Re: Neethane Enthan Pon Vasantham.

**V_S** Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:05 pm

Thanks a lot App sir for your lavish praise and heart-felt compliments.

Very happy that you liked it.

Somehow this metaphor struck me, when I was viewing the film. I didn't concentrate much on the situation and lyrics when listening to the song. When I was watching, more analogies expanded in front of me. When I listened again after watching the film, the whole composition looked much different and automatically I went for the exploring mode. I think I also need to do the same for already written songs from this film. Gautham Menon has done a fantastic job with visuals in this song. I was surprised to see Ramya's vocals exactly at the time when Varun sees Nithya. Same way I was surprised to see the lyrics 'unnil tholaigirEn' exactly when Nithya sees Varun. Very precisely taken by Gautham. Same way the pause is highligted by the bus stop. Excellently thought about song in terms of visuals too.

rajkumarc Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:20 am

VS - Yet to read your post on Kaatrai Konjam, but already realized that I have allocate some dedicated to relish this without any interruptions. Thanks to your passion & efforts in writing about this song.

**groucho070** Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:55 am

I'll be back here after watching the movie (waiting for it in our paid station).

**V_S** Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:59 am

rajkumarc and grouch, Please take your time. Smile

Thanks for your comments.

skr Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:33 am

Thanks a lot V_S ,
Its great to know that this song has impacted you so much resulting in such a piece of tribute from your side on this lovely composition.
Personally , this song has given me so much of happiness and pleasure which is unimaginable..You always tend to smile automatically listening to this number..There is so much of musicality packed in this 5 1/2 minites which makes it heavenly and so enjoyable for the listener.
This is truly a composition of a lifetime.

**V_S** Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:08 pm

Thanks a lot skr. Smile

. Well said, it is a composition of a lifetime!. Yes, no one can pack so much of music in 5/12 minutes, yet so easy on ears and make you feel heavenly!.

app_engine Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:37 pm

Looks like Gelusil was the top-selling drug in TN during 2012 thanks to NEPV Wink

Latest fun provided by P_R there, with my "between-the-lines" thingy:

One fine morning it suddenly dawned upon P_R that a dhOni song that he missed earlier is indeed sweet.

Wondering how he missed this all along, he posts his appreciation as :

P_R wrote:

Chinna Kanniley - Dhoni

THIS is vintage Raja.
இதச்சொன்னா அதுல ஒரு நியாயம் இருக்கு.
சும்மா வாய்வார்த்தையா NEPVஐ சொன்னா ச்சிப்பு தான் வரும்.

Always listened only viLayAttA padagOtti (I yam strittly Shreya version) and thaavi thaavi (though I appreciate this song better only recently)
vaangum paNathukkum yodel is slicha funny.

But chinna kaNNilE - my dear, why did I not listen to you much thus far. Lovely

It's pretty obvious from his "ச்சிப்பு" that he's ridiculing people who call NEPV as 80's music. That is, obvious to IRFs. OTOH, to others, it sounded sweet and there comes an immediate reply :

Yes. Dhoni album is much better than NEPV.

I guess people are so much with fits of jealousy over NEPV - that even black appears red Smile

Well, such myopia got corrected immediately by P_R :

P_R wrote:

rejjeetted.

NEPV is siRpi mAdhiri sedhukkuvArE range.
A towering peak.

Dhoni gavanikkAmE vittuttEn. ini thavara mAttEn.

Well, one word by people like P_R on IR is equivalent to 100 words by a_e's of the world!

vAzhga vaLarka! Smile

**V_S** Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:44 pm

Thanks App for sharing. Very Happy

Dhoni, Mayilu, Puthiya TheerangaL, Prasad all stand tall. Last year was fantastic!

kiru Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:00 pm

app_engine wrote:
P_R wrote:

rejjeetted.

NEPV is siRpi mAdhiri sedhukkuvArE range.
A towering peak.

Dhoni gavanikkAmE vittuttEn. ini thavara mAttEn.

Well, one word by people like P_R on IR is equivalent to 100 words by a_e's of the world!

vAzhga vaLarka!

Ofcourse, NEPV is more detailed notes writing and intricate. I love Dhoni too.
I listened to another MD's latest hit last night. IR - makes melodious songs. Others make a bunch of melodious lines :-)

jaiganesh Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:19 pm

kiru wrote:
app_engine wrote:
P_R wrote:

rejjeetted.

NEPV is siRpi mAdhiri sedhukkuvArE range.
A towering peak.

Dhoni gavanikkAmE vittuttEn. ini thavara mAttEn.

Well, one word by people like P_R on IR is equivalent to 100 words by a_e's of the world!

vAzhga vaLarka!

Ofcourse, NEPV is more detailed notes writing and intricate. I love Dhoni too.
I listened to another MD's latest hit last night. IR - makes melodious songs. Others make a bunch of melodious lines :-)

already soi soi " sollittaaLe all wearing out.
Kadal ? let me say beachoram thanni poattu paattonnu paadalaama? paattonnu venuminnaa Elayaraajava kaekkalaama?
sammandhamaa poadradhe thappunna appo kadal paattellaam dhaan sari. weakest of Rahman albums - I thought Raavan was worst - this one easily beats it in standing upside down. Time for Rahman to set his mobile to "vaadikkayaaLar thodarbu ellaikku appaal" for Ranimatnam.

SenthilVinu Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:54 am

kiru wrote:
I listened to another MD's latest hit last night. IR - makes melodious songs. Others make a bunch of melodious lines :-)

Fantastic quote. I have tried to distill this various ways never got to it. Now, I'm gonna freely borrow it from you, if you don't mind Smile

V_S,

OMG! What have you done! Just amazing analysis. This is a mind-slap. Woke me up in a way. I love Dali. So it is nice to see the connection from there to here. Respect.

I feel inspired to do Kaatrai Konjam video now Smile

**V_S** Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:24 am

Thanks a lot Senthil for your valuable comments. Very Happy

This is one of the most toughest composition, I would think. It is impossible to do such, even in dreams. Waiting for your video analysis. Smile

**V_S** Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:29 am

Senthil,
I have borrowed many quotes from kiru already. He is a gold mine. Smile

kiru Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:17 pm

V_S ..even I am not original, other people's influences are always there. I have to quote our man .. padalgaL kOdi, edhuvum pudhithillai, raagangal kOdi kOdi adhuvum pudhithillai :-)

@jaiganes - of course, kadal, triggered those thoughts. Nice song, nenjukkullE. Good video/audio on youtube. Great to see Rahman also incorporate an orchestra. There was also another song in that movie which seemed very IRish. (Production values for Rahman's stage shows seem to be very high !!!)

balachidambaram Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:11 pm

kiru wrote:
@jaiganes - of course, kadal, triggered those thoughts. Nice song, nenjukkullE. Good video/audio on youtube. Great to see Rahman also incorporate an orchestra. There was also another song in that movie which seemed very IRish. (Production values for Rahman's stage shows seem to be very high !!!)

Kadal makes me wonder.. Nenjukulley is a gud song mind you. But except for few melody lines there is nothing in the song for me. charanam interludes have nothing. But the whole praise behind it is something really funny.

For instance there is this song En usuru from sengathu boomiyile - a similar female solo more folksy..and clean composition as usual. It is considered run of the mill song whereas nenjukulle becomes the great melodious folk song . Infact every second album from raaja has amazingly soothing melodies. Really think if another ooru sanam thoongiruchu comes out from raaja now the crowd will just pass it on.

(And I dont want to start on things like Adiye of course..which comes under world music genre. )
samaythula oru bayam varuthu - namma than mental agittomnu- pathungi than vazha vendi irukku Shocked

sagi Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:31 pm

^rajafan (do we know you?), I swear I made the en usuru reference in this forum somewhere, but 'cudntableto' find my post now Surprised

kiru Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:18 pm

rajafan wrote:
kiru wrote:
@jaiganes - of course, kadal, triggered those thoughts. Nice song, nenjukkullE. Good video/audio on youtube. Great to see Rahman also incorporate an orchestra. There was also another song in that movie which seemed very IRish. (Production values for Rahman's stage shows seem to be very high !!!)

Kadal makes me wonder.. Nenjukulley is a gud song mind you. But except for few melody lines there is nothing in the song for me. charanam interludes have nothing. But the whole praise behind it is something really funny.

For instance there is this song En usuru from sengathu boomiyile - a similar female solo more folksy..and clean composition as usual. It is considered run of the mill song whereas nenjukulle becomes the great melodious folk song . Infact every second album from raaja has amazingly soothing melodies. Really think if another ooru sanam thoongiruchu comes out from raaja now the crowd will just pass it on.

(And I dont want to start on things like Adiye of course..which comes under world music genre. )
samaythula oru bayam varuthu - namma than mental agittomnu- pathungi than vazha vendi irukku

damn.. en usiru is excellent. Rahman's USP is the stylish feel he brings to the mix. Look at him and also every body in his band looks stylish :-)
IR is about authenticity and rawness .. more for serious listeners IMO.

jaiganesh Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:55 pm

V_S wrote:

After a brief pause Maestro starts the pallavi-anupallavi, as he is moving from one movement to another. The way the lyrics is written and the tune is constructed makes me think it falls into Surrealism. Surrealism is a very powerful art movement immediately following Dadaism. The artists of Dadaism who opposed aesthetics, started their work along Surrealism. This movement mainly focussed on revolutionary and imaginative ideas beyond traditional art forms which invokes lot of surprises. Surrealism also involves lot of dreamy, fantastic but incongruous imagery, which normally does not occur in reality. The picture above is one reference. Salvador Dali is one of the pioneer in Surrealism. I could closely relate his works with Maestro, especially in this pallavi. The lyrics too helps us to visualize easily. First let us see the lyrics of the pallavi.

kaatrai konjam nirkka sonnEn poo parithu kOrkka sonnEn Odi vanthu unnai sandhikka (2)
meththai ondru thaikka sonnEn mEgham aLLi vaikka sonnEn kannai moodi unnai sindhikka
sutrum bhoomi nirkka sonnEn unnai thEdi paarka sonnEn ennai patri kEtka sonnEn en kaadhal nalamaa endru

Before even coming to the tune and orchestration, Na Muthukumar was the main reason for me to identify the Surrealism in the pallavi. Asking air to stop flowing? Asking the earth to stop revolving? Can it search for his lover? Can a bed contain clouds? Can anyone see anyone with their eyes shut? What a beautiful, but abnormal thinking by Na. Muthukumar!. Nothing is real, nothing can be achieved, still all these unrealistic/fantasy feeling going on in hero's mind, as love makes him think like that. Before even the lyrics was born, the tune was born. So we need to address the surrealism in the tune itself. Tune is not that complex (at-least in pallavi), but listen to the drums accompanying the pallavi tune. It looks like chopping at regular intervals (four beats a gap and four beats), but when the pallavi line is finished, it assumes flowing rhythm pattern, then when pallavi is repeated it again follows that chopping rhythm pattern. From this we can see that Maestro intentionally composed this sort of chopping tune to denote the ever changing thoughts of the lover (as he is excited to see her again), just like we see the surrealism picture above as our eyes waver to grasp everything in it. The lyrics then follow the tune with some unimaginable dreamy thoughts one crossing over another another on separate planes. When he finishes pallavi (for the first time) Maestro didn't add filler to it, but when he repeats the pallavi, he adds sax, but the melody of sax is tangential to the pallavi on a different plane, yet it gives a beautiful extension to the tune.

When he sings anu-pallavi lines, hear the sax and compare the sax of the pallavi. While the melody of sax is little linear during pallavi, in anu-pallavi it is almost circular, the way it is played. It clearly and closely follows the lyrics, 'sutrum bhoomi nirkka sonnEn…' that's the reason we hear like that. Is it really possible to play like that, but I certainly hear that sax being played in closed loop fashion denoting the earth revolution. As the tune builds up to 'ennai patri kEtka sonnEn en kaadhal nalamaa endru', we can hear a chord progression, violins lifting off like a bullet. I can visualize this piece of violins take of as the earth stopping its revolution, straightening itself and sprinting forward (without revolving on it own) to look for the man's lover. This is how musically Maestro communicates a lover's dreamy thoughts on various geometric planes, and Na.Muthukumar grasping Maestro's ideas into words giving a complete visual experience in music (all sides at once), like we are seeing in that picture. The tune, orchestration and lyrics match eye for an eye. Surrealism at its best in music.

When Karthik sings the first line pallavi for the third time (after anu-pallavi), we can still hear the plight of violins, as the earth is still in motion. Just when he completes the first line, violins gives way to piano, but piano ascends. The piano is a pre-cursor on how the interlude is going to start. When he sings the second line of pallavi, slowly the chords descend (again this is normal chord progression of E Major scale, please correct me if I am wrong) as his line of dreamy thoughts is slowly subsiding but piano takes off as he is conceiving other thoughts. This is Maestro's pet territory that when the tune is going up, the chords descend, giving the counter-melody. We are in for the next art movement.

This part is simply awesome and it is sure worth your dense, beautiful write up..
One thing that struck me was that Varun has till that point of time flown along with the world in the name of being 'responsible'. Now he feels assured to rewind his "time" to a point where he can let his heart rule again. So the journey back is in essence a swim against the "elements of nature and time". For such a journey to begin - you need mighty strokes to swim against the time and that is what the fervent, fast male choir ending with a pause where his mind and heart are now making quite a leap against the elements (kind of like a lift-off a flight makes) - How beautifully has Muththu captured this "rewind" in Varun's mind - All thanks to Gautham's narration greatly. Absolutely agree with the thoughts on cubism and surrealism. The sax portions in the "inter charanam ludes" sound so much as a nod from the "elements" as he swims upstream against time and tide to an uncertain destination - but he is filled with "hope" - this is the case when the whole trend of events right from his childhood present clear clues against holding such a hope - but a romantic heart is foolish and tries to see everything backward (opposite to the truth - kind of a delusion) So every charanam line spoken gets a nod from nature which is personified as a wind instrument, saxophone/pipe. Wonderful construction and poetic imagery meeting fantastic words fulfilling the dreamy mindscape... Hats off to everyone and to you as well..

rajkumarc Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:34 am

Finally I was able to read V_S's fabulous, no-words-enough-to-praise write up on Kaatrai Konjam (sorry V_S for the late feedback). I had to re-read it multiple times and listen to Kaatrai Konjam along with it to understand V_S's amazing deconstruction of the song and its analogy with the various art movements. Hats off to you V_S cheers

for the way you are able to analyze/ enjoy IR's compositions and writing about it with the same passion. Now I can go and read all of your posts about Sriramarajyam Smile

.

I consider myself truly blessed that I was able to savor a towering album like NEPV and to share the joy/thoughts/views/passion with among all of you like minded fans.

Raaga_Suresh Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:30 pm

"samaythula oru bayam varuthu - namma than mental agittomnu- pathungi than vazha vendi irukku Shocked

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LOL. I can understand your pheelings.

'en usuru': I have been plugging this song since the time the cd was released. As rightly pointed out, even if a terrific melody is given by Raja, people just don't seem to care. Very sad. Recent such casualty was 'nanu neetho' from 'Gundello Godari'. What an outstanding melody.

**V_S** Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:01 pm

jaiganesh wrote:
This part is simply awesome and it is sure worth your dense, beautiful write up..
One thing that struck me was that Varun has till that point of time flown along with the world in the name of being 'responsible'. Now he feels assured to rewind his "time" to a point where he can let his heart rule again. So the journey back is in essence a swim against the "elements of nature and time". For such a journey to begin - you need mighty strokes to swim against the time and that is what the fervent, fast male choir ending with a pause where his mind and heart are now making quite a leap against the elements (kind of like a lift-off a flight makes) - How beautifully has Muththu captured this "rewind" in Varun's mind - All thanks to Gautham's narration greatly. Absolutely agree with the thoughts on cubism and surrealism. The sax portions in the "inter charanam ludes" sound so much as a nod from the "elements" as he swims upstream against time and tide to an uncertain destination - but he is filled with "hope" - this is the case when the whole trend of events right from his childhood present clear clues against holding such a hope - but a romantic heart is foolish and tries to see everything backward (opposite to the truth - kind of a delusion) So every charanam line spoken gets a nod from nature which is personified as a wind instrument, saxophone/pipe. Wonderful construction and poetic imagery meeting fantastic words fulfilling the dreamy mindscape... Hats off to everyone and to you as well..

Wow! Jai simply superb thoughts. You words on swimming upstream. cheers

Absolutely true.
"but a romantic heart is foolish and tries to see everything backward (opposite to the truth - kind of a delusion)" ---Wow nicely said. Yes, and you nicely validated the choice of instruments used there. As you observed, Gautham did a fantastic job of narrating this song.

Thanks a lot Jai for your wonderful comments and compliments. Very Happy

Compositions that defy time and nature.

**V_S** Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:18 pm

rajkumarc,
Thanks a lot for your overwhelming feedback and comments. Very Happy

Really appreciate it. Thanks for reading it (that too multiple times). Definitely it encourages me to write more and more. I am still cracking down EnnOdu Vaa Vaa, again a very difficult task. Let me see what I can come up with. Smile

app_engine Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:43 pm

For V_Sji's sake, posting a youtube courtesy P_R at the hub (who claims courtesy AravindMano Smile

)

Also, P_R is vAnaLAva praising Sunithy Chauhan Smile

in IR Forum wrote:Sunidhi Chauhan - absolutely brilliant.
She has elevated an excellent song to something simply out of the world.

in Last song thread wrote:Sunidhi Sougan innum pala..

what a rendition

**V_S** Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:09 pm

Thanks again App for sharing. Very Happy

Happy to see P_R got delighted. Definitely she deserves many accolades for her outstanding singing. The video was too good.

**groucho070** Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:31 am

Read the posts V_S. As usual great write-up, but some of it might be lost on me as I am clueless about the art-movements (even after your explanation) and musical notes. But I can feel the simmering passion. Wonderful!

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