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Post  irir123 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:38 pm

i have deliberately avoided naming the jazz bands or the ppl i met with - once something positive comes out, will share their names !

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:42 pm

irir123 wrote:i have deliberately avoided naming the jazz bands or the ppl i met with - once something positive comes out, will share their names !

எப்ப இங்கன வந்தீர்?? நான் முன்னமே அழைப்பு அனுப்பிநேனே! Smile

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Post  irir123 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:46 pm

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:
irir123 wrote:i have deliberately avoided naming the jazz bands or the ppl i met with - once something positive comes out, will share their names !

எப்ப இங்கன வந்தீர்?? நான் முன்னமே அழைப்பு அனுப்பிநேனே! Smile

SKV - oru maasamaa, kanna pinnaa busy! ippa thaan yedho konjam time kidachu, Plum et al enakku anuppichha PMs padichadhukkapparam, ingana vandhaen!

btw, VR audio promos are 'pattai kilappu' variety! the audio is as close to virumandi class as SEL can hopefully get! kickass - am impressed!

VR audio will be my next buy this year after NEPV !

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Post  jaiganesh on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:59 pm

I learnt from the performance today radio that Jazz legend Dave Brubeck passed away.
Then they broadcast an old interview of Dave and he says that he joined a prestigious music school and
was caught by a teacher playing the wrong notes (As he didnt know how to read notes then). His Principal was
about to fire him from the school when another teacher intervened and told how Dave could compose the best counterpoints
for his scores and took him under his wing. This kinda placed the importance and value of 'counterpoints' in WCM.
Immediately lifted my collar for our Raaja who is a counterpoint king of sorts.
To IRIR - sir - we need to compile a 'counterpoints' collection from all those interludes and BGMs and record them in a CD...
Next time you can slip in this CD too - just to highlight..

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  irir123 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:01 pm

jaiganesh wrote:I learnt from the performance today radio that Jazz legend Dave Brubeck passed away.
Then they broadcast an old interview of Dave and he says that he joined a prestigious music school and
was caught by a teacher playing the wrong notes (As he didnt know how to read notes then). His Principal was
about to fire him from the school when another teacher intervened and told how Dave could compose the best counterpoints
for his scores and took him under his wing. This kinda placed the importance and value of 'counterpoints' in WCM.
Immediately lifted my collar for our Raaja who is a counterpoint king of sorts.
To IRIR - sir - we need to compile a 'counterpoints' collection from all those interludes and BGMs and record them in a CD...
Next time you can slip in this CD too - just to highlight..

Jai - great idea - konjam breather venumgo! am doing my best with what little resources and time i have besides my work!

slow and steady!

one more album in the calibre of NEPV pls from IR ! no more MM kind

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  jaiganesh on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:13 pm

@V_S - oru counterpoint thread aarambikkalaama?

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  V_S on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:26 pm

Yes sure we can Jai. We have tons of ludes.Very Happy Please do the honors! Very Happy

Welcome irir123 here. Glad to see your updates and it's always amazing to see your passion with Raja. Can't believe you are getting closer to John Williams, hat's off man!. cheers

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Post  app_engine on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:45 pm

நல்வரவு irir123!

ராசா இசையைப் பிரபலமாக்க எடுக்கும் உங்கள் முயற்சிகளில் வெற்றி பெற வாழ்த்துகள்!


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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  plum on Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:51 am

irir123 - welcome welcome! nInga vandhadhE indha forumku periya azhagu.
Your efforts in popularizing IR are phenomenal. Whether you succeed or not(which depends on IR's fate as well - admittedly, a fate that is making him kudathilitta viLakku firmly!), the effort itself deserves a A+.

Like B(K), let me echo Bharathiraja in NEPV function

"irir123 - you are a hitech man"

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  irir123 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:45 pm

plum wrote:irir123 - welcome welcome! nInga vandhadhE indha forumku periya azhagu.
Your efforts in popularizing IR are phenomenal. Whether you succeed or not(which depends on IR's fate as well - admittedly, a fate that is making him kudathilitta viLakku firmly!), the effort itself deserves a A+.

Like B(K), let me echo Bharathiraja in NEPV function

"irir123 - you are a hitech man"

"hitech" "middle tech" "lowtech" (neenga Indian railwaysla romba payanippeengalonnu thonudhu - )) LOL!) idhellaam namakku theriyaadhu

naamellam 'recording sarilla', 'adhigamaa synth use paanraaru', 'spontaneity kaanaama pocchu', 'avaroda natural flow kaanavey kaanom" - ippadillaam ivvalavu pulambinadhukkappuram this man comes up with a stunner like NEPV and that too @ 70 years of age! avar kadamaiya avar senjuttaar, namadhu kadamai naam seivom - ambuttuthaanungo!

I am still kindof annoyed with GVM and SONY for NOT releasing the instrumental versions of the soundtracks which they had originally promised to release - compared to other albums that came from IR, in terms of quality and recording, NEPV is 10 or 100 times better - irundhaalum, makkals ask me "the music is great, but what are the singers singing ?" - namakku aala therndheduthhu CD ya kodukkaradhey periya task - idhula, ovvoru paatayum translate pannittirundha, yennoda velaya yevan paakkuradhu ?

nevertheless, the orchestration and recording quality both are so top-notch that ppl get bowled over after just one hearing!

a crude overall observation from feedback i have received so far: every woman/girl whom I have shared NEPV with, love "mudhal murai paartha gyabagam" instantly ! comments range from "thats cool", "very 'adele' ish", "sounds like sheryl crow shd have sung it" etc etc! and btw, these comments are from women in the age group 20-30 here in the mainstream urban US!

and 'saayndhu saayndhu' evokes "but for the male singer who sounds like he was on drugs, the song is so strange, there is so much in it - i dont want to describe it - but i do want to listen to it several times "! - an oboe player friend of mine called me after his first listen and told me "hmm - some nice lush orchestral arrangement in that first song" (trained musicians are not used to hyperbole, so this comment is a very positive compliment!)

imagine, an electric guitar based arrangement for 'mudhal murai' and 'pengal yendral' for instrumental versions - the album would have reached Joe Satriani / Steve Vai proportions!

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  SenthilVinu on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:59 pm

irir123:

Lyrics are critical point for most ppl. We are conditioned to relate to music from lyrical point of view. Kudos to ur efforts though!

My friends didn't warm up for NEPV. Raja music is a genre, it takes to get into it. I remember first time i listened to old Jazz music, I was like what the heck are these guys playing?

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  kiru on Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:35 am

irir123 wrote:..
naamellam 'recording sarilla', 'adhigamaa synth use paanraaru', 'spontaneity kaanaama pocchu', 'avaroda natural flow kaanavey kaanom" - ippadillaam ivvalavu pulambinadhukkappuram this man comes up with a stunner like NEPV and that too @ 70 years of age!
I am guilty of some of these comments too. Dammit .. I feel silly. So even if I hear an unknown crappy song from IR I have decided not to open my mouth about it :-)
Appreciate your efforts dear friend.. not because I want IR to be acknowledged..but I want people to realize I have good music sense :-)

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:51 pm

People abuse rAsA on thatstamil website based on the Jeyakanthan stuff dragged by VM

Look at how this website gives title "music director disappoints his friend" Laughing

One way this is good - more people will come to know of the "chinna budhdhi" of vairam (of rejoicing on the ladAi between two lions; a typical "kazhudhaippuli" behaviour) Laughing

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Post  plum on Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:16 pm

App - mostly the abuse is on Vairam and sadly, jayakanthan.
As one person observed there, it is a personal issue between JK and Raja. They are friends from AdhikAlam. They have the rights between them to behave like that. By talking about that in public, it is Diamond Pearl who has made himself small, if that is even possible for this poet of dimunitive stature.

And secondly, singam aRacheeRRamnu ellAm sollittu, he has exposed how JK was forced to pitchai kEttufy this Diamondu for kalyANa mandapam.

nee ennada enakku mandabam thaRRadhunu kovilla kalyANAm nadathi irundhA adhu singam. This incident, sadly, to me, shows that JK is no longer a singam.

adhai veLiyil solli, nAn avarukku udhavinEnnu thaRperumai pEsum Diamondin seyalE keezhtharamAna seyal.

Surprisinly, there are a lot of folks in that link who identified this.

Tamizhnadu - I didnt expect this much intelligence from you Smile

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:49 pm

plum,
Smile

Did you notice one "rajaramsgi" connected the viswaroop release thingy with this vikatan badhil there...may be inspired by your sirippu post here Smile (If he has never visited us, it's possibly a case of thinking alike...as usual, raja_fan is talking nonsense there)...


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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:48 pm

Possible reason for JeMo & Suka meeting IR recently


2012ம் ஆண்டுக்கான விஷ்ணுபுரம் விருது கவிஞர் தேவதேவனுக்கு வழங்கப்படுகிறது. இசைஞானி இளையராஜா அவருக்கு விருதை வழங்கி கௌரவிக்கிறார்.
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விருது வழங்கும் விழா வரும் 22ம் தேதி கோவை ஆர்.எஸ்.புரம் மாநாகராட்சி கலையரங்கில் நடைபெறுகிறது. விழாவுக்கு முன்னிலை வகிக்கும் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா தேவதேவனுக்கு விருதை வழங்கி கௌரவிக்கிறார்.

விழாவில் நாஞ்சில் நாடன், கல்பற்றா நாராயணன், ஜெயமோகன், விமர்சகர் மோகனரங்கன், இயக்குனர் சுகா, ராஜகோபாலன் உள்ளிட்ட பிரபல எழுத்தாளர்கள் கலந்துகொண்டு தேவதேவனை வாழ்த்த இருக்கிறார்கள்

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:07 pm

Another report on the MR's "IR is a genius" statement


“Ilayaraja is a genius. I am nothing when I stood before him for the first time, asking him to compose music for my film. From that time, he gave life to my movies with his music,” said Mani Ratnam.

There's a nice sketch in this link and let me paste it here:



It would be interesting if MR-ARR bring rAsA to kadal music release (and say rAsA enakku aNNan-uncle respectively, like Kamal) Laughing

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:34 pm

Which mag this interview appeared?

Gautam wrote:
‘‘எல்லா டைரக்டர்களுக்குமே அவரோட வொர்க் பண்ணணும்னு ஆசை இருக்கும். இந்த புராஜெக்ட்ல அவர் கமிட் ஆகறதுக்கு முன்னாடி, எனக்குள்ள ஒரு பயம் இருந்துச்சு. நம்மளோட வொர்க் பண்ணுவாரா, அவர்கிட்ட சொல்ல முடியுமான்னு நிறைய கேள்விகள் இருந்துச்சு. ஆனா ரொம்ப ஃபிரண்ட்லியா இருக்கார். நான் எங்கயாவது இருந்தா, ‘என்ன கௌதம்… என்னோட வொர்க்கை பார்க்கணும்னு உனக்கு ஆர்வம் இல்லையா’ன்னு போன் போட்டு கேட்பார். ‘இதோ வந்திடுறேன்’னு ஓடுவேன்.

பின்னணி இசைன்னு வரும்போது ஒரு சீனை தூக்கி நிறுத்தணும்னு அவசரப்பட்டு அவர் ஸ்கோர் பண்ண நினைக்கிறதில்லை. கரெக்டான இடத்துல மட்டும்தான் மியூசிக் போடுவார். ஒரு பஞ்ச் சீன் இருக்குன்னா ஆடியன்ஸ் அதை என்ஜாய் பண்ண இடம் கொடுத்துட்டு, அப்புறம்தான் மியூசிக் போடுறார். எங்களுக்குள்ள ஒரு அழகான நட்பு போய்க்கிட்டிருக்கு…’’
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"கௌதமோட இனி வொர்க் பண்ணமாட்டேன்னு ஹாரிஸ்தான் சொன்னார். நான் அப்படிச் சொல்லல. சொல்லவும் மாட்டேன். சூழ்நிலை கூடிவந்து அமைஞ்சா, கண்டிப்பா அவரை நான் கூப்பிடுவேன். தொடர்ந்து ராஜா சார்னும் இப்போதைக்கு சொல்லமுடியாது. அடுத்த படத்தோட ஸ்கிரிப்ட் வொர்க் இப்போதான் தொடங்கியிருக்கு. சூர்யா நடிக்கிறார். மற்ற விஷயங்களெல்லம் இன்னும் முடிவாகல!’’

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:50 pm

Don't miss this blog post on 'ada machcham uLLa' song:

http://kushionline.blogspot.in/2012/12/blog-post.html


இப்பாடல், ராஜாவின் எந்த கிளாசிக் லிஸ்டிலும் வராது. ட்விட்டர்க்காரர்கள் சிலாகிக்கும் ’ரேர்’ லிஸ்டிலும் வராது. தாரை தாரையாக நீரெல்லாம் வரவைக்காது (கண்ணில்). இசையருவி, சன்மியூசிக்கில் வராது. அவ்வளவு ஏன், ராஜாவின் கச்சேரியிலேயே பாடப்படுவதில்லை.

அட, இப்பாடல் ‘நீங்க நான் ராஜா சார்”ல கூட வரலை சார்..

”அப்படியென்ன பாட்டு சார், அவ்வளவு நல்லா இருக்குமா” என ஜாக்கிசேகர் ப்ளாகில் வரும் ‘நானே கேள்வி நானே பதில்’ வாசகர் போல் கேட்டீர்களேயானால், அதற்கு ஜாக்கியின் உலகப்புகழ்பெற்ற வார்த்தையை தான் பதிலாக சொல்லவேண்டும். இப்பாடலை விளக்க அந்த ஒத்த வார்த்தையை ஒத்த வார்த்தை இல்லை.

சின்னவீடு படத்தின் ‘அட மச்சமுள்ள’ பாடலே பற்றியே இப்பதிவு.

Some of us may recall the excellent post by V_Sji on this song in the IR-SPB thread of the hub. It's quite possible that this blogger saw that post there...

Now, there's another blogpost which came as an offshoot of the above blogpost, which is quite interesting too :

http://nchokkan.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/intrprtn/


ஆக, இளையராஜா இந்தக் காரணத்துக்காகதான் அங்கே வீணை மற்றும் புல்லாங்குழலைச் சேர்த்தாரா என்பது நமக்குத் தெரியாது. பாடல் வரிகள், காட்சி அமைப்பு, படத்தின் கதை என்று பலவற்றைச் சேர்த்துக் கேட்கிறபோது அப்படித் தோன்றுகிறது. அவ்வளவுதான்.

இது ராஜா பாட்டுகளுக்குமட்டுமல்ல, எல்லாப் பெரும் படைப்புகளுக்கும் பொருந்தும். எப்போதோ எழுதப்பட்ட குறுந்தொகை, புறநானூறு, நாலாயிரம் திவ்யப் பிரபந்தம், கம்பர் பாடல்களுக்கு நாம் இப்போது யோசித்துப் புது விளக்கங்கள், சாத்தியங்களைச் சேர்க்கிறோம், அதனால் அவை நமக்கு (சில சமயங்களில் பிறர்க்கும்) மேலும் அழகாகத் தெரிகின்றன.

ஆக, அந்த இசையமைப்பாளரோ கவிஞரோ அதை நினைத்து எழுதியிருக்கவேண்டிய அவசியமே இல்லை. அப்படிப்பட்ட கூடுதல் interpretationகளுக்கு சாத்தியம் அளிக்கிற படைப்புகளாக அவை இருக்கின்றன. அவ்வளவுதான்.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:02 pm

BTW, that blogger cannot claim "copyright" for connecting rAsA's nadhir dhannA business with 'maRRadhu' Laughing

Look at my post on ada machcham uLLa :

a_e wrote:
Other than the terrific percussion cocktail, the song also boasts of the spicy 'dhira nanna' thingy. Sometime back KV was trying to find out if TVG had sung in any other song - I'm not positive this is TVG but at the minimum, it's TVG-like sound made by someone. Spice taken from 'idhu oru nilAkkAlam' song and I think IR is trying to connect 'sabalam' with such lingo. In common speech, people use such jiginA phrases as 'oof, aaf, jollu, aiyyO, yabbA, yammA' to connect with this and looks like dhira nannA / nagir dhanA etc do that job in rAsA language (apart from the other mukkal munagals patented by SJ). In any case, that fusion makes this song extra-catchy and sophisticated.

Also, that blogger seems to reflect another sentiment in my post, that of this song not getting enough attention (to which V_Sji responded with a lovely post):
a_e wrote:
I don't remember reading much dissection of this song by hub-pundits...I feel there are some brilliant musical ideas hiding in this number to be uncovered by V_Sji / Sureshji and other experts. Request their kind attention


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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  plum on Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:04 am

Definitely seems inspired by V_S's post.

As IR himself said about Anand-Milind when he was asked whether he'll sue A-M for stealing his songs, "illAdhavargaL eduththu koLgiRArgaL. idhaRkku edhukku nAn sue-lAm paNNanium" Smile

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:39 pm

plum,
I posted a comment there (giving link to V_Sji's article and my masAlA post) and he visited there (only now). Also responded with a comment that V_Sji's analysis is indeed very deep Smile

BTW, he had given a link to the cassette cover of chinna veedu:
http://musicalaya.net/imgviewer.php?mod=lpcovers/157/3/1/1

This confirms that T V G did that dhira nannA stuff Smile

So, KV sir (kalyANa busyla iruppArnu ninaikkiREn), now I have three TVG numbers for sure :

-andhi mazhai pozhikiRadhu (rAja pArvai)
-idhu oru nilAkkAlam (tik tik tik)
-ada machcham uLLa (chinna veedu)

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:50 pm

That website seems to be a nice hunting ground :

Look at this LP record cover hosted there:
http://musicalaya.net/imgviewer.php?mod=lpcovers/309/3/1/1

(iLamaikkAlangaL, lists everybody except the director of the movie! MISSING! Laughing I've often posted in the hub that Manivannan came into the scene ONLY AFTER the release of the music and this authenticates it! It's possible R Sundarrajan, after the stupendous success of PM, was expected to do this but things didn't work out)

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:53 pm

And, I am extremely thrilled to see that my favourite 'isai mEdaiyil' is on BOTH SIDES of the LP record (first of four on one side and last of four on the other)!

Obvious IR favourite to get "billed twice" in that EchO record Smile

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 1

Post  app_engine on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:26 pm

Look at this image from that "disc cover" thingy (I did a print screen and uploaded to "image shack", using the tool in our editor here):



Interesting to see a disk with both Guru & Kali released by inreco (a Kamal movie & a Rajini movie on the same disk!)...

Also, nice to see how many songs of these were by Kavingar!

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