அடடா - இதுவல்லவா சந்தேகம் - ராதாவுக்கா ரேவதிக்கா யாருக்கு ராசா கூடுதல் பாடல்கள் கொடுத்தார்?

கூந்தலின் நறியவும் உளவோ நீ அறியும் பூவே - Most people who watched NT's thiruviLaiyAdal are familiar with this doubt of Muthuraman

A similar doubt has come to our Sureshji on twitter :

https://twitter.com/Raaga_Suresh/status/969985185038065664



With Anbu sir's spreadsheet and all the resources available on the net today, how can we not resolve such an important doubttu?

Let me try to get the answer as quickly as possible in this thread

Both these actresses didn't feature in the first 100 albums of IR.

Or, in other words, they were non-existent during 70's (1976 / 1977 / 1978 / 1979 / 1980) - the score stands 0-0.

So, at the end of 1980, it was "love-all".

One needs to look at who got a major % of IR songs during those first 5 years (most probably Sujatha, starting with annakkiLi and doing a ton of movies those days).

It will be another day for accounting of all the songs that IR gave to Sujatha...who knows, she could even overtake Ra & Re

Now, I'll have to set one very basic rule for this exercise (actually, this should have been posted in the beginning - but it's ok to define now as we have not gone too far. Actually, I've pretty much applied these yardsticks when posting the Sridevi songs in her obituary thread).

Rule :
The song's VIDEO should have featured the actress and got released to the public.

It doesn't matter even if the appearance is brief (as in one of the interludes) but on-screen is a requirement for counting.

As an example, "puththam pudhukkAlai" cannot be counted for Radha (even though the song got released in the alaigaL Oyvadhillai disk). Any kind of argument, like, "didn't IR compose the song with her in mind" won't fly   Actually, this song got recorded for Mahendran's marudhANi it seems (which is prior to AO). We cannot get into such undocumented details for this statistical exercise.

So, video with the actress is REQUIRED for counting here.

Today, on MaestrosApp, the app jockey Jayachandran played "alaigaLE vA" song (UR-SPB, kavidhai malar) in a program featuring "Madhavi songs". I got irritated as the movie never got released and one won't know if it indeed had Madhavi. Simply seeing her on vinyl cover won't automatically qualify that to be a Madhavi song IMSO!

OTOH, a song like 'idhu oru nilAkkAlam' (or kanavugaLE kanavugaLE of Anandha rAgam) can be counted as a Radha song, as she is seen on-screen, though she may not be doing any lip-sync.

So, with that rule being established, let us get on with the counting, from the albums released in 1981. (One movie came out in 1981 and others in 1982).

1981

Out of all the albums IR had released in TFM, Radha had 3 movies and Revathy had none.

Songs which could be traced to have Radha on-screen :

alaigaL Oyvadhillai (album and movie released in 1981) :

1. vAdi en kappakkizhangE
2. sa-ri-ga-ma-pA and such learning songs (on disk as well as movie)
3. thOthiram pAdiyE 
4. dharisanam kidaikkAdhA (female)
5. dharisanam kidaikkAdhA (male)
6. vizhiyil vizhundhu idhayam nuzhaindhu
7. Ayiram thAmarai mottukkaLE
8. kAdhal Oviyam pAdum kAviyam

tik-tik-tik (album in 1981, movie released in 1982)

9. idhu oru nilAkkAlam

Anandha rAgam (album in 1981, movie released in 1982)

10. mEgam karukkudhu
11. oru rAgam pAdalOdu (happy)
12. oru rAgam pAdalOdu (pathos)
13. kanavugaLE kanavugaLE

So as of now the score is Radha - 13  v/s Revathy - 0

App

Personally I am not in favor of any actor being associated with a song. In film music, somehow we see collection of songs being called MGR songs, Rajesh kanna songs just because these actors lipsynced those songs.

I do not mind a TMS collection or SPB or Kishore or Lata. They all played an active part in the song. In reality it should be MSV or SDB or MM songs.

If we are mature enough as an audience we should have Sada songs or Napoleon songs or Kebu songs.

This is going backwards. My 2 cents...

ravinat sir

கோவிச்சுக்காதீங்க

The idea of Sureshji's thread on twitter was basically like "Look how many female new faces that IR helped become popular among people!"

That way, while the songs of other time periods / MDs etc could possibly be stolen away from the composers and wrongly credited with stars who showed their faces, such a thing cannot happen with IR. 

Already those are strongly documented as belonging to IR and IR only  Such history cannot be easily erased - actually, as time moves on, the stars have progressively diminished from people's memory in association with songs and even a commoner in TN associates them with IR only. 

This kind of short-term-threads are basically just a fun exercise & also to identify how "other departments of cine field got benefited by music"

No Offence App.

The only value I give to any actor is that some of them have the ability to popularize a composition by their screen presence.

When I did the research for obscure movies where Raja did some great harmonies, most of them turned out to be starred by B or C grade actors and bad directors who destroyed the effort of Raja. There are also a few average compositions of Raja that got popular due to the star presence.

Music will benefit somebody or the other, wen it is part of any team effort - cinema is always team effort.

To take an extreme example, some tailor or cobbler would have got benefitted as they did the outfit for Mozart or Haydn or Beethoven. They made them look nice but the focus is on their creation, which has nothing to do with these personalities.

Fun continues...

1982

Radha had 6 Thamizh movies that had albums of IR released in this year & Revathy opened her account with maN vAsanai the next year but the album got released in this year.

List of songs that had these ladies on-screen:

engEyO kEtta kural (Radha - Ambika shared two songs each)

14. AthOram kAthAda oru Asa thONudhu
15. thAyum nAnE thanga iLamAnE

gOpurangaL sAyvadhillai (Radha - Suhasini but more songs for Radha)

16. pudichchAlum pudichchEn
17. poo vAdaikkAtru
18 Em purushan thAn enakku mattunthAn

kAdhal Oviyam (ton of songs for Radha)

19. nadhiyil Adum poovanam
20. kuyilE kuyilE
21. nAdham en jeevanE
22. poovil vaNdu koodum
23. ammA azhagE
24. veLLi salangaigaL
25. sangeetha jAthimullai

kaNNE rAdhA (movie named after Radha )

26. mAlai soodakkaNNE rAdhA
27. kottungadi ketti mELam
28. vAlaipparuvaththilE

pAyum puli (Radha and Silk shared two each)

29. Appakkadai annakkiLi
30. poththukkittu ooththudhadi vAnam

vAlibamE vA vA (after kAdhal Oviyam failed at BO, BR rushed to make this with Karthik-Radha and failed again)

31. azhagE unnaikkonjam kaNgaL ezhudha vA
32. ennadi ennadi kaNNAmbA
33. ponvAnappoongAvil
34. kaNNE balam thannAl vandhadhu
35. tucker tucker tucker tucker baby

maN vAsanai (Album in 1982 and movie in 1983, Revathy debut)

1. poththi vachcha malliga mottu (happy)
2. poththi vachcha malliga mottu (pathos)
3. Ananda thEn sindhum
4. arisi kuththum akkA magaLE
5. pAttukku pAtteduppEn
6. kuyilE kuyilE koovAdhE

So, as of 1982 music albums, the count stands at Radha 35 v/s Revathy 6

Quite an interesting coincidence

Since I've watched maN vAsanai only in college days and never after, browsed thru the youtube to make sure whether the song "kuyilE kuyilE koovAdhE" got picturized & ended up watching some portions of the movie yesterday.

And this morning I get to read this article by Magudeswaran :
https://tamil.filmibeat.com/specials/bharathiraja-s-manvasanai-052373.html

ஒரு திரைக்கதை எவ்வளவு கதையடர்த்தியோடு இருக்க வேண்டும் என்பதற்கு மண்வாசனை மிகச்சிறந்த எடுத்துக்காட்டு. ஒவ்வொரு காட்சியிலும் ஒவ்வொரு சுடுவையும் எப்படி அமைத்தால் படத்தின் கதை பார்வையாளர்களைத் தாக்கும் என்பதற்கு மண்வாசனையில் நூறு பாடங்கள் இருக்கின்றன. பின்னணி இசையால் எப்படி உயிரைக் கொதிக்கவும் குளிரவும் வைக்கலாம் என்று இளையராஜா உணர்த்துவார். ஒரு வலிமையான பாத்திரத்தைப் படைக்க பழமொழிகளும் சொலவடைகளும் கொண்ட மொழி எப்படிப் பயன்படுமென்று காட்டும் காந்திமதி நடித்த ஒச்சாயிக் கிழவி வேடம்.

1983

Albums released in this year didn't offer much quantity to both the females. Quality was always top notch with IR (sOlaippoovil mAlaiththenRal is an all-time-great song)

Radha had few (movies with multiple girls sharing the songs) and Revathy had none.

muthu engal soththu (Radha and others)

36. neeyenna meesai vachcha poNNA
37. yAr yAru ennAnnu dhAn solvEndA kaNNA (all female version)
38. yAr yAru ennAnnu dhAn solvEndA kaNNA (duet version)

thoongAdhE thambi thoongAdhE (Radha / Sulakshana)

39. ada rAmA nee namma kitta
40. varudhu varudhu vilagu vilagu

veLLai rOjA

41. sOlaippoovil mAlaiththenRal

So, at the end of 1983 music releases, it's Radha 41 v/s Revathy 6

1984

The year had a ton of albums released by IR and both the ladies had many super hit songs.

For a change, Revathy seems to have appeared for more songs on screen during this year.
(Earlier posted that I cannot confirm 100% as the videos of all songs of 'kai rAsikkAran' featuring Prabhu-Radha are not available / accessible to me at that time - after the mail from Anbu sir, modified the post adding one more song!).

ambigai nEril vandhAL (Radha, Oorvasi, Sangeetha all shared songs)

42. kalyANachchElai unadhAgum nALai
43. annai thAlAttuppAda

dhAvaNikkanavugaL (Radha danced for one song - main heroine Radhika)

44. oru nAyagan udhayamAgiRAn

kairAsikkAran (all videos not available, Radha main lead)

45. nilavonRu kaNdEn en jannalil
46. kai veesum thAmarai
53. oomai mEgamE (thanks to Anbu sir, I could view the video that featured Radha)

nAn mahAn alla (Radha in a Rajini movie)

47. mAlai soodum vELai
48. kalyANam vaibOgam enRenRum vAzhga
49. un mEla oru kaNNu thillAlangadiyOy

nalla thambi (Radha with Karthik, her original hero)

50. vidiya vidiya muzhippEn
51. thangam ivaL angam
52. kalyANa poNNirukku

kai kodukkum kai (Revathy with Rajini)

7. kaNNukkuLLE yArO
8. thAzham poovE vAsam veesu

pudhumaippeN (Revathy doing title role)

9. kasthuri mAnE kalyANaththEnE
10. kaNNiyila sikkAdhayyA
11. kAdhal mayakkam
12. O oru thenRal pulAgi

unnai nAn sandhiththEn (Sujatha and Revathy as mom-child)

13. hEy I love you
14. dEvan thanda veeNai (SJ-PJ version)
15. thAlAttu mARippOnadhE (female pathos version)
16. unnai kANum nEram engum

vaidhEki kAthirundhAL (one of Revathy's most famous movies)

17. mEgam karukkayilE
18. inRaikku Enindha AnandhamE
19. azhagu malarAda


So, the count at the end of 1984 albums is Radha 53 v/s Revathy 19 (resolved the unknowns from kairAsikkAran thanks to e-mail by Anbu sir! )

1985

As always, 1985 is the music release year, movies could have come in the same year or next...

This is an interesting year for both these actresses as they had a chance to act "together" - means in the same movie, though not in same scenes - by the director who introduced both, BR. What's more, both acted as jOdi to Kamal (one to father and another to son, however).

oru kaidhiyin diary (Radha / Revathy each had a song)

54. ABC nee vAsi (Ra)
20. pon mAnE kObam EnO (Re)

mudhal mariyAdhai (perhaps Radha's career best role)

55. poongAtRu thirumbumA
56. vetti vEru vAsam
57. rAsAvE onna nambi
58. E kiLi irukku
59. E kuruvi chittukkuruvi
60. ERAdha mala melE

idhayakkOyil (Ambika-Radha, both sisters in one movie, directed by Mani Ratnam)

61. idhayam oru kOyil (climax version)
62. oorOramA Aththuppakkam
63. nAn pAdum mouna rAgam
64. vAnuyarndha sOlaiyilE
65. pAttuththalaivan pAdinAl pAttuththAn

Japanil kalyANarAman (No Sridevi here, Kamal had to settle for Radha )

66. appappA thiththikkum undhan muththam
67. chinnappoo chinnappoo
68. rAdhE en rAdhE vArAdhE

AN pAvam (Revathy & Seetha)

21. ennai pAdachchollAdhE (happy)
22. ennai pAdachchollAdhE (pathos)

kanni rAsi (Janagaraj romancing Revathy )

23. suga rAgamE
24. ALa asaththum malliye malliyE
25. vENAm vENam pombaLa mOgam (only in interlude, but as per rule this counts)

kumgumachchimizh (most songs went to Ilavarasai but a couple had Revathy)

26. poongAtRE theeNdAdhE
27. vachchALAm neththippottu

pagal nilavu (Maniratnam's first movie in Thamizh had Revathy)

28. poo mAlaiyE thOL sEra vA
29. nee appOdhu pAththa puLLa
30. vArAyO vAnmathi

Selvi (songs went to many "actresses" including circus dogs )

31. kuyilu kuyilu idhu kAttukkuyily
32. onnE onnu kaNNE kaNNu

udhaya geetham

33. sangeetha mEgam
34. pAdu nilAvE
35. mAnE thEnE kattippudi
36. udhaya geetham pAduvEn (another interlude thingy)

So, looks like Re is catching up with this year's numbers...

End of 1985 albums, Radha - 68 & Revathy - 36, the lead is coming down...

1986

Both actresses had the benefit of being on screen for 4 albums each, released from this year. Revathy had a few extra numbers because of musicals punnagai mannan & maragatha veeNai. OTOH, there had been superb hit classic for Radha too, such as 'kuzhaloodhum kaNNanukku' & 'ooru sanam'. Let me list the songs...

amman kOvil kizhakkAlE (Radha had a biggie album with Vijayakanth / R Sundarrajan)

69. chinna manikkuyilE
70. un pArvaiyil OrAyiram
71. kada veedhi kalakalakkum
72. kAlai nerappoonguyil
73. poovai eduththu oru mAlai thoduththu vachchEnE
74. moonu mudichchAlE muttALA AnEn

kAdhal parisu (Ambika-Radha, both shared screen / songs with Kamal)

75. puRAkkaLE puRAkkaLE
76. yE unnaiththAnE
77. kAnalukkuL meen pidiththEn
78. kAdhal maharANi

manidhanin maRu pakkam (Radha & Jayasree)

79. kaNNanai kANbAyA nilavE
80. sandhOsham inRu sandhOsham
81. kallukkuLLE vandha eeram enna

mellath thiRandhadhu kadhavu (Radha and Amala)

82. kuzhaloodhum kaNNanukku
83. sakkara kattikku
84. ooru sanam thoongiruchchu

december pookkaL (Revathy & Nalini)

37. azhagAga siriththadhu indha nilavu
38. mAlaigaL idam mARudhu mARudhu
39. indha veNNilA inRu vandhadhu

maragatha veeNai (Revathy music teacher, has a song by IR's guru Dakshinamoorthy)

40. kaNNA vA kavidhai solvEn vA
41. maragatha veeNai isaikkum rAgam
42. ennai nee pAdAdhE thalaivA
43. oru poovanakkuyil
44. isaiyin deivam azhaiththadhE
45. sudhdha mAdhurya

mounarAgam (Perhaps Revathy's most successful movie / career best)

46. manRam vandha thenRalukku
47. nilAvE vA
48. pani vizhum iravu
49. chinnachchinna vaNNakkuyil
50. OhO mEgam vandhadhO

punnagai mannan (enna saththam indha nEram went to Rekha, Revathy got others)

51. kavidhai kELungaL
52. one two three
53. vAn mEgam
54. kAlam kAlamAga vAzhum
55. singaLaththuch chinnakkuyilE
56. mAmAvukku kudummA kudummA

That way, Radha still keeping lead but Revathy reducing the gap....Ra 84 / Re 56

1987

Radha got 3 albums from IR while Revathy got just one. Awesome songs in all the four albums, however

Anand (Radha got a ton of songs, including the first IR-LM song in TFM )

85. hEy you come to me
86. thodAdha thALam pOda vENdum
87. ArArO ArArO
88. I want to tell you something
89. poovukkuppoovAlE manjam onRu

jallikkattu (Radha had five songs from a NT movie! )

90. hEy rAjA onRAnOm indRu
91. kAdhal kiLiyE kAdhal kiLiyE
92. eththanaiyO kannippoNNu nAttil irukku
93. kaththichchaNdai pOdAmalE (dAs dAs chinnappa dAs dAs blown up into a full song, female version)
94. Eriyil oru Odam

ninaivE oru sangeetham (Radha had more songs than Rekha who was in the movie too)

95. EththamaiyyA Eththam
96. eduththu vachcha pAlum (female version, happy)
97. eduththu vachcha pAlum (male version, sad)
98. sandhakkada chellAyi On sarakku inga sellAdhu

grAmaththu minnal (Revathy got all songs, shared screen with grAma rAjan)

57. kaNNE en kaNNA nee
58. nee pOgum pAdhaiyil manasu pOguthE
59. kalyANam paNNikkoLLammA
60. vatti eduththEn
61. retta kiLi suththi vandha

So, Radha increased her lead in this year...looks like it will be difficult for Revathy to catch up as both were about the practically retire from playing main roles (and thus getting less songs from IR)

End of 1987 albums : Radha - 98, Revathy - 61 (BTW, Revathy is still to cross the Sridevi total of 69 TFM songs. I wonder if others such as Sujatha, Ambika & Radhika have equal or more numbers than her)

1988

Revathy drew a blank this year! (Probably she was losing out to newcomers - esp Nadhiya in this time period). Radha had 6 songs, to reach her century with IR in TFM

en uyir kaNNammA (Radha and Lakshmi in a movie directed by Sivachandran, husband of Lakshmi)

99. poompARaiyil pottu vachcha poonguruvi
100. yAraikkEttu neer thAn mEgam serndhadhO
101. maththaLam kottappOREn
102. nAn thEdum dEvadhaiyE

rAjAthi rAjA (produced by IR, Radha and Nadhiya for two roles of Rajini)

103. meenammA meenammA
104. vA vA manjaL malarE

I now wonder how many other heroines have more # of songs than Revathy... as of this year, Radha - 104 v/s Revathy 61 is a no-competition situation!

1989

Radha got two albums (chinnappadas / pick pocket, both movies with Satyaraj) compared to Revathy's one (arangEtRa vELai which released in 1990).

While movie videos of chinnappadas and pick pocket could be found on youtube, the songs themselves aren't around. Didn't have the patience to browse the movie to conclude what songs show the actress - jumped here and there to find some and those are listed below. If someone knows other do have her videos, please inform.

chinnappadAs

105. pAdum bakthai meerA (solo)
106. pAdum bakthai meerA (duet)
107. athu ithu ethu
108. vAnam thodAdha mEgam

pick pocket

109. soodu romba soodu
110. poovum thenRal kAtRum
(Not sure if manjakkuruvi and kAdhal thirudA came on screen)

arangEtRa vELai

62.  guNdu onnu vachchirukkEn
63. AgAya veNNilAvE
64. mAmanukkum machchAnukkum
65. thAi aRiyAdha thAmaraiyE

So, the gap is only widening. Radha - 110 v/s Revathy - 65 as of this year.

1990

Looks like the stream had dried up for Radha in TFM by this year (there are some Telugu dubbed movies / albums but I'm not counting any such for this exercise).

Revathy was still in reckoning and had 6 songs (from anjali, kizhakku vAsal and also rAjA kaiyA vachA where she did a cameo).

anjali

66. vAnam namakku veedhi
67. anjali anjali anjali
68. rAthiri nEraththil

kizhakku vAsal (Kushbu had songs too)

69. vandhadhE kungumam
70. pachcha malappoovu

rAjA kaiya vachchA

71. marudhAni araichchEnE

So, end of 1990 albums, Radha - 110 and Revathy - 71. Looks like a muyal-Amai race now, let us see

1991

Looks like none of these two had any song from the 1991 albums.

Also, after seeing 1990 / 1991, it looks like end-of-stream for Radha.

Revathy could get a few song in coming years (maRupadiyum / deiva vAkku etc)

1992

With Radha's marriage and quitting the TF industry in 1991, no more songs for her anymore! So, it's a question of whether Amai will do the catch-up...

chinna pasanga nAnga (another lady is Murali's jOdi)

72. ennai mAnamuLLa poNNu ennu (happy)
73. ennai mAnamuLLa poNNu ennu (pathos)
74. jOdi nalla jOdi idhu

deiva vAkku (Karthik hero, like kizhakku vAsal)

75. vaLLi vaLLi ena vandhAL
76. indha ammanukku endha ooru
77. oorellAm sAmiyAga pArkkum unnai
78. oru pAttAlE solli azhaichchEn

maRupadiyum (BM movie, Rohini got one song and others for Revathy)

79. ellOrukkum nalla kAlam uNdu
80. nalam vAzha ennALum en vAzhththukkaL
81. ellOrum sollum pAttu
82. nalladhOr veeNai seydhE

thEvar magan

83. inji iduppazhagi (solo)
84. inji iduppazhagi (duet)
85. maNamagaLE maNamagaLE
86. mAsaRu ponnE varuga

So, yet to catch up but a big harvest for Revathy in 1992 without doubt!

110 v/s 86

1993

Revathy gets 4 more from songs released in this year - and gets closer to the target
(இன்னும் "தென்றல் வந்து தீண்டும் போது" பாட்டெல்லாம் வர வேண்டி இருக்கே - எட்டிப்புடிச்சுடுவாங்களா?)

In any case, one album from this year.

magaLir mattum

87. magaLir mattum
88. kaRavai mAdu moonu
89. moththu moththunnu
90. veettai thANdi veLiyE vandhadhum

So, 110 v/s 90 - only 20 more songs to catch up!

Are this many numbers yet remaining? Let us see!

கொஞ்சம் படபடப்பாகத்தான் இருக்கிறது!

1994

Revathy adds another 4 songs to her kitty, from the film "priyankA".

I couldn't find the video of the sweet song 'gnAbagam illaiyO' (possibly not included in the film). If that was indeed in the film, with Revathy on screen, she will get one more. For now, only 4 - but that helps her move closer to Radha!

priyankA

91. jillA muzhukka nallAththeriyum
92. vanakkuyilE kuyil tharum kaviyE (what a lovely song!)
93. vettukkiLi vetti vandha vetti vEru vAsam
94. durgA durgA thudiththezhundhu

So, 110 v/s 94 and the lead is reduced to just 16 now!

Got the rest of the info for Revathy and let me close this race with this post

1995

avathAram

95. chandiranum sooriyanum
96. arithAratha poosikkoLLa Asa
97. thenRal vandhu theeNdum pOthu
98. thonRu thottu inRu varai


1998

thalaimuRai

99. enna peththa rAsA (happy)
100. enna peththa rAsA (pathos)
101. thaththi thaththi thAvum poovE
102. veLLimaNi thottil katta
103. enga maharANikenna inge kObam

And that is curtains (so far...BTW, Revathy is still acting, even showed face in a movie recently for which IR was the composer - ammA kaNakku. She didn't get chance to show face for any song, though. There is still possibility for her to reach out and try to compete with Radha )

So, as per the final count, Radha wins with a 7 song difference

Radha - 110 & Revathy - 103
(strictly TFM, no dubbing biz. If we add other languages, esp. Telugu, Radha's lead will only increase)

So close , Should we continue the thread with next pair of actress

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pgramss wrote:So close , Should we continue the thread with next pair of actress

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There are some with probability to topple Radha.

From a quick scan of the Anbu sir's spreadsheet and some wikipedia based filmographies, following could be contenders for the title :

-Radhika
-Suhasini
-Ambika
-Kushboo
-some others, like Sujatha / Nadhiya / Shobana and suchlike ones

இன்னொரு நாள் பார்ப்போம்!