Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

[url] vambu websites are having fun with the de-notified tribes [/url]

இந்த பஞ்சாயத்துக்கு இடையே புதிய பஞ்சாயத்து ஒன்றும் தலை தூக்கி இருக்கிறது. பாரதிராஜா படங்களில் அதிகம் இணைந்தவர் இளையராஜா. ‘நாடோடி தென்றல்’ படத்தில் கடைசியாக இணைந்த இந்த ஜோடி அதன்பிறகு இணையவில்லை. இருதரப்புக்கும் மனக்கசப்பு இருப்பதாக கோலிவுட்டில் பேச்சும் உள்ளது. பாலாவும் தனது படங்களுக்கு இளையராஜாவையே தேடுகிறார். சமீபத்தில் இயக்கிய ‘தாரை தப்பட்டை’ படத்துக்கும் இளையராஜா இசை அமைத்திருந்ததுடன் அப்படத்தின் பின்னணி இசைக்காக தேசிய விருதும் கிடைத்திருக்கிறது. ‘குற்றப்பரம்பரை’ படத்துக்கு இளையராஜா இசை அமைத்தால்தான் பொருத்தமாக இருக்கும் என்று இருதரப்பு பட குழுவும் கருத்து தெரிவித்துவரும் நிலையில் யார் இயக்கும் படத்துக்கு இளையராஜா இசை அமைப்பார் என்பது கேள்விக்குறியாக உள்ளது. 

app_engine wrote:

kamalaakarsh wrote:

kamalaakarsh wrote:Ilaiyaraaja wins National Award for Best Background Score for Tharai Thappattai. It is his 5th National Award. 

Gangai Amaren was part of the jury it seems. Are they even allowed to be part of jury if a relative is nominated? this is strange. In such cases, what is the process of voting?

Interesting to see this :
http://ns7.tv/ta/i-am-not-recommend-ilaiyaraja-national-award-gangai-amaran.html

GA says "I didn't reco"

GA talks more here... (in a not so nice way):

Gangai Amaran really got onto my nerves with this interview. You will not get the real heat with this English translation. You have to watch it live in (thamizh) to really understand the impact. Gangai Amaran at his arrogance/hatred best. There is a huge difference when one says, "There is no Ilaiyaraaja without me" Vs "There is no Ilaiyaraaja without me and I am nothing without Ilaiyaraaja" (like SPB said in the IR-1000 concert). While both of them are wrong, at-least we can ignore the latter (considering his honesty), but not what former said. I could only think of GA getting totally confused and mixed two different things (which he does all the time).

When he introduces a BGM to the jury members, he acted as a jury member, but when he says, 'he didn't like any song in TT, he says that as his brother and out of his personal frustration. There is much more to that in what we read in this English Translation. He was saying kaatril varum geethamE was the last good song he composed and hesitatingly adds NEPV to that. There itself he proved that he has got huge prejudice when it comes to listening recent IR songs. He acted the same way when judging the songs in TT. Nothing more which clearly shows how much he ignored listening to IR's music. The more outrageous comment was him was of equating IR to GVP, ARR kind of music and terming them like lot of talent coming out and IR is not the only one.

Each and every sentence uttered by him caused me so much pain and poison and I was hell shocked to hear that from him.

He also said that for IR-1000 function was organized by IR's own company (I don't know what company that was) and Vijay TV just organized. He cited that as the reason his family (GA, Venkat Prabhu & Premji) was not invited. He shamelessly asked the reporter to add this also.

He literally poured hell a lot of hatred in that interview and the reporter add burning oil to his answers and asked more irrelevant questions (including his personal life) unrelated to the National award, which also suggests that every media was waiting to show IR in bad light, while they conveniently forget the whole interview was itself had a very bad and cunning agenda and GA fell into it, without knowing what big sin and crime he committed (அண்ணனை மிகவும் அவமானப்படுத்திட்டார் மீடியா முன்பு) . He will never be forgiven.  

These people will never understand Maestro and it is shame GA being his brother, when he even failed to qualify as a human with this 45 minute interview.

 ராசாவுக்குப் பேத்தி பொறந்திருக்கா

app_engine wrote: ராசாவுக்குப் பேத்தி பொறந்திருக்கா

adhuvum... avarin manaiviyin birthday anniki...

Yuvanuku Ammavin blessings dhan idhu...........


Bhavatharini ‏@bhavatharini  15h15 hours ago
My bro Yuvan got a baby girl on my moms birthday... God bless @thisisysr @vasukibhaskar @Premgiamaren

Inji idupazhagi song from  Violin Vicky......

description edhuvum padikamal... paatai kaetadhum.. original madhiriyae irukae.. interludes ellam.. enna special endru theriyiavilaiyae endru
thoniyadhu..........  Description padithen........... solla varthai ilai...

from VV....

I think I sequenced this song around 15 years ago or so. Yesterday I was studying Raaja's Sindhubhairavi works and decided to revisit this song. The song is pre-sequenced in my Yamaha PSR-730 using the inbuilt 16 track sequencer. Every single note or beat that you hear is played manually by hand, one at a time in various tracks and played together. There is no software involved. The Video was shot on top as a reference. I would recommend Headphones while listening to it. It helps you understand how important the role of a Keyboardist on a small orchestra. We need to be on the guard from the word go and usually lead all the tracks of interludes solo and are busy providing chords support or strings backing when the singers sing..!!

idhu ellam indha jenmathil puriya poradhu ilai...... Therindhu kolla vaithu irukar God... Thats All.............. Repeated mode.......... Heaven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gog7pgevmOM

IR had less role compared to the prior three movies of Balki (in ki and kA).

However, that this has become a commercial hit is not a bad news

Look at this:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ki-and-ka-box-office-collection-arjun-kapoor-kareena-kapoors-film-passes-the-monday-test/1/635535.html

Arjun Kapoor and Kareena Kapoor's recent release, Ki and Ka, has struck the right chord with the audience. After a fabulous opening weekend, the film has been able to pass the Monday test with flying colours. R Balki's directorial venture has received a thumbs up from the fans and the film's box office collection is a proof of it.

 ஓய்

I read somewhere that "kidA poosAri magudi" also got released the same day. 

So, 40 years plus in the industry and still two movies releasing on the same day (however small they are) is an interesting fact - how many MD's can have a claim to such stats? 

game bgm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIGSO2gjZlg

app_engine wrote: ஓய்

I read somewhere that "kidA poosAri magudi" also got released the same day. 

So, 40 years plus in the industry and still two movies releasing on the same day (however small they are) is an interesting fact - how many MD's can have a claim to such stats? 

Plus, a latest BO hit movie in Hindi too . ippidi yArukku amaiyum?
konjam nAmum dhAn garva padalAmE

mythila wrote:

app_engine wrote: ஓய்

I read somewhere that "kidA poosAri magudi" also got released the same day. 

So, 40 years plus in the industry and still two movies releasing on the same day (however small they are) is an interesting fact - how many MD's can have a claim to such stats? 

Plus, a latest BO hit movie in Hindi too . ippidi yArukku amaiyum?
konjam nAmum dhAn garva padalAmE

I think another paired release was April 1 with Game and Ki Ka

Game background is amazing - on repeat.  Some shades of Onaiyum Aattukuttiyum..love it!

https://soundcloud.com/ravinat14/90-seconds-of-ilayaraja-continuum

Hi Ravi sir, where from this fgolden piece is?!?

https://soundcloud.com/ravinat14/90-seconds-of-ilayaraja-continuum

Hi Ravi sir, where from this fgolden piece is?!?

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:https://soundcloud.com/ravinat14/90-seconds-of-ilayaraja-continuum

Hi Ravi sir, where from this fgolden piece is?!?

madhu...

Ravinat sir has talked about in this thread:
https://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t112p200-unusual-observations-on-raja-s-orchestration#21580

Re: Gangai Amaran - @V_S - it is not as bad as you put it :-) . Songs are not good , ok your opinion, with out me no ilaiyaraaja .. ok you are his brother and you are taking some liberties with your contribution to his life.. fine. Only thing I found out-of-place was kaaRRil varum geethamE was the only good song kind of argument..that betrays his annoyance/envy for his brother. I dont see anything wrong with IR withdrawing into a shell to do his music.. he might have figured this is an ocean and I need to take deep dips in it.. any thing else is waste of time. The verdict on our life is not written by our relatives,friends, co-workers or bosses. It is time that gives out the verdict and I have no doubt about the verdict IR would receive.

kiru wrote:with out me no ilaiyaraaja .. ok .. fine.

Is it fine with you?   This statement talks huge arrogance and hatred according to me. When media and whoever gets any small opportunity to defame and malign Maestro's image, they come up with 'head-weight', 'karvi' etc, but what about this statement? Just hide under the carpet, just because he is not IR? All others are humility souls irrespective what they talk and act, but irrespective of how many good things IR does, he is not to be taken seriously, except wait for his open-minded truth which feels bitter to others and pour hatred on him. On top of all these irritating statements, Has IR ever spoke bad about BR, KB, VM, GA or anyone, when most of them back-stabbed IR? Each of the above have spoken ill about him whenever they get a chance. Who understand these things? The same VM who has uttered every time that IR has sent him vakkil notice, has he ever uttered why was the notice sent? (உடனே மக்களும் வாய பொளந்துகிட்டு வைரமுத்து பாவம், அவருக்கு போய் வக்கீல் நோட்டீஸ் ஆ? இளையராஜாவுக்கு எவ்வளவு திமிர்? without even understanding/thinking what would have caused him to take such an action) He cannot tell, because that's where lies the truth. All this bullshit aracheetrams. It is not fine with me at all   All this have to stop, it is high time, they take utmost liberty on IR, just because IR does not react.

'kiru wrote:Only thing I found out-of-place was kaaRRil varum geethamE was the only good song kind of argument..that betrays his annoyance/envy for his brother.

Again, this is a huge "arrogant" statement, especially coming from his brother who has worked closely with him for several years. As I stated, this prejudice literally stops in objectively analyzing any music coming from IR. I even assume this statement was uttered in severe confusion, as he was caught between their personal tiff and confusing that with listening to his outputs. If it is coming from some novice (and other camp fellows), I would totally understand, but not him.

I don't see anything wrong with IR withdrawing into a shell to do his music..

Withdrawing into shell is different and because of anger, he used anger as the protective shell/equipment to isolate from others is different. He has no business to talk about it either. This is again totally unwarranted both from the interviewer and GA. He could have avoided any personality analysis especially to the media, which was totally irrelavant of the meeting/interview agenda (which was on NA award). Also, the way GA told this in such a tone got me really irritated. Again it is not fine with me at all.

Having said that, V_S is not kiru and vice versa

@V_S  of course of course :-) Have you noticed that even in our friends/family circle when somebody is very smart we start developing a distance. We stop saying "sweet", "friendly" etc to describe that person. Everybody stops loving that person.. they only respect that person .. May be it is just me..

That is typical.Romba padichavannu altraan kind of kumaichals will start. I myself dont feel comfortable talking to 'romba padicha' people.
It is very normal and we expect them to bend down to our level and indulge in vetti arattais all the time.. For some it is a big pain..

jaiganesh wrote:That is typical.Romba padichavannu altraan kind of kumaichals will start. I myself dont feel comfortable talking to 'romba padicha' people.
It is very normal and we expect them to bend down to our level and indulge in vetti arattais all the time.. For some it is a big pain..

I don't think GA had such kumaichchal for at least 15-20 years AFTER annakkiLi. Never heard of such complaints all those years when he enjoyed a lucrative career primarily because of the phenomenal success & position of his brother.

For e.g., to an onlooker like me (well, youtube viewer) IR didn't seem to have any "angry-protective-mode" problem in that Singapore show (which took place after MTK, possibly in 1986) where both GA & IR are on stage, explaining the "counterpoint" business. Joking / jovial etc.

Also, if IR had been cold to GA, he couldn't have got change to direct his 1st movie, kOzhi koovudhu.

For that matter, he was even given that 'pAttAlE budhdhi sonnAr' visuals for karagam - அப்போவெல்லாம் ராசா "கோபம்-குமிழம்" இருந்த தடயம் இல்லையே?

Simply because GA got kicked out in recent times (for whatever reason), he is badmouthing him.
(I don't want to discredit GA by telling that during karagam, he only had "respect" for his brother and not "love". If that was indeed the case, then it would have been the same way even at the time of annakkiLi / 16 vayadhinilE - not because of IR's "later-day-anger-mode").

இந்த ஆளுடைய உளறல்களால் நேரடியாக பாதிக்கப்படாத நமக்கே சகிக்க முடியாமல் எரிச்சல் வருகிறதே - இளையராசாவுக்கு எந்த அளவுக்கு இவர் எரிச்சல் உண்டாக்கி இருக்க முடியும் என்பது புரிந்து கொள்ளக்கடினம் இல்லை.

ராசாவுக்கு இவர் மேல் கோபம் வராதிருந்தால் அவர் உணர்ச்சிகளற்ற ஜடம் என்று தீர்மானிக்க வேண்டியிருக்கும்.

நல்ல வேளை, அப்படி இல்லை

(Now he has other connections - Sun TV & BJP - so loudly talking about "angry-IR". When he had all those benefits from IR, he never complained. Bad!)

Isaiyil thodangudhamma song patri......... Padmalatha romba azhaga solranga....... pudhu vishayam.....

https://soundcloud.com/padmalathamusic/isaiyil-thodanguthamma

GA's is a classic case of a jealous sibling with lesser talent , biding patiently to strike at the opportune moment. During the earlier period, I mean the first 5 to 6 years in the industry, it must have been vested interest on IR's growth and gaining a strong foothold in the tinsel world. Hence his PRO role. Once Raja established himself as the undisputed monarch of the entire SI film industry just
by his sheer, formidable talent , GA had no other option but to meekly play the second, loyal bro fiddle. When Raja lost his commercial pull, it was time for him to rear his  head and time and again spew venom that marred the personality of Raja, blabbering inanities like "He may be a good musician, but not a nice human being to live with ...".This time he seized the golden moment to vent out his long brewing venom that even struck at the very art/profession that Raja was so passionate about.
GA can at least now rest his over worked tongue in peace. He must be only knowing too
well that Raja has risen well above all these dusty ashes , several times, continuing his musical journey, unperturbed.

Usha wrote:Isaiyil thodangudhamma song patri......... Padmalatha romba azhaga solranga....... pudhu vishayam.....

https://soundcloud.com/padmalathamusic/isaiyil-thodanguthamma

Thanks for sharing this. I am completely a stranger to Hindustani music and this gives a good intro into that world. All I knew was Ajoy is a Hindustani singer and I have heard a lot of Hindustani music without understanding any technicalities.

MSV on IR

Don't bother reading the first part of the article (long / boring / nothing new etc). 

I was asking myself "why am I wasting time on this"

Then came this sweet portion - which should be told ALOUD to the world :

MSV wrote:
தம்பி ராஜா என்னைப் பார்க்கும்போதெல்லாம் நாம் ரெண்டு பேரும் சேர்ந்து ஒரு படம் பண்ணனும். நீங்க மெலடி போட்டுக் கொடுங்கள், நான் அதற்கு ஆர்கெஸ்ட்ராசேஷன் பண்ணுகிறேன் என்று சொல்வார். நேரம் வரும்போது பண்ணலாம் என்பேன். அப்படி ஒரு சந்தர்ப்பமும் வந்தது.

நான் படங்களை எடுத்து நஷ்டமடைந்த நிலையில் ஏ.வி.எம். நிறுவனத்தினர் ''மெல்லத் திறந்தது கதவு'' என்ற படமெடுத்து உதவ முன்வந்தார்கள். இப்படத்தின் மூலமாக நானும் இளையராஜாவும் முதன்முதலாக இசையமைக்க இணைந்தோம். எல்லா பாடல்களுமே ஹிட். கமர்ஷியல் நோக்கத்தை தாண்டி எங்கள் இருவருக்கும் ஓர் ஆத்ம திருப்தி கிடைத்தது. அடுத்தது என் மூத்த மகன் கோபி ''செந்தமிழ்ப்பாட்டு'' என்று படம் எடுக்க ஆசைப்பட்டான். படத்துக்கு ஹீரோ பிரபு. டைரக்ஷன் பி.வாசு. ''இதற்கு மியூசிக் போட்றது யார்?'' என்ற கேள்வி எழுந்த போது ''வாசு, இளையராஜா எல்லாம் ஒரு யூனிட்டா ஒர்க் பண்றாங்க. அதனாலே இளையராஜாகிட்ட இசை அமைக்கணும்னு போய் கேளு'' என்று நான் சொன்னேன்.

அதேபோல கோபி இளையராஜாவிடம் போய் கேட்டான். கோபியைப் பார்த்து ராஜா கேட்ட முதல் கேள்வி ''நீங்க உங்க அப்பாவோட தானே இருக்கீங்க?'' என்று. உடனே கோபி ''டைரக்டர் வாசுவும் நீங்களும் ஒரே யூனிட்டா வேலை செய்றீங்க. அதனாலேயே அப்பா தான் உங்ககிட்ட போய் கேட்க சொன்னார்'' என்று சொல்ல, அதற்கு இளையராஜா ''எனக்கு யாருமே யூனிட்டின்னு இல்லை. உங்க அப்பாதான் எனக்கு யூனிட். உங்கப்பாவும் நானும் சேர்ந்து வேலை செய்றோம். உங்கப்பா பேரை மேலே போடு. என் பெயரை கீழே போடு'' என்று பெருந்தன்மையோடு கூறி அனுப்பிவிட்டார். அந்த வகையில் ''செந்தமிழ்ப் பாட்டு'' பட பாடல்கள் சக்சஸ் தான்!

Amazing, the unaffected respect that IR had for MSV consistently for a long time.

Regarding Gangai Amaran, I watched his interview and I didnt get as upset as soem of the others here. It was typical GA. He praises unabashedly sometimes and some oher times he goes on an offensive mode. You have to take the good with the bad as far as he goes. He is like that. He also has  abig mouth.

Recently when the press was going hammer and tongs on IR for his scolding of that reporter who asked him the question about the beep song, it was GA who came and defended IR very strongly in the same site. We'll have to remember that also.

I think what GA meant was apart from a few songs here and there like kaatril arum geethame, NEPV etc. there are not amny hits/memorable songs from IR in last few years. Well, as an opinion, that is debatable at best. A lot among us feel that way, that IR's good or great numbers have been sporadic at best this last decade.
If he had envy or arrogance or whatever why would he have bothered to point out to the jury the use of manual instruments in the BGM? With GA you always need to use  afilter. But he is not all bad. And he does have some valid points on music from time to time. But better than the likes of Charu Nivedita, Gnani and others.Atleast he knows his music. And plus he has watched music happen in IR's studios for many years.