Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 4

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இளையராஜா அனுப்பிய நோட்டீஸ் - எஸ்.பி.பாலசுப்ரமணியம் 'ஷாக்' ஃபேஸ்புக் பதிவு!

கடந்த சில மாதங்களாக உலகளவில் இசைக் கச்சேரிகளை நடத்திவருகிறார் பாடகர் எஸ்.பி.பாலசுப்ரமணியம். கச்சேரிக்காக இவரது அணி தற்போது அமெரிக்காவில் இருக்கிறது. அங்கிருந்து தன்னுடைய அதிகாரப்பூர்வ ஃபேஸ்புக் பக்கத்தில், இசை ரசிகர்களுக்கு அதிர்ச்சி கொடுக்கும் பதிவு ஒன்றை வெளியிட்டுள்ளார். அதில் இளையராஜா சார்பில் இவருக்கு அனுப்பப்பட்டுள்ள நோட்டீஸ் குறித்து குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார்.

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ரசிகர்களுக்கு வணக்கம். சியாட்டிலிலும், லாஸ் ஏஞ்சல்ஸிலும் நடைபெற்ற இசைக்கச்சேரியில் கலந்துகொண்டவர்களுக்கும், அந்நிகழ்ச்சியை ஏற்பாடு செய்தவர்களுக்கும் நன்றி.
சில நாட்களுக்கு முன்பு, இளையராஜாவின் சார்பில் அவரது வழக்கறிஞர், எனக்கும், சரணுக்கும், பாடகி சித்ராவிற்கும், உலகளவில் கச்சேரியை நடத்தும் ஒருங்கிணைப்பாளர்களுக்கும் நோட்டீஸ் ஒன்றை அனுப்பியுள்ளார். அந்த நோட்டீஸில் 'இளையராஜா கம்போஸ் செய்த பாடல்களை அவரின் அனுமதி இல்லாமல் மேடையில் பாடவோ, இசைக்கச்சேரி நடத்தவோ கூடாது. அதையும் மீறி செய்தால் காப்புரிமை சட்டத்திற்கு எதிராகிவிடும். எனவே மிகப்பெரிய அபராதத்தொகையை சட்டப்படி தரவேண்டியிருக்கும்' என்று குறிப்பிட்டிருந்தது. ஆனால் இந்த மாதிரியான சட்ட திட்டங்கள் பற்றிய புரிதல் எனக்கு இல்லை. 
என் மகன் சரண்தான், இந்த உலக கச்சேரியை ஏற்பாடு செய்தார். 'எஸ்.பி.பி.50' என்ற பெயரில் கடந்தவருடம் டொரன்டோவில் முதல் கச்சேரியைத் தொடங்கினோம். அதன்பிறகு ரஷ்யா, ஶ்ரீலங்கா, மலேசியா, சிங்கப்பூர், துபாய் மற்றும் இந்தியா உட்பட பல நாடுகளில் நிகழ்ச்சி நடத்திவருகிறோம். அப்போதெல்லாம் இளையராஜா சார்பில் எந்த நோட்டீஸும் வரவில்லை. ஆனால் அமெரிக்காவில் இசைக்கச்சேரி நடத்தும் போது மட்டும் ஏன் இந்த நோட்டீஸ் அனுப்பப்பட்டுள்ளது என்பதுதான் தெரியவில்லை. முதலில் சொன்னமாதிரி எனக்கு இந்த சட்டம் குறித்த அறிவு கிடையாது. ஆனாலும் இதுதான் சட்டம் என்றால் எற்றுக்கொள்ள தயாராக இருக்கிறேன். 
இந்த சூழ்நிலையில் நானும், எங்கள் அணியினரும், இன்றிலிருந்து இளையராஜாவின் பாடல்களை மேடையில் பாட மாட்டோம். ஆனாலும் இந்த கச்சேரி நடக்கவேண்டும். கடவுளின் ஆசீர்வாதத்தில் இளையராஜா தவிர, பல இசையமைப்பாளர்களின் இசையில் நான் பாடல்கள் பாடியிருக்கிறேன். அந்த பாடல்களை இனிவரும் கச்சேரிகளில் பாடுவேன். இனிவரவிருக்கும் அனைத்து கச்சேரிகளுக்கும் உங்களின் ஆசீர்வாதம் இருக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன். உங்களின் அன்புக்கும், ஆதரவிற்கும் நான் எப்பொழுதும் கடமைப்பட்டிருக்கிறேன். 
உங்கள் அனைவரிடமும் நான் கேட்கும் ஒரே கோரிக்கை, இந்த விஷயம் பற்றி எந்தவிதமான விவாதமோ, கருத்தோ சொல்ல வேண்டாம். கடவுளின் எண்ணம் இதுவென்றால் இதுவே நடக்கட்டும்."

கருத்து சொல்ல வேண்டாம் என்றால் அவ்வளவு வன்மமான பதிவுகளை முகநூலில் அவர் ஏன் அனுமதிக்க வேண்டும்?

ராசா நரகத்தில் உழல வேண்டும் என்றெல்லாம் அங்கே கமெண்ட் இருக்கிறது?

அயோக்கியத்தனம்! 

டிக்கட் வாங்கியவர்களுக்கு மட்டும் சொன்னால் போதாதா?  

இந்தப்பதிவு மற்றும் அங்குள்ள கருத்துக்கள் கள்ளத்தனம் என்று அடித்துச்சொல்வேன்! (கச்சேரி அமைப்பாளர்களின் அழுத்தம் என்று பாலுவுக்கு "benefit of doubt" கொடுக்கிறேன்)

ank wrote:

Wizzy wrote:

Then I commented to him that how there are his songs for every emotion we go through and told him that I use the song "Koovungal Sevalgale" from Thanikaatu Raja when I need a pick-up in my emotional state.

I can visualize Raaja  going   antha paata.. /

Me: ha ha!!! ROTFL

ank says:
I remember his puzzled look   however, in my & that song's defense, I loved that song because it was such a perfect song for call to action/war.....the composition and the orchestration builds to that frenzy (in comparison a song for a similar sequence in Ayudha Ezhuthu does not stimulate similar level of ezhuchi....)

yen? andha paattukku enna koraichal? I used to prefer this beatsy number over the somewhat boring MSV's 'vArungaL ondrAi sErungaL", on similar lines, from Rajinikant starrer  RAnuvaveeran which came around the same time. Ofcourse "koovungaL" and "nAn dhaandaa ippo" had bleak chance against giants like "sandhana kaatre" and "rAsAve unaa naan". Having said that, if I were in ank's place, I would have fared no better. I might have blurted out some obscure number like "pani kaatrin kuLumai" , which even some die hardliners might not care about.

Deeply saddened by the turn of events between the septuagenarian legends. Only hope that better sense prevails in sorting out any ego issues in privacy and in amicable manner. As loyal fans of these legends in their twilight zone, we expect nothing more other than wishing for their long, healthy life with peace of mind. Both of them have showered us with so much abundance to last many  life times.

yen? andha paattukku enna koraichal?

onnum koraichal ellai  I have heard multiple instances of Raaja deadpanning/not sharing fan's curiosity over their fav. song(s).

On copyrights, India samguam oru eliya arimugam(eventhough it is for a Amit song) still it hits quite close to home.
creeps who are up in arms against Raaja are the ones like these.



though pretty shady of SPB to feign ignorance about copyright laws for which he fought tooth/nail for all his songs and to get his friend Gingai to his billing by spewing vitriol 

I am a big supporter of Ilaiyaraaja and have been one since the late 70s - the type that has'nt watched a MR movie since Thalapathi.  I have thought about this row with the SPB show and organizers quite a bit.

I have read Suresh's brilliant articles in Twittlonger on this subject - While I agree that Ilaiyaraaja is right legally in his rights to press that organizers should have taken his prior permission, I wish that he had not taken this course of action given the relationship with SPB since their old days - even prior to his break as a music director.  Given the shows are in felicitation of the 50th year of SPB's career.  He could have sorted to soft sounding Charan through YSR/Karthi Raja to ensure the permission is taken.  IR gets to lose much more than what he gains in this instance.

It gives fodder to the anti-IR people to further diminish his accomplishments.  In a circle of friends this morning, there was one of them calling IR as a d...head.  It was hurtful to hear such comments on someone who should be celebrated by our people.

To see SPB as one of the detractors of Raja is quite disheartening.  

This is really a sad turn of events. For some two people who have worked together for such a long time with scintillating output, this is not what the normal people expect from them. I am guessing there might have been issues with SPB singing for IR concerts (he did not show up here in San Jose) and now IR must have been upset, "if he cannot come to sing with me, I will see how he can do his own concerts". Time for IR to cool and SPB should be nice enough with the quirky genius. He has sung for other MDs, I doubt the audience will be satisfied with non-IR songs.

kiru wrote:This is really a sad turn of events. For some two people who have worked together for such a long time with scintillating output, this is not what the normal people expect from them. I am guessing there might have been issues with SPB singing for IR concerts (he did not show up here in San Jose) and now IR must have been upset, "if he cannot come to sing with me, I will see how he can do his own concerts". Time for IR to cool and SPB should be nice enough with the quirky genius. He has sung for other MDs, I doubt the audience will be satisfied with non-IR songs.

As Nerd said, let them headbang to இயற்க்கை என்னும்ம்ம்ம்ம்ம்ம்... I find nothing wrong in what Raaja did. SPB converting this to SPB vs Raaja in the public eye on FB is the real dishonest thing here. Notice has gone to concert organizers, and by extension, the singers who performed. US copyright laws are clear in that concert organizers are responsible in contacting the composer, getting permission and paying royalties. They did not. They are at fault. SPB should have mentioned this in the FB post if he had honesty. Instead, he let the concert organizers shoot from behind his shoulders. Not buying that he was unaware of copyright laws because he has been at the forefront in fighting for singers' rights to royalties. It is unfortunate and sad to see him make this personal. I love his voice and will always love his songs, especially the ones with Raaja. But this time he gets a 

Wow! I hear lot of hatred over the internet on Raja over the issue. The hatred has gone to extremes that one went to the extent of playing pichchai paathiram yEndhi vandhEn. That's the cruel and heart-less world we are living in. While I strongly condemn these kind of barbaric attacks, one thing everyone has to remember. None of us, I mean not a single person is entitled to express their views on Raja or copyrights, as we don't have rights to talk about it at all, as sometime or other we have downloaded music illegally. There would not be any exception at all in this category. Imagine if your company does not give salary for the work you do, just for a day, leave alone month.

Many ask a dumb question. If Raja, already got this due from the producer for this work, why is he claiming again in the form of copyrights? Remember producers are bound by the FILM CONTEXT and FILM CONTEXT ONLY. They are selling their product to a theaters/distributors, to TV channels and online. So as long as they play it on their theaters or respective TV channels, or legal online sites they are covered. Remember Raja does not claim when his music is played in this theater without his permission, or it is being played in this TV channel without his permission. Because it is played within the FILM context, as the original video is shown along with the music. If any illegal online sites are playing their films or videos, then it is a question of producers to fight. So producers are only bound by the FILM CONTEXT.

Even Raja's legal advisor did not make it clear. Only thing he keeps on saying is, if they make it a business by a "ticketing" system or music radio stations etc, that's where our target is. They should inform us. While he makes it clear that the marriage reception concerts or any village festivals are not their targets (that's where Raja is very precise, as always). This is very good, as he knows they do it for their bread and butter. Only when they go to the next level on their business, that's where the problem is. But the adviser should have made it more clear that the problem is when the music is played outside of the FILM CONTEXT or outside of the SAME FILM CONTEXT where there is no involvement of producers or directors, except for the lyricist.

I understand it would be shocking for anyone to receive a legal notice in between their concerts, but it should not be for SPB, if his heart tells truth. But by going and posting in FB, SPB has certainly played a victim card as he knows people are always behind the "myth" that humble people are always correct. I don't want to tie his earlier talk about him asking his friend to hang himself to this legal notice, but I certainly see this as a "karma" does not leave anyone alone, I take it is a God given punishment to SPB for uttering such inhuman words against another human, leave alone his friend. It does not matter, if Raja had seen/heard that video, it would have been the same. Just that, it is hell shocking for me and every fan, as we never expected/imagined SPB would say such a thing. Even assuming and giving full benefit of doubt to SPB that he didn't target IR, but still how can someone say, one has to hang himself, since he has an ego? And who are you to say that? To say those words, how high you ego should be? I still can't come out of those words.

I also understand that SPB and his organizers does not want to go and talk to IR, so that can still sing his songs, because their ego is hurt. That's also the reason for the FB post. Ideally, he should have defended the legal action him being part of the songs, or he should have sent the organizers to Raja before the tour. Instead they decided to sing non-IR songs, rather than going and getting approval from him. So only when it comes to hurting your ego, all your humbleness and honest all are put to test. I remember now how/why and where this famous proverb, "All that glitters is not Gold" might have come from.

There may be issues within them, but when it goes public, that's where the problem is. Even people ridicule this video asking how did you come to the conclusion that he is talking about Raja, it can be generic too. That means you concur with Raja being arrogant and egoist person. First of all, I would ask, what is the need to talk about it that time? He intentionally and carefully chosehis words, he specifically addresses directors and comes to "music director", which clearly says whom his target is, (but we should not assume so). Also assume, even if I come your way, answer me, what is the need to talk such a topic, which is not relevant?. Assuming, he wants to praise Bhagiyaraj for his humbleness etc, what is the need to degrade others to do this? Even that is accepted, fine, what is the need to use such inhuman words, which was never heard in SPB's dictionary? Did Raja ever ever talk ill about the people, especially the whole KB gang, VM, GV, BR, or Gangai Amaran who always speaks ill of him? His silence and non-reciprocation becomes a mighty weapon for all you guys that you blast him of any small opportunities. Is that right? Tell from your bottom of your heart.

Still SPB (even after uttering such words) is far better than Raja's brother. He talks in singular in a public space about his brother. I don't consider him as human at all. He again speaks all nonsense that when we played MSV's music whom did we give the royalty. When we are talking about current changing scenarios, he always get stuck with the past where no one had any idea of copyrights. And remember, you too did for your bread and butter at that time. He is saying, music is for everyone. How funny! and this guy was in the jury. How funny! He even went to the extent that Raja is eyeing for money at this age. How cruel his understanding. Assuming even if it is true, what is wrong with it? When a brother has a understanding like this, having lived with him for so long, it is better to just to ignore his meaningless noise. And none of them are getting that he is doing not just for him, he is trying to regulate for the upcoming artists, so that everyone gets their due for their "original" creativity.

When he knows he does not have a good name among the public/media and he will become an easy target, he still thrives to regulate this royalty issue, so that current and future generations can breathe a easy life, but how many of us will even think and understand this. Every one must remember that this is really an eye opener, not just for creators, but also for the listeners on how we listen music.

Music Copyright Issue - analysis by Suresh
Part 1:
There is lot of debate going on about Raja demanding a royalty from SPB and his troupe for singing Raja's compositions. Before I come to the Raja vs SPB issue, let us talk about royalty issue.

There is a lot of talk about who has the royalty for a song. Is it the producer, music director, singer, musicians who played along? Can a song be created without the participation of all these people? And so on. The answer is simple. Royalty lies with whoever has the legal right. Cynical yes but that is the only enforceable right. For example, you work day and night for your company. When the profits pour in at the end of the year, you will not get any dividend, if you don't hold any stocks. We can always claim that the company is nothing without the workers but legally profits belong to the shareholders and not the workers. Same with royalty. Whoever has the legal rights gets the royalty and has every right to enforce people to him/her the royalty.

Royalty issues are not new nor settled as far as the music field goes. Lata Mangeshkar went on to fight with the high and mighty in order to get the royalty. Her co-singer Rafi was of the opinion that once he had been paid by producers, he doesn't need royalty. Lata disagreed and she had the foresight to understand what royalty means. Lata didn't sing with Rafi, she didn't sing for S D Burman and so on because they refused to give her royalty. Eventually, she won.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/…/articlesh…/18164008.cms

So the royalty wars are not new. Secondly, they are not settled yet. Read this article where Rahman clearly states that he is in favour of the music directors receiving a royalty. He also supports the singers getting the royalty (which means that they are not getting it now). Also note another point here. The MD can sign off his royalty to the music company. (Rahman refuses to answer if he has signed off royalty for a film to T series)
http://www.koimoi.com/…/a-r-rahman-extends-support-to-the-…/
Here you can see that Shankar Ehsan Loy, Sonu Nigam and others have also been involved in this royalty war
http://www.bollywoodlife.com/…/after-abhay-deol-t-series-i…/
According to this article, "There was a Copy right Act notified on 21st June,2012, Artists now have a right to equal share of royalty."
http://daily.bhaskar.com/…/ENT-abhay-deol-continues-his-ope…
My guess is that every music director would be exercising his right to royalty.

Part 2: SPB vs Raja royalty issue - The legal angle
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In my earlier twitlonger I had spoken about the royalty debate in general http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spne9f Let's now come to the SPB vs Raja issue.

As a background, SPB had written a FB post saying he got a legal notice saying that he has to pay a royalty to perform Raja songs on his show. SPB said he was surprised to receive this notice and that he decided not to perform any Raja songs in his forthcoming shows in US. This has led to a lot of debate.
The debate has two angles to it, the legal and the moral. Let's deal with the legal angle first. If Raja does have the rights for the song, based on whatever is the law, enforcing copyright is right. As an example, here are some links in which we see Rahman enforcing his copyright on the usage of 'Jai Ho'
http://www.hindustantimes.com/…/story-KwDgb7QaS9OrBYhxdCyzL…

We do not know the content of the legal notice so we cannot comment on it. (Even if we did have the contents we cannot comment on it until we are lawyers because we won't understand much of what is written ) All we can say is that if such a legal notice was received, there were a couple of options for SPB. If his team found it legally sound, then they had two options: pay Raja the royalty and continue or stop playing Raja songs. If his team found that the legal notice was not enforceable, they could have just gone ahead and played the songs and ask Raja to go sue them. SPB preferred not to play the songs. So was the notice enforceable?

Everything boils down to the copyright law and what is says about performances. If the singer has rights on a performance, then even if the composer performs those songs, royalty must be paid to the singer. So if SPB has performance rights to the song, if Raja plays those songs in his concerts, he will need to pay SPB. (Provided SPB has the right). Same way the singer needs to pay the MD for singing his/her own songs. This is complicated but atlleast there is a framework within which this can be resolved. We can't say the same for the moral angle, read below...

Part 3: SPB vs Raja royalty issue - The moral angle
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If you were to see the reactions to SPB's FB post, more people have a problem with the moral angle here than the legal one. They questions being asked are, "How can Raja do this to SPB?", "Why is Raja acting so petty?", "Why has Raja become so money minded?", "Does SPB not have right to sing his own songs?" and so on. Valid instant reactions from people to SPB's post.

What we need to understand is that our first reaction many a time is based on the way the incident is told. Here is an interview with the music director Pritam wherein he says, "“If say, I earned five lakhs from a song like ‘Subha Hone Na De,’ Mika has earned minimum 10-15 crores. The difference is too much!” your sympathy is going to be with Pritam. http://rollingstoneindia.com/pritam-and-the-politics-of-bo…/
So let's try and frame this incident differently. As of now, SPB seems to have the upper hand, morally. Assume that SPB's concerts were on and Raja had posted something like "SPB is making crores in these concerts but is refusing to a pay a small sum as royalty to me, which I am entitled legally". Now the whole moral angle becomes different, isn't it? (It is just that Raja would never come and post something like FB )

A very important thing to note here is that SPB is not unaware of these procedures, though he gives a 'naan appadiye shock aayiten' reaction in his post. He has been in the forefront trying to get the royalty for singers. You can read it here: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/…/articlesh…/21931993.cms
Even Chitra for that matter has full knowledge of the royalty issue
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/…/articlesh…/48169167.cms

Unknown to most people what Balu has done here is protect the organizers of his concert tour. If you read his post carefully he says that the organizers also received a legal notice about obtaining permission. The legal stand for performance as given in this link is "However, the responsibility for procuring this license usually falls on the venue or organization hosting the band. Owners of performance venues purchase license agreements from one or all of the big PROs" https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/royalties-for-cover-songs, In other words, the royalty has to be paid by the organizers and not SPB. By deliberately putting this up as a fight between him and Raja, he has pushed the organizers to the background. It was their job to procure the permission but they didn't do it.

While you can claim that SPB has a moral right because he gave his life to the song, what moral right does the organizer have in not paying Raja his royalty? The organizers are making crores. They are paying SPB and Chitra crores. So why not pay a small sum as royalty and get the permission? Why is SPB not asking this question to the organizers? It is clear that the organisers want to make as much profit as possible, don't want to pay Raja and are now shooting from SPB's shoulders. It will also be pertinent to ask SPB is he is performing Rahman's songs without his permission. That will tell us the true state of affairs. Of whether SPB doesn't worry about any music director or if it is only in the case of Raja songs.

I would personally say that when SPB is making crores singing songs composed by Raja while he refuses to ask organizers to pay Raja his royalty (or get his permission), shows him to the petty person. He should have pushed his organizers to do the moral thing, which he refused to do. Additionally, he has now protected the organizers by making this an SPB vs Raja affair. Very unfortunate that this has to go this way.

Hats off to Suresh for such detailed analysis.

As V_S says, none of us are qualified to comment about the issue.

This issue surfaced when Raja went to court a few years ago. Let's keep our liking for SPB's voice separate from this issue. In a way, let this blow up as much as it can, and there must be settlement at the end of it, however ugly it turns out. Legal wrangles are not pretty. Raja would have thought about it before letting his American lawyers serve this notice.

In my view, screw the fallout - the copyright issue resolution is the end goal and Raja's team must not retract till they achieve their goal. SPB's case is quite strategic as lesser singers will not mess around with copyright issues once Raja's team achieves its goal. They should go out and publish how much the SPB sponsors settled the issue for openly. That will send a spine chill for all the others who want to take Raja's work for granted.

சரண் சொன்னதாக வந்த சில டீவீட்களைக்கண்டதும் எனக்கு ரத்த அழுத்தம் எகிறியது!

- இந்த 2000 இல்லாட்டி என்ன, மிச்ச 38000 பாடுவார் எங்கப்பா 
- இவ்வளவு நாள் சொல்லாம இப்ப சொல்றது தான் சந்தேகமா இருக்கு 

இப்படியெல்லாம் தர்மம்-நியாயம் பேசுது கொடுக்கு.

எலே நீயெல்லாம் ஒரு ஆளுன்னு ராசா பத்திப்பேசுறியா? 

ஒரு வழியாக, "ஸ்திரீ மானபங்கக்கேஸில் ஸ்டேஷன் போன பயலெல்லாம் தர்மம் பேசுறான்"  அப்படீன்னு ட்வீட் வழியே குருதியை அமைதிப்படுத்தினேன்

அமர் சிங் வீடியோ எதிர்பார்த்தது போலவே அமைந்திருந்தது.

பின் வரும் வரிகளில் உள்ள "pun"(பண்)-ஐ மன்னிக்கவும் :

பண்ணை வீட்டுக்காக வழக்கு மன்றம் சென்று உரிமைக்காகப் போராடும் பண்ணைப்புரத்தான், "பண்"ணை உரிமைப்படுத்த வழக்கு மன்றத்தில் வென்ற பண்ணைப்புரத்தானை ஏன் திட்டுகிறான்? 

குருதியும் தக்காளிச்சட்னியும்?

 மறுபடியும்

"மோசமாகப் பேசாதீங்க" - அப்படீன்னு சொல்லீட்டு ஆயிரத்துக்கும் மேலே திட்டும் கமெண்ட்களை ஏற்றுக்கொள்வது, எல்லோருக்கும் காட்டுவது.

அதாவது, "நான் பேசாதீங்க"ன்னு சொன்னா, "உரக்கப்பேசுங்க" ன்னு பொருள்.

இப்போ சொல்றார் - 'பரபரப்பு செய்தி ஆக்காதீங்க".

அப்டீன்னா, "பரபரப்பு செய்தி ஆக்குங்க" என்று பொருள். 
(ஆயிடும், ஆயிடுச்சு என்று தெரிந்தே செய்வது).

"காசு கொடுக்க மாட்டோம், உன் பாட்டையே பாடலை" அப்டீன்னு முடிவு செஞ்சு, முகநூலில் பதித்து, ஊர் முழுக்க எல்லோரும் கும்மி அடிக்க வைத்து விட்டு, மெல்லச்சொல்கிறார் - பரபரப்பு ஆக்காதீங்க.

இவற்றில் எல்லாம் மிகக்கொடுமை ராசாவை மிக அசிங்கமாகத் திட்டிய கருத்துக்களுக்கு "ஆமாம் சாமி" போட்டது

அடுத்து என்ன பாலு சார்? 

கங்கை கூடக்கட்சியில் சேர்ந்து தேர்தலில் நிற்பதா? 

அது ஒன்று தான் மிச்சம்.

 தினமலரின் ராசா ஆதரவுப்பதிப்பு

சென்னை:தமிழ் சினிமாவில் இன்றைய ஹாட் டாப்பிக்காக போய் கொண்டிருப்பது இளையராஜா - எஸ்.பி.பாலசுப்ரமணியம் இடையேயான காப்பி ரைட்ஸ் பிரச்னையை பற்றியது தான். இசை அமைப்பாளர் இளையராஜா தனது பாடல்களை எஸ்.பி.பாலசுப்பிரமணியம் பாடக்கூடாது என்று நோட்டீஸ் அனுப்பி உள்ளார். எஸ்.பி.பாலசுப்பிரமணியமும் இனி இளையராஜா இசை அமைத்த பாடல்களை பாட மாட்டேன் என்று அறிவித்துள்ளார். இது இசையுலகில் பெரும் பரபரப்பை ஏற்படுத்தி உள்ளது.

இளையராஜா - எஸ்.பி.பி. இருவருக்கும் ஏற்பட்டுள்ள மோதல் குறித்து பல்வேறு தரப்பில் பலவிதமான கருத்துகள் பதிவு செய்யப்பட்டு வருகின்றன. இளையராஜா ஏதோ பணத்தாசைப் பிடித்தவர் போலவும் எஸ்.பி.பி. அவர்கள் ஆசைகளை துறந்தவர் போலவும் இணையதளத்தில் கருத்துகளை கூறி வருகிறார்கள். இதுப்பற்றிய 10 முக்கிய அம்சங்கள் என்னவென்று இங்கு பார்ப்போம்...

01. இளையராஜா - எஸ்பிபி., இடையேயான மோதல் ஏதோ ராயல்டி பிரச்னை என்று பார்க்கப்படுகிறது. உண்மையை சொல்லப்போனால் இருவருக்கும் கடந்த 6 மாத காலமாகவே ஒரு வித பனிப்போர் நடந்து வருகிறது என்று கோலிவுட்டில் பரவலாக பேசப்படுகிறது. 

02. கடந்த வருடம் அமெரிக்காவில் நடந்த இளையராஜாவின் இசை கச்சேரிக்கு 7 லட்சம் வாங்கி கொண்டிருந்த எஸ்பிபி., 20 லட்சம் தந்தால் தான் வருவேன் என அதிரடியாக தன் சம்பளத்தை உயர்த்தி கறாராக நடந்து கொண்டு அந்த நிகழ்ச்சியையே புறக்கணித்து அமெரிக்கா போகாமல் இருந்துவிட்டாராம், அதன் வெளிப்பாடு தான் இந்த பிரச்னை என்கிறார்கள்.

03. இதுஒருபுறம் இருக்க இளையராஜா- எஸ்.பி.பிக்கு இடையேயான பிரச்சனைஅவர்களுக்கிடையேயானது அல்ல, அவர்களின் வாரிசுகளுக்கிடையேயான பிரச்சனை என்று கூறப்படுகிறது. கார்த்திக் ராஜாவை போன்றே, எஸ்.பி.பி.சரணும் தனது தந்தையை வைத்து உலகம் முழுக்க கச்சேரி நடத்த முடிவு செய்துள்ளார். அந்த போட்டியின் வெளிப்பாடு தான் பிரச்னைக்கு முக்கிய காரணம் என்கிறார்கள்.

04. காப்புரிமை சட்டம் பற்றிய புரிதல் இல்லாமல் போய்விட்டது. சட்டப்படி, எந்த ஒரு பாடலையும் கேசட், சிடி, அல்லது நவீன கால ஐடியூன்ஸ் போன்றவை மூலமே விலைக்கு வாங்க வேண்டும். ரேடியோவில், டிவி சேனலில் கேட்கும் போது அந்தந்த நிறுவனங்கள் அதை விலை கொடுத்துத் தான் வாங்குகின்றன. அப்படிபார்க்கும் போது சட்டப்படி இளையராஜா செய்தது சரி தான். 

05. ஒரு படைப்பாளி தன் படைப்பின் மீதான உரிமையை நிலை நாட்டுவதையே தவறு என்றும் பேராசை என்றும் எப்படி சொல்ல முடியும்.

06. எஸ்பிபி.யின் வெளிநாட்டுப் பயணம் ஏதோ மக்களை மகிழ்விக்கும் இலவசப் பயணம் அல்ல. நூறு சதவீதம் பணம் வசூலிக்கும்இசை நிகழ்ச்சிகள். நிகழ்ச்சியை ரசிக்க வரும் மக்களிடமிருந்து வசூலிக்கும் பல லட்சம், மில்லியன் டாலர்களிலிருந்து, பாடுகிறவர்களுக்கு, இசைக் கலைஞர்களுக்கு என எல்லாத் தரப்புக்கும் பணம் தருகிறார்கள். அந்தப் பாடல்களை உருவாக்கிய படைப்பாளியான இளையராஜா, தனக்கான உரிமையை நிலை நாட்ட முயன்றால் மட்டும் 'பேராசையா'? என்ற கேள்வி எழுகிறது.

07. இந்த நோட்டீஸ், வணிக ரீதியில், அவரது பாடல்களை பயன்படுத்துவோருக்கே அனுப்பப்பட்டுள்ளது. சாதாரண மேடைகச்சேரி நடத்துவோர், ராயல்டி செலுத்த வேண்டியதில்லை என்று இளையராஜா தரப்பு கூறிவிட்டது கவனிக்கத்தக்கது.

08. தனது பாடல்களை பாட பணம் தர வேண்டும் என்று இளையராஜா கேட்பது சாதாரண மக்களை பாதிக்காதா என்றும் ஒரு கருத்து நிலவி வருகிறது. காப்புரிமையை பற்றியெல்லாம் பேசினால் இளையராஜாவின் இசையை கேட்பது குறைந்துவிடும் என்பது அவரது ரசிகர்களுக்கு ஏற்பட்டுள்ள அச்சம். 

09. தனக்கு கிடைக்கும் ராயல்டி தொகையை தான் மட்டும் அனுபவிக்காமல், அதில் ஒரு பகுதியை சம்பந்தப்பட்ட பாடலாசிரியர் மற்றும் தயாரிப்பாளருக்கு தருவதாக இளையராஜா கூறியிருக்கிறார். 

10. ராயல்டி கலாச்சாரத்தை ஏதோ இளையராஜா மட்டும் தான் கேட்கிறார் என்ற தவறான கண்ணோட்டம் உள்ளது. உண்மையை சொல்லப்போனால், ரஹ்மான் உள்ளிட்ட பல இசையமைப்பாளர்கள் தங்களுக்கான ராயல்ட்டியை பெற்ற இசை நிகழ்ச்சிகளை நடத்துகிறார்கள்.

"அது தான் படத்துக்கு அப்பவே சம்பளம் வாங்கினியே"ன்னு கங்கை போன்ற சிலதுகள் சொல்வதற்கு இப்படியும் ஒரு மறுமொழி :

Pratap Pothen replying to some nut case claiming that without producer nothing is going to happen in cinema :

Pratap wrote:
I was the producer of my first film meendum oru kaathal kathai...he did it free for me...don't compare ilayaraja with others. He is a genius. Every one lived of his compositions. Don't deny him his genius

வேதனைக்கு ஒரு மகனை வீட்டினிலே வளர்த்து வந்தேன் 
செல்லம்மா எந்தன் செல்லம்மா 

சரண் ஏற்கெனவே பெண்கள், போதை, கடன்கள் என மாட்டாத சிக்கலில்லை. எல்லாவற்றிலிருந்தும் அவரை மீட்டுக் கொண்டு வந்தவர் எஸ்பிபி. படத் தயாரிப்பும் சரணுக்கு பெரிதாகக் கைகொடுக்கவில்லை. இப்போது தன் அப்பாவை அழைத்துக் கொண்டு உலகம் சுற்றி கச்சேரி நடத்திக் கொண்டிருக்கிறார். இந்தக் கச்சேரிகளில் 40 பாடல்கள் பாடப்படுகின்றன என்றால், அவற்றில் 32-35 பாடல்கள் இளையராஜா இசையில் உருவாகி, எஸ்பிபியுடன் இணைந்து பிற கலைஞர்கள் பாடியவை. அதாவது 80 சதவீதத்துக்கும் மேலான பாடல்கள் ராஜாவுடையவை. மற்ற இசையமைப்பாளர்களின் பாடல்கள் நான்கைந்து மட்டுமே. எனவேதான் அவற்றுக்குரிய காப்புரிமைத் தொகையைக் கோருகிறார் ராஜா. அதுவுமில்லாமல், ஒரு கச்சேரிக்கு மக்களிடமிருந்து பெறும் கட்டணம் எப்படியும் 100 டாலர் வரை இருக்கும். இது பக்கா வர்த்தகம். இதில் முக்கிய முதலீடே ராஜாவின் பாடல்கள்தான். அதற்கான நியாயமான பலனைத் தர ஏன் இத்தனை கஷ்டம். மெல்ல மெல்ல இப்போதுதான் மக்கள் இந்தப் பிரச்சினையைப் புரிந்து வருகின்றனர். இந்த நிலையில் எஸ்பிபி மகன் சரண் திருவாய் மலர்ந்திருக்கிறார். இளையராஜா இசையமைக்க வருவதற்கு முன்பே எஸ்பிபி பாட ஆரம்பித்துவிட்டாராம். அதனால் இளையராஜா பாட்டை இனி பாடவேண்டியதில்லை என்றெல்லாம் கூறியிருக்கிறார். “

Drunkenmunk wrote:

kiru wrote:This is really a sad turn of events. For some two people who have worked together for such a long time with scintillating output, this is not what the normal people expect from them. I am guessing there might have been issues with SPB singing for IR concerts (he did not show up here in San Jose) and now IR must have been upset, "if he cannot come to sing with me, I will see how he can do his own concerts". Time for IR to cool and SPB should be nice enough with the quirky genius. He has sung for other MDs, I doubt the audience will be satisfied with non-IR songs.

As Nerd said, let them headbang to இயற்க்கை என்னும்ம்ம்ம்ம்ம்ம்... I find nothing wrong in what Raaja did. SPB converting this to SPB vs Raaja in the public eye on FB is the real dishonest thing here. Notice has gone to concert organizers, and by extension, the singers who performed. US copyright laws are clear in that concert organizers are responsible in contacting the composer, getting permission and paying royalties. They did not. They are at fault. SPB should have mentioned this in the FB post if he had honesty. Instead, he let the concert organizers shoot from behind his shoulders. Not buying that he was unaware of copyright laws because he has been at the forefront in fighting for singers' rights to royalties. It is unfortunate and sad to see him make this personal. I love his voice and will always love his songs, especially the ones with Raaja. But this time he gets a 

This is an excellent point and yes in that case I agree with you and Ravi that the fault really lies with SPB here when it was something IR and the concert organisers should have sorted out between themselves.

This is the best defense any one put forth, Journalist Somu says Raaja infringed on SPB's voice by introducing Mano who sounded very much like SPB, adhu copyright violation aavathay? and demands Raaja to share credits for using thenmaanku pandalgal,
 ethula Raaja fan'u tag vera    enna jenmamo.

App Saar pliss to add this specimen to your 'து-க-தூ-வி' list.



credit to Lyricist Murugan Manthiram for his articulation on this issue.

compared to the FM controversy and during the time he gave pressmeet with dhanu, this time, i  see lot and lot of ppl really understanging raja's stance and supporting him than spb

btw, report from spb show - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spnjhg

Looks like at least one celebrity condemns GA:
http://cinema.dinamalar.com/tamil-news/57454/cinema/Kollywood/the-way-gangai-amaran-talks-about-illaiyaraj-is-wrong-says-musicdirector-soundaryan.htm

Good job Soundaryan!

I don't know what other MD's are doing. 

At the minimum, hit out at such maniacal outbursts I say!

ராசாவின் முயற்சியால் பலன் கிடைத்தால் நல்லது என்று மனதுக்குள் இருக்கும்.

என்றாலும், கள்ள மௌனம்!

Last night, a friend from SF called. He attended the San Jose concert of SPB on Mar 19 (a day before the call). He told me that he has never attended a lack luster concert of Balu such as this. Between Balu and Charan they played good cop - bad cop and in his words, those MSV songs can only carry you to a point - damn this ego of Balu - he should have spoken and paid royalty to Raja. It was a huge impact on the singers as they had to wing many songs as they were unprepared.

Most audience were upset with Charan for his comments and behavior. The program was cut short to 3 hours. Kamesh posted a list on FB of the songs. Thank goodness, I did not go for SPB's first concert in Toronto.

Balu thought he was taking the moral high road - he forgot that he was driving around dead sea

ravinat wrote:Last night, a friend from SF called. He attended the San Jose concert of SPB on Mar 19 (a day before the call). He told me that he has never attended a lack luster concert of Balu such as this. Between Balu and Charan they played good cop - bad cop and in his words, those MSV songs can only carry you to a point - damn this ego of Balu - he should have spoken and paid royalty to Raja. It was a huge impact on the singers as they had to wing many songs as they were unprepared.

Most audience were upset with Charan for his comments and behavior. The program was cut short to 3 hours. Kamesh posted a list on FB of the songs. Thank goodness, I did not go for SPB's first concert in Toronto.

Balu thought he was taking the moral high road - he forgot that he was driving around dead sea

So this is why I am still a bit cautious on the subject of SPB's ability or lack thereof to pull off shows without IR songs.  He has a large enough repertoire to do so on paper, provided adequate preparation which may be possible for future shows.  The problems could be as follows:

(a) Mostly, his association with MSV coincided with the start of the composer's relatively mokka phase.  Even if there are some underrated gems from their partnership, it's possible that the typical MSV-listening crowd is not so fond of them and would prefer the TMS/PBS songs.  My chitappa who likes MSV more than IR does this.  Definitely more into "Yaar Andha Nilavu" rather than "Padum podhu Naan thendral kaatru".

(b)  The MSV crowd is largely of an older age group and may not turn up for shows.  IR appeals to more people in middle aged as well as youthu factor crowd and they would be interested in listening to SPB-IR songs rather than SPB-MSV. 

(c) SP-ARR do have great songs but it may wear thin over a 3 hour show and he may end up repeating too many songs in the shows.  Also, ARR-listening age group may not be SO much into SPB.  I do know people in their 30s or 40s who love SPB and are more into ARR than IR but they are Mumbai-based Tamils who did not grow up listening to much Tamil music at all.  NRIs migrated from TN who listen to ARR may not be specifically interested in a SPB show as opposed to a ARR show.  Another thing: apparently, ARR showed the way for IR long since when it came to royalties.  So imo SPB can't salvage those "huge losses" by switching over to the gumbal side. 

So for these reasons, it may prove to be difficult for SPB to disassociate from IR.  It is possible that he can get it done but it may not be as easy as he may have reckoned.  I know that I personally wouldn't pay a high ticket price to listen to MSV songs live even if it meant the opportunity to listen to SPB sing (and SPB is definitely one of my all time favourite singers).  Not that there aren't many, many MSV songs I like, even love, but maybe not grand enough that I want to hear them in a concert and I have never been very fond of the orchestration in his songs whether solo or with TKR.

Another clueless discussion, but I appreciate R V Udayakumar's guts to lash out on the press (last few minutes) and below-the-belt talks by Gangai Amaran

Just telling his name embarrasses my tongue and me.

RVU tells that he has been disrespected by inviting him to such a conversation and telecasting such a inhuman talk by GA. Even then that idiot host justifies that by quoting another participant's quote (as a host not even  thinking originally) saying that IR should have initiated a discussion with either Kamal or Rajini trying to solve this issue. What nonsense is this? If you are doing a concert, should you obtain legal permission from the royalty owner, or the owner should come to you to obtain the permission? What ridiculous argument?

I don't know why any press including the great The Hindu or Vikatan or any media lost their thinking abilities and also lost their credibility and honesty in putting forward their thoughts. Instead of taking responsibility to address and trying to solve the issue (which used to be their norm in earlier days), they are only looking to increase their TRP rating and also getting delighted out of these unfortunate circumstances, but not even thinking rightly. It is not only in TN or in India, it is elsewhere. Even if I may disagree with Trump on several of his policies, but as a president he is consistent to tell that the press is 'DISHONEST'. It is very true seeing how they don't have a clue on what to telecast, how to bring together a civic discussion to the table. That fellow keeps on talking without even worrying what the interviewer is asking. Just throwing all the hatred he has on Maestro, yet his talk is taken as another point of view rather than banning it. How sad!

If a person like GA who is severely and mindlessly lashing out IR, just because he has the convenience and advantage of being his brother, it does not mean the press have to telecast whatever nonsense he throws on the screen. More than GA, I regret and condemn the press of such irresponsible behavior. What is the respect such a press gives for a genius, but gives undue advantage of the ones who is against it (and who are here only because of that genius), just because Maestro is silent on the other end. These people do not and will not even realize what are they doing to Maestro in the name of such lame discussions.

On top of it, another fellow in the form of Puspavanam Kuppusamy, delivers all nonsense in the form of thamizhar panpaadu, kalaachaaram etc, but failed to condemn what he just saw on the screen. You don't have to be fan to condemn GA's talk. Any human would feel disappointed, sad and embarrassed. இதுல தமிழர் பண்பாடு , கலாச்சாரம்... நேர்மையையும், மனசாட்சியையும் எப்பவோ நாமெல்லாம் வித்தாச்சு, மண்ணாங்கட்டி இதையெல்லாம் தூக்கி குப்பையிலே போடுங்க.

This is one of the best I read so far on this issue:
http://tamil.filmibeat.com/news/educated-illiterates-spit-venom-on-maestro-045336.html

Fantastic, informative, authoritative post by Karikalan of AUS:
https://www.loveandloveonly.movie/single-post/2017/03/21/Understanding-Music-Copyrights

He nicely explains the details of the IP / copyright as well