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Post  Usha on Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:09 pm

Ennudaiyaa favourite Ilaiyarajavin Madhyamavathi.....  ( en paiyan ipodhu indha ragathai IR musicil  kandu pidika arambithu
irukiran.. )

Madhyamavathi ragathin Maharaja by Madhura sudha..

Ennudaiya vaarthaigal.. ennagalai edhir olikirar...... really nice to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik_ZdYqgZfY

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Post  Usha on Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:25 pm

Maniratnam about IR......... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVwm3MIBfpA

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Post  Usha on Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:30 pm

Happy Birthday Raja Sir............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jOF4H59GZM

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Post  kiru on Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:56 pm

Usha wrote:Maniratnam about IR......... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVwm3MIBfpA
Note, that he used the word 'progressive' .. meaning IR is not progressive. I think MR always wanted very modern music. He has been going very modern in his stories as well. IR will not do "modern" like the way MR wants. MR wants the exact sound signature to be comparable with European/American pop music. This is only possible with Rahman, who will use the same loops, equipment etc. Rahman will keep hunting around for different sounds/genre all the time. IR needs to understand some thing very well, internalize and then do it, in his own way. For eg, some thing like Classic Rock is up in IR's territory but will not be perceived by MR or his audience as "modern". I have to agree with the rabid IR fans on the net who think there is no soul in Rahman's music. He is doing music just to make it sound "cool'. He relies heavily on his singers to add to the impact. On the other hand, even Imaan's music feels like it has some wholeness to it.  But Rahman will continue to be the commercial favorite as the young audience will go for the novel/cool sounds. I am not necessarily fond of MR, I know he knows his art well, but I rate him low on originality. In a way, MR and Rahman are made for each other. I am saddened only the ignorance of the value/understanding of music with our audience. At least, in the US/Europe the market is mature and differentiated - we dont have different courses for different horses. And unfortunately a thoroughbred gets compared with a pedestrian.

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Post  Usha on Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:59 pm

kiru,
  mennu muzhungi sollum  podhae poi theiryum.. avvalavu dhan.....adhaiyum thandi, IR patri sonna sila unmaigal..
dhairiyamaga solli vittar...............  Rolling Eyes (adhil poi theriyavillai......)

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Post  Raaga_Suresh on Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:10 am

kiru wrote:
Usha wrote:Maniratnam about IR......... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVwm3MIBfpA
Note, that he used the word 'progressive' .. meaning IR is not progressive. I think MR always wanted very modern music. He has been going very modern in his stories as well. IR will not do "modern" like the way MR wants. MR wants the exact sound signature to be comparable with European/American pop music. This is only possible with Rahman, who will use the same loops, equipment etc. Rahman will keep hunting around for different sounds/genre all the time. IR needs to understand some thing very well, internalize and then do it, in his own way. For eg, some thing like Classic Rock is up in IR's territory but will not be perceived by MR or his audience as "modern". I have to agree with the rabid IR fans on the net who think there is no soul in Rahman's music. He is doing music just to make it sound "cool'. He relies heavily on his singers to add to the impact. On the other hand, even Imaan's music feels like it has some wholeness to it.  But Rahman will continue to be the commercial favorite as the young audience will go for the novel/cool sounds. I am not necessarily fond of MR, I know he knows his art well, but I rate him low on originality. In a way, MR and Rahman are made for each other. I am saddened only the ignorance of the value/understanding of music with our audience. At least, in the US/Europe the market is mature and differentiated - we dont have different courses for different horses. And unfortunately a thoroughbred gets compared with a pedestrian.
Kiru,

What you said is perfect. MR's movies have been very plastic in nature and for his films, the plastic nature of Rahman's music suits perfectly. I was watching what was a key scene of 'Kannathil Muththamittal'. The child meeting her real mother in Srilanka. What a waste!! The direction, the dialogues and the music all feel so fake. Rahman has absolutely no clue on how to enhance the scene, the dialog writer has no clue on how to do effective dialogs and Maniratham has no clue on how to manage this emotionally intense situation. If you check the BGM in MR's earlier movies with Raja and later with Rahman you can clearly see how Raja managed to keep the emotions real. That is a very big difference.

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Post  ravinat on Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:06 pm

Raaga_Suresh wrote:
kiru wrote:
Usha wrote:Maniratnam about IR......... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVwm3MIBfpA
Note, that he used the word 'progressive' .. meaning IR is not progressive. I think MR always wanted very modern music. He has been going very modern in his stories as well. IR will not do "modern" like the way MR wants. MR wants the exact sound signature to be comparable with European/American pop music. This is only possible with Rahman, who will use the same loops, equipment etc. Rahman will keep hunting around for different sounds/genre all the time. IR needs to understand some thing very well, internalize and then do it, in his own way. For eg, some thing like Classic Rock is up in IR's territory but will not be perceived by MR or his audience as "modern". I have to agree with the rabid IR fans on the net who think there is no soul in Rahman's music. He is doing music just to make it sound "cool'. He relies heavily on his singers to add to the impact. On the other hand, even Imaan's music feels like it has some wholeness to it.  But Rahman will continue to be the commercial favorite as the young audience will go for the novel/cool sounds. I am not necessarily fond of MR, I know he knows his art well, but I rate him low on originality. In a way, MR and Rahman are made for each other. I am saddened only the ignorance of the value/understanding of music with our audience. At least, in the US/Europe the market is mature and differentiated - we dont have different courses for different horses. And unfortunately a thoroughbred gets compared with a pedestrian.
Kiru,

What you said is perfect. MR's movies have been very plastic in nature and for his films, the plastic nature of Rahman's music suits perfectly. I was watching what was a key scene of 'Kannathil Muththamittal'. The child meeting her real mother in Srilanka. What a waste!! The direction, the dialogues and the music all feel so fake. Rahman has absolutely no clue on how to enhance the scene, the dialog writer has no clue on how to do effective dialogs and Maniratham has no clue on how to manage this emotionally intense situation. If you check the BGM in MR's earlier movies with Raja and later with Rahman you can clearly see how Raja managed to keep the emotions real. That is a very big difference.

Suresh,


   Emotion, unfortunately has a language implication. When you want to sell your stuff to a pan-Indian audience, it's about the attractive colorful wrap and promotion that takes priority. Emotion takes a backseat. Unilever/HT has been practicing that for ages in India. The composer who comes from a 'Unilever' type setting does precisely that.


  Having said that, every time a MR film comes out, my sympathies go out to AR. He spends an enormous amount of energy in creating a couple of nice tunes which MR fritters away. But AR runs out of energy to write a good BGM for the film and they try to get away based on the early successes of Alai Payudhe, Bombay etc. AR should do us all a favor. He should do a crappy set of tunes for MR and be done with him. We will also be relieved :-) Unfortunately, he tried that with Ayudha Ezhuthu and it didn't work. Try again AR.

  Can anyone imagine Mounaragam without Raja? Mani's shots did not have any great emotion. Imagine Nayagan without Kamal, Raja and Janakaraj. That would have been a dud too.

  In my view, the only true directorial school that ever existed in Tamil was Balu Mahendra and his students. He taught every student the real aspects of cinema and background music.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 4

Post  kiru on Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:49 am

Suresh, that's the word - plastic. And Ravi is right in pointing out the "marketed/packaged" art these days. Note, Mani has a Business degree and probably this is what makes him use various things in perfect proportions. I was really saddened by BM's passing away. He seemed to be a real gentleman who wanted to encourage young talent (ARR) but always stuck by his own standards (IR). Yes, many movies were made credible and serious by the music of this man. Without any qualms a true legend.

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Post  crimson king on Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:25 pm

kiru wrote:
Usha wrote:Maniratnam about IR......... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVwm3MIBfpA
Note, that he used the word 'progressive' .. meaning IR is not progressive. I think MR always wanted very modern music. He has been going very modern in his stories as well. IR will not do "modern" like the way MR wants. MR wants the exact sound signature to be comparable with European/American pop music. This is only possible with Rahman, who will use the same loops, equipment etc. Rahman will keep hunting around for different sounds/genre all the time. IR needs to understand some thing very well, internalize and then do it, in his own way. For eg, some thing like Classic Rock is up in IR's territory but will not be perceived by MR or his audience as "modern". I have to agree with the rabid IR fans on the net who think there is no soul in Rahman's music. He is doing music just to make it sound "cool'. He relies heavily on his singers to add to the impact. On the other hand, even Imaan's music feels like it has some wholeness to it.  But Rahman will continue to be the commercial favorite as the young audience will go for the novel/cool sounds. I am not necessarily fond of MR, I know he knows his art well, but I rate him low on originality. In a way, MR and Rahman are made for each other. I am saddened only the ignorance of the value/understanding of music with our audience. At least, in the US/Europe the market is mature and differentiated - we dont have different courses for different horses. And unfortunately a thoroughbred gets compared with a pedestrian.

It was a pretty strange interview from MR.  In trying to please both sides, he ended up insulting both composers.  He says he is a practical man.  Meaning, if it was practical (read commercially viable) to hire IR, he would go back to him in the blink of an eye?  Meaning further that all the praise he lavishes on ARR is empty?  As far as progressive, I don't know in what exact sense MR meant progressive, but as I have often said, it is IR who brought the closest there is to progressive rock in IFM. Razz  If there is such a thing as progressive 'jazz', it is a very rarely used term because jazz has been very complex, technical music for a long time now. And other than that, I am not aware of any other usage of progressive in a music classification context. Rahman certainly isn't, ok but for a fleeting glimpse in Thiruda Thiruda.  I wonder does he in private sing about that fleeting glimpse and lament having become comfortably numb because that's the best phrase to describe his current work.

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Post  Shank on Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:34 pm

CK, I like your Floyd references :-)

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 4

Post  ravinat on Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:03 pm

<Self plug>
Any serious researcher on Raja's work comes out with a sense of defeated happily that his/her research could not contain the creativity of this genius with their theory.

This is the strangest emotion of a Raja researcher.

Happy while defeated!

Most of them (me included) share that emotion with the world.

</Self Plug>

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