Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 4

ராசாவுக்கு சுராங்கனி தந்த சிலோன் மனோகர் இறப்பு

http://tamil.thehindu.com/tamilnadu/article22496637.ece

"Promotion" from bhushan to vibhushan it seems (not sure if IR will go to Delhi and receive the award )
http://www.dinamalar.com/news_detail.asp?id=1945910

2018-ம் ஆண்டிற்கான மத்திய அரசின் பத்ம விருதுகள் அறிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. இதன்படி இசையமைப்பாளர் இளையராஜாவுக்கு பத்மவிபூஷண் விருது வழங்கப்பட உள்ளது.

app_engine wrote:"Promotion" from bhushan to vibhushan it seems (not sure if IR will go to Delhi and receive the award )
http://www.dinamalar.com/news_detail.asp?id=1945910

He is planning to go to Delhi to receive the award and has mentioned that he considers it to be an honor for TN and its people..

http://cinema.dinamalar.com/tamil-news/66315/cinema/Kollywood/Its-honored-to-Tamil-people-says-Ilayaraja-about-Padmavibushan-award.htm
2018-ம் ஆண்டிற்கான மத்திய அரசின் பத்ம விருதுகள் அறிவிக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. இதன்படி இசையமைப்பாளர் இளையராஜாவுக்கு பத்மவிபூஷண் விருது வழங்கப்பட உள்ளது.

Yes, looks like IR is happy about this...
http://tamil.thehindu.com/tamilnadu/article22524502.ece

இது குறித்து இளையராஜா கூறும்போது, “பத்ம விபூஷண் விருது மகிழ்ச்சியளிக்கிறது. மத்திய அரசு என்னைக் கவுரவித்ததாகக் கருதவில்லை, தமிழகத்தையும் தமிழக மக்களையும் கவுரவித்ததாகக் கருதுகிறேன், விழாவில் கலந்து கொள்வதாக நான் தெரிவித்திருந்தேன்” என்றார்.

This is quite interesting :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox8Eh_fRN1M


My translation :
You people already know what I think about awards = I don't care for awards and such things, remember what I did with NA last year?

Central Gov headed by Modi honors TN & its people = I know TN people are so much upset with center, I think they are trying to cool you TN people by such gimmicks

app_engine wrote:Yes, looks like IR is happy about this...
http://tamil.thehindu.com/tamilnadu/article22524502.ece

இது குறித்து இளையராஜா கூறும்போது, “பத்ம விபூஷண் விருது மகிழ்ச்சியளிக்கிறது. மத்திய அரசு என்னைக் கவுரவித்ததாகக் கருதவில்லை, தமிழகத்தையும் தமிழக மக்களையும் கவுரவித்ததாகக் கருதுகிறேன், விழாவில் கலந்து கொள்வதாக நான் தெரிவித்திருந்தேன்” என்றார்.

I am one who thinks that any government does not know how to honor such geniuses. This happened to Feynman in the US. Most Americans would hear about him only during the Challenger inquiry.

They should do two things with Raja and be done with:

1. Give him the Bharat Ratna
2. Rename the BGM award handed out every year as 'Ilayaraja' award

Move on and stop this drip feed. Provide all honors to younger composers who try to make a difference. Keep Raja out of the award circus.

Virudhuku mariyadhai kidaithadhu.. IR ku koduthu........

Namma IR.. ipodhum solgirar..  Modi arasu ,Tamil naataium, tamil makkalaiyum gowravikiradhu endrae naan ninaikiren...

idhai kaetu dhan migavum varutha padugiren.......

kadavulai pola IR...
IRin .. arumaiyum, perumaiyum unaradha indha mannil thannai adaki kondu.. ipadi irukirar...... ipodhum solgirar.
Tamil naatuku kidaitha gowravam..... indha seyal.. idhu dhan IR oru sirandha isai asiriyan endru ninaika vaikiradhu.....
adhanal dhan ipadi solla mudigiradhu.........

ipodhavadhu.. IR ai kashta paduthamal irundhal nanraga irukum...

ivarai yar kashta paduthinaluam... adhu Tamil naatuku asingam..... idhai unara vendum indha tamizhagam..(matra state ellavatrilum
IRai, migavum madhikirargal...)

ராசா கைய வச்சா அது ராங்காப் போனதில்லே

The New Indian Express calls vibhushan as "dalit outreach"

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ilayaraja-s-padma-vibhushan-is-dalit-outreach-says-leading-english-daily-1154682-2018-01-26

app_engine wrote:ராசா கைய வச்சா அது ராங்காப் போனதில்லே

The New Indian Express calls vibhushan as "dalit outreach"

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ilayaraja-s-padma-vibhushan-is-dalit-outreach-says-leading-english-daily-1154682-2018-01-26

Was this article written by one from the vayatherichal gumbal?  More and more I wonder if my theory that IR was sought to be displaced for his low caste background and a Brahmin dressed in Muslim clothing was arranged for said purpose is perhaps more than just a theory.

crimson king wrote:

Was this article written by one from the vayatherichal gumbal?  More and more I wonder if my theory that IR was sought to be displaced for his low caste background and a Brahmin dressed in Muslim clothing was arranged for said purpose is perhaps more than just a theory.

When Bharathi Raja published a video scolding of BJP's H Raja (in the VM-ANdAL ugliness), he didn't miss the opportunity to attack our man - who was no way connected with that whole nonsense. (Something like ""ஊர்ல உன்னைய மாதிரி நிறைய ராஜா இருக்கானுங்க, நானே ஒரு ராஜா தான் - ஆனா ஒரே ஒரு வைரமுத்து தான்" ).

With Vibhushan, there is no veiled attack. BR did an outrageously ugly open attack on IR, no less than this New Indian Express thingy - something like "IR wants to become Iyer"

Such seems to be the caste-superiority-mindset with BR and many other TN celebrities

app_engine wrote:

crimson king wrote:

Was this article written by one from the vayatherichal gumbal?  More and more I wonder if my theory that IR was sought to be displaced for his low caste background and a Brahmin dressed in Muslim clothing was arranged for said purpose is perhaps more than just a theory.

When Bharathi Raja published a video scolding of BJP's H Raja (in the VM-ANdAL ugliness), he didn't miss the opportunity to attack our man - who was no way connected with that whole nonsense. (Something like ""ஊர்ல உன்னைய மாதிரி நிறைய ராஜா இருக்கானுங்க, நானே ஒரு ராஜா தான் - ஆனா ஒரே ஒரு வைரமுத்து தான்" ).

With Vibhushan, there is no veiled attack. BR did an outrageously ugly open attack on IR, no less than this New Indian Express thingy - something like "IR wants to become Iyer"

Such seems to be the caste-superiority-mindset with BR and many other TN celebrities

Speaking of Iyer, what is this controversy about IR not sitting down in front of the Shankaracharya? Say the image and some heated arguments on FB but still don't understand exactly what happened. Indha madhiri avara insult pannaruthukku pesame award kudukama avara demme nu vutta adhu miga periya awarda irukkum.

BR is a loose cannon, no point wasting time on him.  But still IR trying to become an Iyer is too much.

OK, looks like the newspaper published an apology to Maestro :
https://trends.gulte.com/2018/01/27/newspaper-apologizes-to-ilayaraja-for-caste-remark/

Interesting comments by Latha Mangeshkar:
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/music/280118/showbiz-world-welcomes-ilayarajas-padma.html

I have had the privilege and pleasure of singing some Tamil songs for him in the films Anand and Sathya. Then I got to sing a Hindi song for Ilaiyaraja in a film that Raj Kumar Santoshi directed. His compositions are pure genius. Mastering the nuances of the Tamil language was not as difficult as being able to sing the way he wanted me to. He challenged my vocals like Salil Chowdhary and my brother Hridaynath Mangeshkar’s compositions. I also sang a Hindi song Kaun dagar kaun nagar for Ilaiayaraja in a Raj Kumar Santoshi film (Lajja). His compositions are catchy. But the singer knows how complex and layered his songs are. Such a simple man and with such unfathomable depths of talent. Ilaiyarajaji deserves the biggest honours and recognition

நெஞ்சில் உரமுமின்றி நேர்மைத்திறமுமின்றி - இதற்கு ஒரு எஜ்ஜாம்பிள்:

New Delhi : The Congress on Saturday accused the government of pulling the Padma awards, the highest civilian honours, into partisan politics.

In a tweet, its chief spokesman Randeep Singh Surjewala accused the government of honouring with the Padma awards persons engaged in propagation and expansion of the BJP.He dug out at least five names of those close to the government who have figured in Padma award list in the guise of recognising the anonymous leaders. They are: Ved Prakash Nanda, who has been propagating the RSS views and Indian culture among the NRIs; Manoj Joshi, an actor from Maharashtra who became face of development in the BJP”s campaign in Gujarat;  P Parmeshwar, the chief RSS pracharak of Kerala who helped BJP establish itself in the state;  Jayshree Goswami Mahanta, wife of the president of the AGP which is a partner in the BJP government in Assam; and  South Indian musician and actor Ilayaraja who is very close to the BJP, propagating it in Tamil Nadu.

The above is from the cached page of http://www.freepressjournal.in/india/padma-awards-partisan-politics-says-sujrewala/1211059
(The page is now removed).

எப்படி இப்படியெல்லாம் பொய் சொல்றானுங்க!

There's another website that caught this :
http://www.pressreader.com/india/the-free-press-journal/20180128/281745564819086

This fellow has also tweeted about it and I quoted his tweet to P Chidambaram & Thirunavukkarasu twitter IDs, encouraging them to give some "TN Lessons to INC"

app_engine wrote:நெஞ்சில் உரமுமின்றி நேர்மைத்திறமுமின்றி - இதற்கு ஒரு எஜ்ஜாம்பிள்:

New Delhi : The Congress on Saturday accused the government of pulling the Padma awards, the highest civilian honours, into partisan politics.

In a tweet, its chief spokesman Randeep Singh Surjewala accused the government of honouring with the Padma awards persons engaged in propagation and expansion of the BJP.He dug out at least five names of those close to the government who have figured in Padma award list in the guise of recognising the anonymous leaders. They are: Ved Prakash Nanda, who has been propagating the RSS views and Indian culture among the NRIs; Manoj Joshi, an actor from Maharashtra who became face of development in the BJP”s campaign in Gujarat;  P Parmeshwar, the chief RSS pracharak of Kerala who helped BJP establish itself in the state;  Jayshree Goswami Mahanta, wife of the president of the AGP which is a partner in the BJP government in Assam; and  South Indian musician and actor Ilayaraja who is very close to the BJP, propagating it in Tamil Nadu.

The above is from the cached page of http://www.freepressjournal.in/india/padma-awards-partisan-politics-says-sujrewala/1211059
(The page is now removed).

எப்படி இப்படியெல்லாம் பொய் சொல்றானுங்க!

lol, blaming IR for Rajni's acts, it would appear.  Dalit appeasement, BJP favourite, what next?  As I said above, award tharathu enna pichaiyya?  Thank God I really don't set much store for these national honours.  Even so, it's upsetting to see their hatred pouring out undisguised.

app_engine wrote:Interesting comments by Latha Mangeshkar:
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/music/280118/showbiz-world-welcomes-ilayarajas-padma.html

I have had the privilege and pleasure of singing some Tamil songs for him in the films Anand and Sathya. Then I got to sing a Hindi song for Ilaiyaraja in a film that Raj Kumar Santoshi directed. His compositions are pure genius. Mastering the nuances of the Tamil language was not as difficult as being able to sing the way he wanted me to. He challenged my vocals like Salil Chowdhary and my brother Hridaynath Mangeshkar’s compositions. I also sang a Hindi song Kaun dagar kaun nagar for Ilaiayaraja in a Raj Kumar Santoshi film (Lajja). His compositions are catchy. But the singer knows how complex and layered his songs are. Such a simple man and with such unfathomable depths  of talent. Ilaiyarajaji deserves the biggest honours and recognition

Great comment.  Don't know about Hridaynath, but blood flows thicker than water, so have to let that pass.

Every occasion Raja gets an award his name is dragged into dirt by some idiot who has no idea about music.

They should spare the genius and keep him out of this award circus. This is why I was disappointed when they did not give him the Bharat Ratna.

I cannot still understand why it is so difficult to accept such great intellect and class.

crimson king wrote:

app_engine wrote:Interesting comments by Latha Mangeshkar:
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/music/280118/showbiz-world-welcomes-ilayarajas-padma.html

I have had the privilege and pleasure of singing some Tamil songs for him in the films Anand and Sathya. Then I got to sing a Hindi song for Ilaiyaraja in a film that Raj Kumar Santoshi directed. His compositions are pure genius. Mastering the nuances of the Tamil language was not as difficult as being able to sing the way he wanted me to. He challenged my vocals like Salil Chowdhary and my brother Hridaynath Mangeshkar’s compositions. I also sang a Hindi song Kaun dagar kaun nagar for Ilaiayaraja in a Raj Kumar Santoshi film (Lajja). His compositions are catchy. But the singer knows how complex and layered his songs are. Such a simple man and with such unfathomable depths  of talent. Ilaiyarajaji deserves the biggest honours and recognition

Great comment.   Don't know about Hridaynath, but blood flows thicker than water, so have to let that pass.

It is interesting that she drew that parallel. I had a chance to listen to some of Hridaynath Mangeshkar's (Marathi) songs on a TV channel almost 15 years ago. It was some programme on his music. And I liked the songs a lot. When I was listening to them, my first reaction about the tune was that they were like Salil Chowdhary's tunes - a bit unpredictable. And in few songs, I heard the bass guitar so distinctly different that I immediately told myself - "that's so Raaja". Now, I heard only 6-7 songs that day but I remember that my key take-aways were that his music had an interesting mix of Salil and Raaja. I didn't really explore that much later. But that was the first instance where I felt Raaja in Marathi music. It was actually my first exposure to Marathi music and I thought - "wow they make some cool stuff". Years later, Ajay Atul's songs raised similar thoughts.  I agree about blood relationship, but there might be some raaja connection somewhere. Need to explore.

Fantastic article by Plum (originally posted as twitlonger and later published on this media):
https://silverscreen.in/tamil/features/ilaiyaraaja-is-dalit-theres-no-need-to-shy-away-from-stating-it/

Ilaiyaraaja Is Dalit; There’s No Need To Shy Away From Stating It
BY PLUM NIYAPPA ON JANUARY 30, 2018

app_engine wrote:Fantastic article by Plum (originally posted as twitlonger and later published on this media):
https://silverscreen.in/tamil/features/ilaiyaraaja-is-dalit-theres-no-need-to-shy-away-from-stating-it/

Ilaiyaraaja Is Dalit; There’s No Need To Shy Away From Stating It
BY PLUM NIYAPPA ON JANUARY 30, 2018

With all due respect, this completely misses the point.  When NIE calls it Dalit outreach in light of the Bhima Koregaon inspired violence in Mumbai/Pune, the implication should be crystal clear.  They are saying BJP govt gave this award to Raja to placate Dalits (as if he doesn't otherwise deserve the award).  Sorry but is this how we want his Dalit background to be acknowledged? As an upper caste guy, I know exactly what upper caste people mean when they use words like appeasement/outreach with reference to lower castes and it is not a pretty connotation at all.  It is fully intended to suggest the said person did not otherwise deserve the benefit/recognition conferred on him.  The point is not that IR's Dalit origins should be obfuscated; rather that it is grossly unfair to say he was awarded the Padma Vibhushan only because he is a Dalit.  He deserved it anyway and as Ravi sir said, he should in fact have been given the Bharat Ratna. Yes, by all means recognise his Dalit background - by canonising his vast body of work in rural music which is increasingly getting the short shrift.

CK is right .. Plum is missing the point, even though he may have a valid perspective. It is highly mischievous of the news paper to write like that. It hints that the award was not well deserved and wants to publish his background to the whole wide world so if there are any anachronistic racists/casteists left they will rally around to continue their discriminatory acts. I think BR's comments are pretty innocuous compared to this and not in the same category. If you are from a non-veg background and say you dont eat non-veg (anymore) you will get the same reaction . And it is almost taken lightly/ignored. For that matter, one of our fellow IR fan here in the forum accused IR of the same. His vegetarianism, sanskrit learning, religiousness all lead to these sort of comments. But it is very sad all those 3 things are real virtues or religious piety and that, that should put you in this position. What a society !!!!