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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:29 pm

2040 wrote:one thing i am not clear...

how is it not possible to record the movie when playing in the tv... they say encrypted and all... but still... if i am not wrong, a normal VCR connected to the tv can record whatever plays in the tv right??

SS, 2 things, it is not possible to take TV out, i tried that sometimes back.

2nd thing, yes it is possible to record a good quality cam print by just placing a camera in front of tv. with many cameras available, that too with no one to watch!(unlike theater) there shud be many ppl who record the screen! but it may be easily trackable to which dth connection was used to record. and further actions.
but i guess, while online uploading is easy recipe for getting caught, still offline circulation is possible. but anyways offline circulation cant be spread to many ppl as fast and easy as online copy. Lets see what happens! Anyways, someone has to start this, coming out of theater format and creating new avenues for revenues. Vishwaroop is either a trend setter or Bali aadu. Hope the latter never happens


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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:32 pm

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ங்கொய்யால காக்கா மூஞ்சில கரி கூட பூச முடியாதே, கைல கெடச்சா பிரியாணி போட்றவேண்டியது தான்!

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Post  Karthikeyan on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:37 pm

CF,

theatre owners are already signing up..

2040,

to record via DTH, you need a special accessory but that has to be enabled by the operator.. if it is encrypted, then recording is not possible.

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Post  2040 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:39 pm

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:
2040 wrote:one thing i am not clear...

how is it not possible to record the movie when playing in the tv... they say encrypted and all... but still... if i am not wrong, a normal VCR connected to the tv can record whatever plays in the tv right??

SS, 2 things, it is not possible to take TV out, i tried that sometimes back.

2nd thing, yes it is possible to record a good quality cam print by just placing a camera in front of tv. with many cameras available, that too with no one to watch!(unlike theater) there shud be many ppl who record the screen! but it may be easily trackable to which dth connection was used to record. and further actions.
but i guess, while online uploading is easy recipe for getting caught, still offline circulation is possible. but anyways offline circulation cant be spread to many ppl as fast and easy as online copy. Lets see what happens! Anyways, someone has to start this, coming out of theater format and creating new avenues for revenues. Vishwaroop is either a trend setter or Bali aadu. Hope the latter never happens

the advantages of it: no second thoughts...

i was jus wondering on that particular point - recording/copying...

btw, how do u mean that they can track the dth connection???



secondly,

the idea of premiering it in TV 8 hrs before the theatrical release... is that a good idea??? will the fans not want to watch the movie before going for FDFS?? will it not spoil the fun for them?? i mean the rational behind that <8 hrs>?

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Post  Bala (Karthik) on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:43 pm

SS
This is NOT targeted to the fans who go to FDFS in theaters. This is intended (though it may end up being watched by other categories also) for people who will not got to theaters anyway. Also, fans will go to FDFS and other shows whether or not they have watched it in DTH.
Moreover, in Kamal's words, "TV la paathuttu theater ku poi paakkalenna enna kelunga".

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Post  2040 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:50 pm

a fan will watch anyway...

my point:

1. it will kill the excitement of a fan who wants to have the first look of his idol in big screen... (idhanaala onnum nastam illai)

2. adhenna 8 hours prior?? as the theatrical shows premier at different times in different time zones... which time zone they take into acct for this 8 hrs prior TV release?? (DTH release is gonna be once for all no)

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:52 pm

SS, each and every user's copy of the movie is individually encrypted and you can see ramdom numbers on random place of screen appearing for random seconds. That is one way. there are many ways where the user cant see the encrypted data shown on screen.

http://www.verimatrix.com/press-releases/iptv-operators-can-now-track-video-piracy-its-source-new-digital-watermarking
The user-specific digital watermark is a machine readable electronic fingerprint, which is embedded in the video stream. The watermark is invisible to the naked eye, but survives the transition from digital to analog and also commonly-used transcoding methods.

Likewise, the encryption can be also in audio, which human ear cannot detect and even if detected, cannot know what to replace there etc... Simply, there shud be n number of permutations and combinations as ro what and where and when and how to individually encrypt each user's copy so that all are different. I guess eve if u combine the movie from various sources of DTH still it shud be possible to detect the source.

Athai vechikittu enna pannuvaanga, and given that DTH are actually kind of portable, eppadi kandupidippaanga, and fake addresses, aal illaa veetla dish antenna etc eppadi kandupudippanga nnu theriyaathu. we can take it as this is a starting.

I guess there is no way to 'track' the DTH connection if the user moves froma registered address to unknown place. Lets see

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Post  2040 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:57 pm

thanks for the gyan sakala...

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Post  Bala (Karthik) on Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:16 pm

Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
So get ready to watch from your homes a huge film with your entire family without any hassle of traveling & parking on Pongal day:-)


3m Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
The DTH operators will be bidding 4 other films for premiere. This means additional revenue to all Producers for their film. Kamal sir leads

5m Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
What a genius! Kamal sir ensured entire Producer fraternity support his plan unanimously by explaining the full plan & getting their consent

7m Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
All DTH operators have signed for the premiere of #Viswaroopam. First time ever a huge film will be available in multiple mediums for people

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:49 pm

2040 wrote:a fan will watch anyway...

my point:

1. it will kill the excitement of a fan who wants to have the first look of his idol in big screen... (idhanaala onnum nastam illai)

that is one way to look at it! But the primary reason how he can make a sum as high as 50C is (my guess thaanungo!) he is releasing the film 8 hours b4 theaters. which means DTH is the 1st medium in ulaga tholaikaatchi varalaatril, to show vishwaroopam to the world! Intha point um, high amount kku oru reason aaga irunthirukka vaaipu irukkirathu!

But again, now the time zone et all come to play! AFAIK this dth is only in India. but theatrical prints has to be shown 1st in some other countries, like, gulf, malaysia etc.. lets see whos gonna be the 1st one to catch and watch the film! Jan 11th time zone ahead aa irukkura Foreign countries aa, allathu indian time pragaaram 8hours ahead aa padam kaatta pora DTH aannu!

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:52 pm

But b4 raising the shoulder, lets consider this too! it seems still not all out of the 3 departments concerned (theatre/distri/prod) are satisfied or being attempted to, by kamal

Sreedhar Pillai ‏@sri50
#Viswharoopam : Kamal Haasan decides 2 show the film on DTH. Theater lobby up in arms. Emergency meeting 2 moro (Dec 6)!
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Post  2040 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:56 pm

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:

that is one way to look at it! But the primary reason how he can make a sum as high as 50C is (my guess thaanungo!) he is releasing the film 8 hours b4 theaters. which means DTH is the 1st medium in ulaga tholaikaatchi varalaatril, to show vishwaroopam to the world! Intha point um, high amount kku oru reason aaga irunthirukka vaaipu irukkirathu!

possible...


But again, now the time zone et all come to play! AFAIK this dth is only in India. but theatrical prints has to be shown 1st in some other countries, like, gulf, malaysia etc.. lets see whos gonna be the 1st one to catch and watch the film! Jan 11th time zone ahead aa irukkura Foreign countries aa, allathu indian time pragaaram 8hours ahead aa padam kaatta pora DTH aannu!

oh only india?? i believe overseas ppl also can watch...

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Post  Bala (Karthik) on Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:59 pm

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:But b4 raising the shoulder, lets consider this too! it seems still not all out of the 3 departments concerned (theatre/distri/prod) are satisfied or being attempted to, by kamal

Sreedhar Pillai ‏@sri50
#Viswharoopam : Kamal Haasan decides 2 show the film on DTH. Theater lobby up in arms. Emergency meeting 2 moro (Dec 6)!
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@sri50 already people started campaign against kamal sir. Pls watch Sun news.

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Post  Wizzy on Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:08 pm

oh only india?? i believe overseas ppl also can watch...

yep, most of the Indian DTHs cover Saarc countries, sites like DT/BW routinely upload Tksy/Airtel HD- DTH rips.
guess they will have a different encryption for premier shows unlike they employ currently.

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:34 pm

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Abirami Ramanatha #Vishwaroopam on DTH - " I have no comments 2 offer now. We have called 4 extraordinary theater association meeting 2moro"

ஆக, நாளை மீட்டிங்கில் தான் முடிவாகும் போல!

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Post  plum on Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:16 pm

aNnan Joe, elsewhere wrote: Bala, engirundhAlum mEdaikku varavum

enna ivaru amensia vandhuruchA? Grouch - aNNan joevai ingE koottikuttu vAnga

Bala - some of the others I understand will have dual loyalty to both places since they didnt face the araajagam there face-on like us but you are among the ones whom I would feel let down if you patronise that place again Smile

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Post  app_engine on Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:30 pm

plum wrote: araajagam

What an apt word for the anti-rAjA stance!

Smile

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Post  CF on Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:36 pm

Believe KH would have considered the fact that he will face immense opposition incl VR being boycotted by theatres not only in TN but other S.Indian states also.

Hope he has prepared to cover himself financially from all possibilities.

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:20 pm

நல்லதோ கெட்டதோ காக்கா கத்தாம இருக்குமா?!

http://www.moviecrow.com/News/1662/vishwaroopam-moves-ahead-with-tata-sky-dth-plan

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Post  Bala (Karthik) on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:28 pm

Sun direct offering 20c for telex pandian says movie crow. If true, ultimate trolling of the theater lobby Laughing what a ripple!

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:32 pm

Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
Some wrong news reported. The DTH deal is spearheaded by Airtel DTH with Kamal sir. They r roping in other DTH operators. It's not Tata Sky

Dhananjayan Govind ‏@Dhananjayang
Let's not debate on how it can be prevented from copying...I am sure Airtel is working on a plan. Everyone knows the intelligence of pirates

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:36 pm

Bala (Karthik) wrote:Sun direct offering 20c for telex pandian says movie crow. If true, ultimate trolling of the theater lobby Laughing what a ripple!

நம்மாளு செம 'கேடி'ங்க! மொதல்ல தியேத்தர்/விநியோகஸ்தர்கள் ட்ட போகாம ப்ரொடியூசருங்க ககிட்ட பேசி ஆசை காட்டிருக்காரு! அது வேலையும் செய்ய ஆரம்பிச்சுரிச்சி!

காமெடி என்னனா இந்த பன் டிவி தான் தேட்டர்காரவுகலாம் கமலுக்கெதிரா கொடிபுடிக்கிராவன்னு கூவினான்! இப்ப அவனே டெலெக்ஸ் அடிக்க கெளம்பியாச்!!!

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Post  app_engine on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:08 pm

Looks like there's a big lobby to malign Kamal.

For a sample, look at this:
http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2012/12/kamal-release-viswaroopam-on-his-own-165783.html

Whatever was the driver, the move of DTH along with theatrical release is fantastic!

Excellent! He should also plan to release official DVD / bluray / internet version (say, tie up with google for some big bucks) within a few days of wide theatrical release!

Kamal is always the pioneer in embracing tech!

Let's hope the movie earns big bucks and prove detractors wrong Smile

(Comparison : vinyls are dead, cassettes are dead, CDs are almost dead but music is still big biz and people still make a lot of money. And, we're living in an era where gigabits & terabytes are commonplace and video should follow music)


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Post  jaiganesh on Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:18 pm

app_engine wrote:Looks like there's a big lobby to malign Kamal.

For a sample, look at this:
http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/news/2012/12/kamal-release-viswaroopam-on-his-own-165783.html

Whatever was the driver, the move of DTH along with theatrical release is fantastic!

Excellent! He should also plan to release official DVD / bluray / internet version (say, tie up with google for some big bucks) within a few days of wide theatrical release!

Kamal is always the pioneer in embracing tech!

Let's hope the movie earns big bucks and prove detractors wrong Smile

(Comparison : vinyls are dead, cassettes are read, CDs are almost dead but music is still big biz and people still make a lot of money. And, we're living in an era where gigabits & terabytes are commonplace and video should follow music)

Kamal is taking a huge risk - this time it is not in a calculated move to embrace a new technology - but in severe anger at the way he
has been treated by the theatre owner + distributor nexus. Why is it an act of retribution because Vishwaroopam is not a small budget indie movie like udaan or vennila kabadi kuzhu which can easily recover earnings on DTH/ online theater screening/netflix etc. it is a big budget movie with new auro technology which will make sense only if the fat ass viewer lands his butt on a theater seat- not by sitting in his seat @ home with a considerably inferior sound system or pc speakers. So I dont undestand this newfound love of kamal for DTH - he has probably sealed the deal first with DTH - now he is trying to arm twist the rest of the idiots with this DTH bhoot. Playing peekaboo with new technology may only help in killing it for low budget and medium budget movie makers.

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