials..

IR never had any ambition to work with any particular director in his entire career till now.  It was KB who was loosing his shine as a director by mid 80s, went to IR.  Starting with Sindhu Bairavi, all the films were super-duper hits (except for Rudra veena).  Even a mediocre film like Punnagai Mannan was a big hit.  But this was not the case after PPA.

IMHO, the Karu loose talk at KB's place is not at all about the directorial skills of KB.

Neither it was about his success as a director (with or without IR).

If that had been the point of discussion (that KB succeeded as a director without IR), it would have been something I won't bother about.

Everyone knows that KB existed for 20 years prior to teaming up with IR / SB, as a successful (albeit niche) director, starting with his neerkkumizhi.

He had in fact worked with V Kumar, Vijayabhaskar kind of people to deliver hit movies / albums. His collaboration with MSV was big too (ninaiththAlE inikkum, for e.g. , was quite big and even a moment of envy for 70's IRFs).

Actually, while KB's albums with IR were definitely biggies / milestones / jewels & much above anything KB did with any other MD, it would be incorrect to say IR had somehow defined KB's overall career. That way, I won't care if he did well or not as a director AFTER IR said "NO" to him. He had his position regardless of his association with IR.

The falsehood story spun by Karu, per my understanding, goes like this - stressing upon KB's business skills:

- The whole TF industry production was controlled by a mafia head called IR, who had everyone under his spell
- There was no success possible for anyone in TN without associating with IR as he had a stranglehold on everyone's psyche
- Without IR's name it was impossible to sell movies in TN as no one will buy with other MDs
- Everyone was afraid of offending IR as that would mean their production house is doomed and will be out of biz in no time
- Comrade KB, the revolutionary leader, single handedly took up the challenge of breaking such iron fort! By gallantly PRODUCING 3 movies simultaneously with different MDs and made all of them commercial successes, thereby ending the horrible control imposed by IR on TF industry - now world was freed from his evil clutches & made it possible for everyone to breathe. That is one of KB's 2 greatest career achievements!

That was the essence of his talk (some he said verbatim and, of course, I added some explanatory text to convert his body language )

Even a novice can understand what foolishness is bundled in everyone of the above bullet points.

One need not even know any history to point out the idiocy of such talk.

At this point of time, such a stupid (or may be malignant) talk about a musical genius - who dedicated his life to music and was not involved in any industry politics or manipulations, if anything was only a victim as people made money using him but compensated far less in comparison & also his market suffered simply because of an orchestrated smear campaign by KB & cohorts who could do nothing about his musical quality or legacy but spread claims such as கர்வி / திமிர் பிடிச்சவர் etc -  is simply outrageous.

I was watching Netflix series Sacred Games and the music was impressive. The music is by: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alokananda_Dasgupta

A.R.Rahman complimented her on Twitter for the score yesterday.

And I came across this article today: https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/EmFqUsN1XRijcBPPKFnajP/A-new-breed-of-original-film-composers.html

The piece talks about her too. Quote here: "A “scene” for original movie scores in India has never really existed, Dasgupta feels. “I can only remember the music from Satyajit Ray’s films and, later, some of Ilaiyaraaja’s work”.

There are some inaccuracies in this Magudeswaran article (like the claim that SAC always used MSV ) but otherwise OK :
https://tamil.filmibeat.com/specials/directors-and-producers-who-committed-with-raja-music-054508.html

எஸ். ஏ. சந்திரசேகரன் தொடர்ச்சியாக விசுவநாதனுக்கு வாய்ப்பளித்தார்.

Actually, SAC started off with S-G (sattam oru iruttaRai) and the movie was a big hit. Even a couple of songs were popular on radio. In the course of his career, he had used a variety of MD's - which included IR, of course. (nAn sivappu manidhan, one of his biggest hits and well-known movie, with Rajini & Backiaraj, had IR for example. He did a couple more with IR in 80's).

Actually, he came to MSV much later only (nilavE malarE) and then had a couple of films with him, before switching to others again. This should have been mentioned correctly.

I guess people who write "history" articles need a little bit more accuracy. Also, the ones publishing it should try to cross-check facts and do some discussion / editing.

Looks like none of such things are practiced today in journalism

இப்படிக் கசமுசான்னு எழுதினா என்ன அர்த்தம் மக்களே - எனக்குப் புரியலை :
https://www.moneylife.in/article/metti-1982-heart-rending-tale-of-a-splintered-family/54674.html

Some lady reviewing metti is so confused, she needs to listen to 'metti oli kAtROdu' and 'sandhakkavidhaigaL' before reviewing such movies In any case, how can one contradict self in the same line?

The background music is haunting; however, music by Ilayaraja is just about passable.

Assuming vikatan hadn't added masAlA, this is really incredible (that of a 4th grader playing film songs on KB simply by listening / memory & also being in love with IR's music)!

https://www.vikatan.com/news/miscellaneous/130927-child-ashritha-talks-about-her-passion-for-music.html

'அக்காகிட்ட நான் பேசுறேன்'' என்றபடி போனை வாங்கி பேசுகிறார் அர்ஷிதா. ''எனக்கு மியூசிக் வாசிக்குறதுன்னா ரொம்ப ரொம்பப் பிடிக்கும். அம்மாவும் அப்பாவும் நிறைய பாடல்களை வாசிக்கச் சொல்லி அசைன்ட்மென்ட்ஸ் கொடுப்பாங்க. பாட்டின் ஸ்வரம் மனசுல பதியுற வரை மறுபடியும் மறுபடியும் கேட்பேன். எந்த நோட் வாசிச்சா எந்த சவுண்ட் வரும்னு தெரியும். ஒருதடவை அந்தப் பாட்டை சரியா பிளே பண்ணிட்டேன்னா, அதை என் கீ-நோட் மறக்கவே மறக்காது. நானாகவே கீபோர்டு வாசிக்கிறேன்னு சொன்னா, யாருமே நம்பமாட்டேங்கிறங்க. எனக்கு இளையராஜா சாரின் பாடல்கள் ரொம்ப பிடிக்கும். இன்னும் நல்லா பிராக்டீஸ் பண்ணி நிறைய பாடல்களை வாசிப்பேன்'' என மழலை குரலில் மகிழ்வைப் பகிர்கிறார்.

I guess these magazines have some multiplication factor for all singers (as to the number of songs they've recorded)

The latest singer to come under their guillotine - MSV :
http://tamil.eenaduindia.com/Entertainment/KollyWood/2018/07/14175903/Mellisai-mannan-MSVishwanathans-Death-anniversary.vpf

இதுவரை 500 பாடல்களை பாடியுள்ள இவர் அவற்றில் 200 பாடல்கள் பிற இசையமைப்பாளர்களுக்காக பாடியுள்ளார். குறிப்பாக இளையராஜா, ஏ.ஆர்.ரஹ்மான், யுவன் சங்கர் ராஜா, ஜி.வி.பிரகாஷ்குமார் உள்ளிட்ட பிரபல இசையமைப்பாளர்கள் இசையில் பாடியுள்ளார்.

Will they be kind enough to give this "small" list of only 500 songs?

At least the limited list of 200 songs that MSV sang for "other" MDs?

This news report says IR has become a member of IPRS (the org for collecting royalty biz)...
http://www.radioandmusic.com/biz/regulators/copyright-office/180716-r-rahman-and-ilayaraja-become-members

Director Cheran on working with IR"
http://www.dinamalarnellai.com/cinema/news/53046

IR MD-ed two movies of his - dEsiya geetham & mAyakkaNNAdi

About Vaali - no new info but an interesting read still:
https://www.kamadenu.in/news/cinema/4117-vaali-ninaivu-naal.html?utm_source=site&utm_medium=category&utm_campaign=category

IR also MD-ed for a Chetan as hero film Solla maRandha kadhai

Just heard this after so many years in telugu. i always skipped salangai oli due to poor recording i have. almost other cassette noises and mostly MONO

clearly blown out of instruments used when heard in good quality. so much of stereo experimentation.

http://mio.to/album/Saagara+Sangamam+%281983%29

almost every instrument plays in separate channels and even spb voice ucharipu goes from left to right (looks like surround sound those days )

anyone have tamil salangai oli of this quality ?

irfan123 wrote:Just heard this after so many years in telugu. i always skipped salangai oli due to poor recording i have. almost other cassette noises and mostly MONO

clearly blown out of instruments used when heard in good quality. so much of stereo experimentation.

http://mio.to/album/Saagara+Sangamam+%281983%29

almost every instrument plays in separate channels and even spb voice ucharipu goes from left to right (looks like surround sound those days )

anyone have tamil salangai oli of this quality 

Wow, never heard Salangai Oli in stereo. This sounds amazing. Not only Salangai Oli was mono, the recording was also very scratchy.  I have Mounamana Neram on official CD and the recording is not good at all.

These idiotic reporters, whose false belief is that BR-IR had great success only with VM, should learn to read facts / history etc.

Anyways, not many care for facts anymore. BR is also making some uLaRal that current "trend" is different. Nonsense! The only current trend is nobody cares for ANY KIND OF MUSIC. The so-called trend-setting songs of today are forgotten the next week  Does BR think this is any kind of "trendu"?

https://www.cinereporters.com/vairamuthubarathirajailayaraja/32229/

இப்போ இருக்கிற மியூசிக் ட்ரெண்ட் வேற இளைஞர்கள் வேற 

This link came up during a news search for "இளையராஜா" on google today:

https://dhinasari.com/featured/48440-%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%87%E0%AE%B3%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BF-%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%8D-2.html

சிரிக்காமல் படிக்கவும்:

திரையுலகப் பிரபலம் தான் மக்களிடையே எளிதில் இடம் பிடிக்க முடியும் என்பதால் அதே திரையுலகில் பிரபலமாகவும் இந்து சார்பு உடையவராகவும் இருக்கும் வேறொரு நபரையே தேர்ந்தெடுக்கவேண்டும். அந்தவகையில் இளையராஜா மிகவும் பொருத்தமானவராக இருப்பார். அவர் இதுவரை அரசியல் சார்ந்து தனது விருப்பத்தை வெளிப்படுத்தியதில்லை. ரஜினி, கமல் போன்று ரிட்டயர்டு பிரபலங்கள் வெளிப்படுத்திவரும் ஆசைபோல் இளையராஜா வெளிப்படுத்தவில்லை என்பது அரசியலில் ஈடுபடுவதற்கான அவருடைய தகுதியாகவே பார்க்கப்படவேண்டும். கங்கை அமரனை வெகு அழகாக பாஜக தலைமை தமது கட்சியில் சேர்த்துக்கொண்டுதான் இருக்கிறது. அந்த ஆப்பரேஷன் பண்ணைப்புரம் முழுமையடைந்தால் நல்லது.

kamalaakarsh wrote:I was watching Netflix series Sacred Games and the music was impressive. The music is by: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alokananda_Dasgupta

A.R.Rahman complimented her on Twitter for the score yesterday.

And I came across this article today: https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/EmFqUsN1XRijcBPPKFnajP/A-new-breed-of-original-film-composers.html

The piece talks about her too. Quote here: "A “scene” for original movie scores in India has never really existed, Dasgupta feels. “I can only remember the music from Satyajit Ray’s films and, later, some of Ilaiyaraaja’s work”.

There was an interview of Dasgupta the other day on Times and she mentioned that it was surprising how little importance was given to BGM in India in spite of the presence of Ray, Raja and Rahman. I agree.  Raja is at least equal to Morricone/Williams and, given how one note Williams' recent scores have been, I would argue maybe even a cut above them.  But nobody here cares about the BGM. The songs have gone from bad to worse but the audience is still accustomed to listening to songs.

Somewhat decent capture of TFM history (with decent coverage of IR):

https://www.cinereporters.com/old-songs-are-new-songs/32325/

app_engine, this is regarding your first post in the postlude topic.  This is the article I was reminded of when you mentioned the song Ilaya Nila Pozhigiradhe and the guitarist, Chandrasekhar.  Oh yes, and this is the "Sekar" mentioned by IR, while in conversation with Gautham Menon, in the "Ilayaraja-1000" concert by Vijay TV in 2016.

https://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/music/Humming-Ilaiya-nila/article14564100.ece