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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  V_S on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:01 pm

Not just now, he has been doing this right from JTYJN, Blue, JHS days. We can be so familiar with the tunes (and templates) we heard in 80s and 90s that if we substitute English lyrics to those Hindi lyrics, you can't distinguish who composed it.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  crimson king on Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:30 pm

Nerd wrote:Like I posted elsewhere been listening to I. The Aila Aila song particularly plays at home at least thrice a day thanks to the daughter. While the album does perfect justice to Rahman's present form ( Laughing ) need to bring up something here with my limited knowledge on world meesic. I may be making sweeping statements, feel free to correct me.

Rahman, the recent Rahman particularly when he takes a world genre, tries to stick to the idioms of it as closely as possible, which makes his compositions very, very unimaginative.

Aila Aila - He has tried opera and it sounds like every other opera song I have listened to . Same build ups, the final burst etc. Can't help but compare how our man subverts these sort of things. Satru Munbu, anyone?

Ennodu nee - So this falls under the rock ballad category, if I am not wrong. Same boring patterns of some of the western songs. But look at what our man did with Jeevane Jeevane

And this has been going on for a while. His Jazz/blues also strictly follows set patterns. Raaja just freaks out. That makes the latters compositions far more interesting.


Actually, he's too lazy to even compose an actual opera.  Oh wait, that's a very difficult thing and, despite his Mozart of Madras billing, probably beyond his grasp.  Instead he just imitates crossover pop shlock with faux opera vocals.  The best part is, he actually did that way back on Thiruda (Chandralekha) and it was way cooler and at least had a hint of rebellion.  The pallavi of Aila at least holds some interest but it falls flat in the charanam, lacking the dramatic contours of a Chandralekha.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  app_engine on Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:20 pm

 மண்டபத்தில் உட்கார்ந்து புலம்புவதாக நெனப்பு

That VB post is foolish on multiple levels.

For one, all that he needed to do was to simply look at TF history. 
(i.e. One simple question such as "How many movies flopped with ARR music, despite otherwise big names too")

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Drunkenmunk on Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:02 pm

app_engine wrote: மண்டபத்தில் உட்கார்ந்து புலம்புவதாக நெனப்பு

That VB post is foolish on multiple levels.

For one, all that he needed to do was to simply look at TF history. 
(i.e. One simple question such as "How many movies flopped with ARR music, despite otherwise big names too")
It is so much meta. His note on him being foolish is itself foolish means... Razz

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  app_engine on Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:49 pm

DM,
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(ரஹ்மான்) காலம் போன காலத்துல, சும்மா தயாரிப்பாளர் பணத்த வெட்டிச்செலவு செஞ்சுட்டு அதுக்கு என்ன புலம்பல் வேண்டிக்கெடக்கு?

என்றாலும், இந்த மாதிரி நாலு பேர் ஒப்பாரி வைக்கறது நல்லது தான்.

"இந்த ஆளு பேருக்காக கோடிக்கணக்கில் வெட்டிச்செலவு செய்வது தேவையா" என்று கொஞ்சம் பேராவது யோசிக்கட்டுமே Smile

இனி ஒரு பய பீரியட் பிலிம் அப்புடி இப்புடீன்னு புயல் கிட்ட வருவான்? Laughing
(வந்தாலும் அந்த ஆள் அடிச்சுத்துரத்திடுவார்)

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  kameshratnam on Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:29 am

1992

1. Roja ?Block buster (BB)


1993

2.Uzhavan ?(FLOP)
3.Thiruda Thiruda ?(FLOP)
4.Vandicholai Chinraasu ?(FLOP)
5.Pudhiya Mugam ?(Flop)
6.Pudhiya Mannargal ?(Flop)
7.Kizhakku Cheemayile ?(HIT)
8.Gentleman ? Block buster (BB)

1994


9.Pavithra ?(FLOP)
10.May Madham ?(FLOP)
11.Duet ?(FLOP)
12.Kadhalan ?(Super HIT)
13.Karuththamma ?(HIT)


1995

14.Indira ?(FLOP)
15.Bombay ?Block buster (BB)
16.Muthu ?Block buster (BB)

1996

17.Indian ?Block buster (BB)
18.Fire ?(HIT)
19.Kadhal Desam ?(FLOP)
20.Love Birds ?(FLOP)
21.Mr. Romeo ?(FLOP)
22.Anthimanthaarai ?(FLOP)

1997

23.Minsara Kanavu ?(HIT)
24.Iruvar ?(FLOP)
25.Ratchagan ?(FLOP)

1998

26.Jeans ?(Super HIT )
27.Dil Se/ Uyire (Tamil)?(FLOP)


1999

25.En Swasa Kaatre ?(FLOP)
29.Jodi ?(FLOP)
30.Taj Mahal ?(FLOP)
31.Sangamam ?(FLOP)
32.Kadhalar Dhinam ?(Average)
33.Padayappa ?Block buster (BB)
35.Mudhalvan ?Block buster (BB)

2000

36.Rhythm ?(FLOP)
37.Thenali ?(SUPER HIT)
38.Alaipayuthey ?Block buster (BB)
39.Kandukondain Kandukondain ?(Average)

2001

40.Star ?(FLOP)
41.Paarthale Paravasam ?(FLOP)
42.Alli Arjuna ?(FLOP)

2002

43.Kannathil Muthamittal?(HIT)
44.Baba ?(FLOP)
45.Kadhal Virus ?(FLOP)

2003

46.Udhaya ?(FLOP)
47.Parasuram ?(FLOP)
48.Boys ?(FLOP)
49.Enakku 20 Unakku 18 ?(FLOP)
50.Kangalal Kaidhu Sei ?(FLOP)


2004


51.Aayutha Ezhuthu ?Yuva?(FLOP)
52.New ?(HIT)


2005

53.Anbe Aaruyire ?(Average)


2006

54.Varalaru ?Block buster (BB)
55.Sillunu Oru Kaadhal ?(FLOP)
56.Guru ?(FLOP)

2007

57.Sivaji ?Block buster (BB)
58.AzhagiyaThamilMagan ?(FLOP)

2008

59.Sakkarakatti ?(FLOP)


2009

?

2010

60.Raavanan ?/Raavan ?(FLOP)
61.Vinnaithaandi Varuvaayaa ?(SUPER HIT)
62.Enthiran ?Block buster (BB)


2011


2012

63.Kadal ?(FLOP)

2013

64.Maryan ?(FLOP)


2014

65.Kochadaiiyaan ?(FLOP)
66.Kaaviya Thalaivan ?(FLOP)
67.Lingaa ?(Average)
68.I ? ???

OUT OF 68 FILMS - 11 FILMS ARE ONLY Block buster (BB)
IN THIS 5 SHANKAR, 3 MANI RATNAM 2 RAJINI + 1 AJITH ( ks RAVIKUMAR FILM) OTHERS ?

OUT OF 68 FILMS - 40 FILMS ARE FOLP IN THE BOX OFFICE ( MAY BE NOT MUSIC* )
INCULDING 2 RAJINIKANTH FILM, AND 4 MANI RATHAM, AND MANY VETRAN DIRECTORS AND STARS film'S FLOP

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Wizzy on Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:54 am

^nice work  the clap  revealing stats, knew it was bad but this is worse than his contemporaries like HJ/U1.
other than 'Gentleman' there isn't a single BB(even a hit/avg) in AR's resume with a newbie director/not so bankable star.
though credit to him for ending the reign of some veteran directors/actors and producers pimping their kids 
as directors thereby saving TFI from their clutches  Very Happy

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  app_engine on Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:39 pm

nanRi Kameshratnam sir, for the compilation Smile

BTW, Vasanthabalan has removed that pulambal page from FB Laughing

Going by the past record of the "vigilance" of ARR-team on social networks, this could very well be at the prompting by them. Especially because ARR was among those specifically named in that document.  (i.e. VB clearly told, naming the MD, that "ARR மீசிக் போட்டா படம் ஒடீரும்ங்கறது மூட நம்பிக்கை"! A very damaging statement by the director of a recent movie with this very MD. Thus very high possibility that the MD's team pushed VB to get such writings erased).

With that assumption, let us evaluate ARR's long-term credentials of humility-personified Wink

Being humble is admitting, like, "நான் மீசிக் போட்டாலும் படம் தோல்வி அடையும், அடைஞ்சிருக்கு"...but the opposite is arm-twisting someone who claimed such - making him to expunge the remarks Wink

Meanwhile G Raghavan sir had made remarks on twitter that this criteria of "MD name doesn't automatically guarantee hit" also applies to legends such as MSV IR in their peak periods. 

While that is true in a general sense (and VB should have been more familiar than anyone of us - being in the field), there are some differences between the case of ARR & the prior market leading MDs.

1. Except in the case of some movies of IR, there had never been wide publicity on posters and this and that the MD is the main USP of the movie - combined with unprecedented marketing and cost on that front. (ஆலிவுட் படம் தியாகம் செய்து, பயங்கர ரிசர்ச் பண்ணி, பீரியடுக்குள்ள இறங்கி, சூப்பர் சிங்கர்ல தரிசனம் கொடுத்து etc) That way, the MD has more than the regular share to take, in success or failure.

2. It is not a secret as to how much extra money gets charged for the ARR brand - besides making director / producers wait for unusual amount of time - sometimes even making them bleed with interest payments of loans. While the likes of KSR once upon a time used to call the output as 'pulippAl and thus the wait / struggle justified', nowadays the output is mostly elippAl and still the wait / struggle to get / cost appears phenomenal, compared to the likes of MSV-IR. So, there cannot be blanket comparisons. 

3. While they cannot be the singular cause, great songs / music can INCREASE the revenue for a movie is a factual statement (more during previous decades when TV / youtube kinds weren't available and the only way to "watch" songs was in theater; agreed the impact is much less at present). If that is not the case, every T-D-H can be signed up for MD job, isn't it?  Obviously, the corollary too has sufficient currency - that lack of such could prove negative at BO. With more dependency, significant negative effect - as in the case of Vasanthabalan.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Drunkenmunk on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:00 pm

Hmm. All okay. But the assumption that his coterie would have asked VB to pull it down and the further conclusions on his humility are borderline slander. Better to steer clear of that IMO. But yeah, no denying his hold over Tamil market is sliding (anyway he's a brand and his Hindi output is marginally better) and VB was being massively foolish in his rant about foolishness. Like I said, the levels of meta there are amusing. Beyond that, nothing much to really analyze for me Wink

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  app_engine on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:16 pm

Drunkenmunk wrote: But the assumption that his coterie would have asked VB to pull it down and the further conclusions on his humility are borderline slander. Better to steer clear of that IMO.

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Agreed  - will avoid in the future  Smile

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  kameshratnam on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:31 pm

Computer thambi lost it royally post rangeela according to me and with the arrival of harris jayaraj and yuvan picking up he found himself in a tight position and hence went for more bolly and holly. Even there he was not very successful Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

His music for senmozhi and disaster that happened for CWG where he was asked to create the theme again is a very good examples of his form.

When asked once about the favorite song of a music director he replied that he likes his album a lot.  You like tea or coffee.. I like only Neer More Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  kameshratnam on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:35 pm

Regarding vasantha balans post
First and foremost Sidharth and Prithviraj were complete misfits for the movie. Second was AVAR Very Happy  and third was making haricharan sing rustic type songs which did not suit at all. I dont know who made these mistakes but you cant take the audience for created.

Whether original or not the audience of tamil cinema are seeing newer pictures with pizza, soodu kavvum , satrunga vettai etc.. You can of course make rustic and koothu type movies but you need to have the casting right.. Thank god he did not chose sidharth for angadi theru

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  app_engine on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:38 pm

Link posted by rozavasanth on twitter

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Raaga_Suresh on Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:46 pm

While lot of Raja fans are obsessed with the fact that Raja has not got an Oscar, Rahman and his fans are also equally obsessed with the Oscars and their 'ekkam' for a repeat performance is clearly visible. In one recent interview (I think in BBC) Rahman was asked about him being in the Oscar race with his movies being selected and he was humble and all. The fact was that Rahman's movie were in the long list of 100 or more movies. It was not in the nomination but you would not have known that they were talking about the long list and not about nominations, which were not yet out then.

A couple of days back everyone was linking a mashup which was titled Disney-Rahman Mashup Oscar Tribute. Seeing the title I thought this was probably being played at the Oscar ceremony. Turns out to be a sort of fan made mash up video !!! Somehow they want to keep the Oscar flag flying high.

Talking of Mashups this one was super. Enjoy MGR dancing to 'Danga Mari' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZyZloWLQNY

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  app_engine on Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:28 pm

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இதற்காக, நியூயார்க் நகருக்கு வந்திருந்த ரகுமான், செய்தியாளர்களுக்கு அளித்த பேட்டி: இப்போது, திரைக்கதை, திரைப்பட தயாரிப்பு போன்ற துறைகளில் தீவிரமாக செயல்படத் துவங்கியுள்ளேன். ஒரு திரைப்படத்தில் நடிக்கிறேன். அனைத்து திரைப்படங்களுக்குமே, ஐந்து 'மெலோடி' பாடல்கள், ஒரு குத்துப் பாட்டு என்று தான் இசையமைக்க வேண்டியுள்ளது. ஒரே மாதிரியாக, திரும்ப, திரும்ப இசையமைப்பது போரடித்து விட்டது. இதை தாண்டி, புதிதாகவும், சவாலாகவும் எதையாவது செய்ய வேண்டும் என்ற எண்ணம் ஏற்பட்டது. எனவே தான், திரைக்கதை எழுதுவது, படங்கள் தயாரிப்பது போன்ற துறை களில் கால் பதித்துள்ளேன். 'பாம்பே ட்ரீம்ஸ்' என்ற இசை ஆல்பத்துக்கான பணியில் ஈடுபட்டிருந்த போது, பிரிட்டனைச் சேர்ந்த இசையமைப்பாளர் ஆண்ட்ரூ லாய்ட் வெப்பேர், 'உங்களுக்கு கதை, திரைக்கதை குறித்து ஆர்வம் உள்ளதா' என, கேட்டார். ஒரு நாள், 'நம்மால் ஏன் முடியாது' என்ற எண்ணம் ஏற்பட்டது. அதற்கான தேடல் தான், தற்போது என்னை திரைக்கதை எழுத வைத்துள்ளது. இவ்வாறு, அவர் கூறினார். அதனால், ரகுமான் இனி, இசையமைப்பதை கைவிட்டு, திரைக்கதை எழுதுவதிலும், படங்கள் தயாரிப்பதிலும் பிசியாகி விடுவார் என நம்பப்படுகிறது.

Interestingly, for music listeners too, his recent output is boring Wink

So, if this gossip becomes reality, it's quite a win-win situation Smile

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  counterpoint on Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:59 pm

A lot of this is just BS. Radharavi is just a rabble rouser. The likes of him or Seeman should'nt be allowed anywhere near a mic. As far as Rahman's form is concerned it has sure been uneven of late but still Kadal was a pretty good soundtrack by his standards and Raanjhana was't bad at all either. I didn't care much for Lingaa or Kochadiyaan.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Drunkenmunk on Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:40 am

Latestu single. Mani Ratnaji's film:



Not the types I'd go back to 2 months from now, leave alone classic types. But crowd pleasing trippy stuffs with one taka taka hook pretty much being the selling point of the trippiness. Sure hit.

But lyrics. Paah. Ranakkodooram. ARR and Mani serndhu ezhudhinadhu pOla.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Usha on Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:03 pm

http://www.gulte.com/movienews/37554/When-AR-Rahman-Got-Angry-

AR Rahman was invited as a chief guest for the event and while entering into the auditorium, a journalist asked, "How do you feel when people say that you are the next Ilayaraja?". 

Rahman was surprised and he immediately said, "Never say that again. Nobody can replace Raja (Ilayaraja) sir. Please don't ask such stupid questions just to get something from me". -


Really Nice one from ARR.........

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  crimson king on Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:55 am

Well, Parandhu Sella Vaa is honestly a lot better than many of his recent efforts.  At least some attempt at a fresh approach instead of just imitating latest pop music trends.  Naane Varugiren also evokes memories of the Rhythm days.  Throwback music in a good sense.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Drunkenmunk on Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:07 pm

Is it syncopation at 3:13?



Superbly rendered by both, I should add.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  V_S on Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:35 pm

crimson king wrote:Well, Parandhu Sella Vaa is honestly a lot better than many of his recent efforts.  At least some attempt at a fresh approach instead of just imitating latest pop music trends.  
+1 I agree. Beautiful song. This is the Rahman I know. The way the song gradually builds up and expands its way is exactly how a bird would start to fly and gradually expands its wings and feather to its fullest. Karthik's entry is exactly doing that melt down. Beautifully done! Very Happy

On the other hand, didn't like the naanE VarugiREn. The song duration is 6:11 minutes and almost for 5 minutes the song repeats only pallavi-anupallavi. The charaNams (both) is hardly 1 minute. Song has no interludes  Embarassed  Song of this duration avoiding interludes gives an impression that how music directors are avoiding/fearing orchetsration/interludes which tells that they are going back in time. Dharbari Kaanada is good, but have listened better dharbari kaanadas Smile

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  Usha on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:34 pm

Naane varugiren song .. sung by Airtel super singer Sathya prakash......

Netraiya airtel show il therindhadhu..........


http://www.tamiltwisttv.com/2015/04/super-singer-t20-15-04-2015-vijay-tv-musical-program/

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  crimson king on Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:08 pm

Drunkenmunk wrote:Is it syncopation at 3:13?



Superbly rendered by both, I should add.


Yes, guess it does sound like syncopation.

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Re: Discussions on ARR

Post  crimson king on Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:22 am

Not 'related' but BR is getting a lot of flak for making a reference to the caste of the protagonist in his OKK review.  

https://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/o-kadhal-kanmani-a-lightweight-but-enjoyable-romance/

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Post  vicks on Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:53 am

came across this while seaching for some IR song on youtube.. seems he is up to date about all IR news (London poraaru, Budapest poraaru for orchestra - towards the end of the video.. )  Very Happy :



'projected' intentions for the KMC may be noble, but I feel he is just using the foundation for publicity ('naanum philanthropist', being in the news just before an upcoming movie release).. athu oru pakkam irukkattum, enna venaa pannatum..

but intha 'Raja sir ae inga orchestra illama anga poraaru' is still rejetted (OAK/Shamitabh/Un Samayal Araiyil ellam inga thaan boss pannaaru)..

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