Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

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Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:18 am

By evening classics, I would like to clarify that these songs should neither be bedtime songs or twilight compositions. Then how could we distinguish songs at night time and the songs in the evening after the sunset? These are the songs which we would like to listen when we are having dinner (7pm-9pm) or these songs should bring us that moment whenever we listen to them, or the tune, singing, lyrics or orchestration might remind us of this time. It can be nostalgic that we might have listened to this song first time during this time duration. There could be songs which are pictured during this time. Is it difficult? I wanted to start this thread for a very long time, but I doubted if there are many numbers in this category. With Maestro and expert fans like you, I should never be in doubt. Please share your songs which you feel it would be apt for the evening with reasons. Let us not restrict this thread only to thamizh songs, be it any language, this should be interesting what Maestro has given us during this time. Only request is to go little chronologically. So let us start with 70s as of now.



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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:20 am

Whenever I hear this song, I can't hide my memories going back to late 70s when there was no TV in my house as well as in my Grandmother's house. We used to go to our grandmother's house during annual vacation. Always mother's side grand parents are more special compared to father's side. Their neighbors were having TV. Our grand parents used to live in 2nd floor. One of their neighbor's hall window was facing straight to our pooja room window. My grandmother would call them (from our pooja room) and request them to tilt their TV to face our pooja room so that we all can watch the TV (see how 'sogusu' our grand mother was? LOL). They would happily do so. All this would happen during our dinner time. Also during those doordharshan days, we see TV mainly during dinner time (after we bought TV), as all good programs like movies, oLiyum Oliyum, Chitrahaar all happen during this time only. So If I have watched any movies or movie songs during late to early 80s mostly it would be during this time. I would even assume all the B/W songs I have listened was only during this time. This time is very special to me as we all would gather in that small pooja room to have a glimpse of TV programs while even having dinner.

Bhadrakaali is one among that film where I still have fond memories of watching those songs from my neighbor's window. This song is a rage when it was released as my amma, chithi, athai, periyamma all used to sing this song fluently. Sivakumar was hot favorite among young women those days. Poor Rani Chandra who died during this film shoot in an accident was another main reason this film was loved by one and all. She looked beautiful. What a 'bramaanda' kuthu song in 'tam-bram' slang! Only IR possible for such an audacity. Very apt song during dinner time, as I remember my younger cousins and sisters used to just open their mouth in awe watching this song, while a handful of meal would be forced into their mouth. Such a vibrating and cracking composition, but I can never associate any other time for this song other than dinner time. Also you can see a light glowing in the background in the room, which denotes it is evening time, but not close to bed time. If you hear the dialogue just before the song starts, she will ask him if he wants milk, which also denotes he has just finished dinner and reading the newspaper. All this tell me that this song belongs to the evening.



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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  kamalaakarsh on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:48 am

This is a tough one to categorize :-) I can easily categorize Dawn songs or night songs (ahem, even bedroom songs ;-) ), but this one is tricky!

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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:09 pm

I agree, but I forgot to mention about some more criteria which would fit this time. The evening classical concerts, club songs, 'moon-light' dinner songs can all belong to this time. : Very Happy

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Pon maalai pozhudhu.

Post  jaiganesh on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:24 pm

Evening compositions of Raaja must begin and end with 'Pon maalai pozhudhu' from NizhalgaL.
Simply not because it refers to the evening literally - but more because that song captures
the essence and entirety of evening in all its aspects. If the melody of the song is like
an artist painting a evening on a canvas, the rhythm , the flow of it is provding the dynamic
aspect - the 3D view of the evening without even the visuals to go along. With the visuals
the song becomes 4D - the fourth dimension being the person viewing the screen with images and
music. Such is the total dominance of the song in inventing and reinventing the evening
city scape to perfection.

The song begins out with a husky chirp from a dreamer dreaming to be out in the evening from within
the confines of a constrained space (could be an office desk or a college class). Here the concept
of evening begins just as a dream - an yearning for a trapped bird that looks out to the sky. Raaja
lets Balu and a bird to counterpoint each other in a serene phase which is one of the dreamiest of
song preludes we have heard in Thamizh cinema.

Then the dreamer is set free and his freedom is symbolized by violins - that dont go out like water out of a
flood gate like "madai thirandhu' does - it is more like two tired feet finding their slow pace to free air.
The concept of evening is now real and it is set in motion - However much like people who begin their journey
of the evening to home or more similar to the birds that return to their nest - there is so much paint still left
in the colour brushes of light that is still to be taken in by our beings. This means that the journey is not the
monotonous, brisk "run to the office/college" that we do in the morning - It is fits and starts - one beautiful sight after
the other stopping us in our tracks - one stolen conversation with our journey mates after the other puncuating our travel.
This is so beautifully reflected in the song which gathers speed to pause and then the fastest movement is the bass guitar notes
in the interludes - again the pace is brisk, but it is not like a rush as our bodies are tired after a day's work.

Unlike other songs, the pace shortens and the crescendo of this song is not a usual rush of violins and flute with the singer's voice
reaching super human pitch - but a lone violin on the top of a terrace and the entire movement of the evening stops - the rhythm
dissolves into a serene pure melody of that single violin much like how the evening has completely lost itself to the pure and
peaceful night - the being is now at pure rest - world can rise up the next day at chaos - but will always go to bed with the
peace achieved at the end of this beautiful evening march.

Hope's eternal companions Raaja- Baalu - Vairamuthu and the evening.

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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:55 pm

Superb post and excellent imagery Jai. cheers

jaiganesh wrote:one stolen conversation with our journey mates after the other puncuating our travel.This is so beautifully reflected in the song which gathers speed to pause and then the fastest movement is the bass guitar notes in the interludes - again the pace is brisk, but it is not like a rush as our bodies are tired after a day's work.

This!. Exactly what I imagined out of this thread. After a big/tired day at work/office/school/college, the only time we sit around as a family, relax and talk when we eat the dinner while watching/listening/dissolving to our favorites. Great composition to start this thread. Please write more.Very Happy

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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  app_engine on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:18 pm

Great post jaiganesh, for one of the finest songs ever in TFM!

V_Sji,

Nice thread! Interestingly, I've heard the 'kettELE angE' song for the first time in a car 2 days back :-)

(I've put together a collection of IR-PS songs on a CD for the other thread and this happens to be one among them. I've never played this in the car prior to this Embarassed)

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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:57 am

Thanks App. Yes, All Susheela's songs of IR during 70's are most memorable. Her solo collection itself is very big; Sonthamillai Banthamillai, ThEnil Aadum ROja, MaanOdum PaathaiyilE, Aadum Adi, Unnai Nambi, Enthan Pon VaNNamE, Nilavu NEram, OrE Idam... Every song speaks volume about this 'good' composer. Laughing

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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:41 am

Would like you to listen to this Thygaraja Kriti 'Toli NEnu Jeyu Pooja PalamE ilaagE' in Kokiladwani raagam.
http://www.raagabox.com/search/?m=2&searchterm=Toli+Nenu+Jeyu+Kokiladwani+Adi

Why am I asking you to hear to this song. There is a reason. Smile

I heard this song long time back, courtesy Doordharshan and AIR. Whenever we hear this song, even any small stress will be released immediately. A real stress buster of a song. All because of two legends, not ILaiyaraaja, but V K Ramasamy and TMS. What an actor and comedian! What a singer!

The programme host asks VKR to start his kutchEri. Since his side-kicks didn't come, VKR expresses that he cannot sing. So he can proceed with that cinema songs with another troupe. Organizer refuses saying that once the audience listen to cinema songs, they would not listen to carnatic songs after that. So he insists VKR to sing having people from cinema troupe as his assistants. VKR says he is going to sing thyagaraja kritis, so those side-kicks won't help him. Organizer forces him that there is no other option as audience are already getting restless.

TMS starts the above Toli NEnu Jeyu Pooja PalamE ilaagE with Maestro pitching in phaser guitar as a prelude with bass guitar giving that punch! Acoustic drums, trumpets, synthesizer kicks in as 'side-kick' for this brilliant kriti. Audacity to extremes! Maesro goes to rock-'n'-roll mode in the interlude. TMS expressing 'naNNa maatinduttEn' makes us laugh with VKR's trademark sarcasm. By that time, VKR's side-kicks arrive and take turns now. ThEngai Srinivasan is one of the audience. Maestro switches to KalyaNi raagam and TMS pitches perfectly. TMS' kekanuma?. Audience were not ready to listen to Kalyani. VKR says, 'ippO thaane suthaama KalyaaNi'ya methuva thottu thooki mEla vachchirukkEn' (just now I have pitched high on kalyani). ThEngaai retorts, 'mudhalla kalyaaNi'ya keezha erakki viduyya, yaarukku vEnum kalyaaNi?' (first drop that kalyaaNi, who wants that kalyaaNi?). VKR reverts,'KalyaaNi is not a women, it is a raagam'. Now 'VeNNira Aadai' Murthy (one of the audience) reverts 'enagaLukku kalyaaNiyum vEndaam, kOmathiyum vEndaam', yaadOnkki baarath paadi tholaiyya'. VKR says, he does not know cinema songs. Thengai says 'cinema paattu theriyaatha bhagavathar ellaam oru bhaagavatharaayaa'. VKR after much hesitation starts 'Kabhi Kabhi' (from the hindi film Kabhi Kabhi) as he recently heard this song somewhere.

Maestro and TMS really excels here by adding lot of chittaswaram and switches to mridangam and violins. TMS is at enormous ease when he switches from the starting raagam KOkiladhwani to Kalyani and transforming Kabhi Kabhi into classical context, while his assistants mimic 'kabhi kabhi' as 'kaapi kaapi'. So hilarious! Maestro might have been hyper when composing this gem and TMS also when singing this song. Extremely creative mind. You have to hear how TMS pronounces 'Ni-Ga-Ri' swaram as 'nikkara nee ukkaaru nee'. lol! Suddenly Maestro goes from classical to kuthu within seconds at the end. lol! If you ask me, I would rate this as the best of TMS-IR combination. This is our family song and I remember my grand parents whenever I listen to this song, especially a dinner time song.

Kabhi Kabhi from Avar EnakkE Sondham. Hilarious to the core! Hope you enjoy! Very Happy

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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:20 am

Another Sivakumar song, this time with Sujatha. Just the starting veena and flute can lift us from tedium and enjoy the bright evening, after any difficult day. While the lyrics (by Panchu Arunachalam) is uplifting, flute and veena retains the mood during the ludes. Perfect visuals, as wife sings and plays veena indirectly asking her husband to forget the bad past and enjoy the present moment. Neighbors get attracted to her singing. Some relatives are visiting her house. Very nice environment for the song. Can't ask for a better tune and a better singer to tune us into it. Vibrant Kaapi raagam. I always find P Susheela a perfect foil for Sujatha. Perfect example of how to sing a song and bring positive vibrations in those small twists and turns. Whenever I listen to this song, positive vibe just gushes through me, despite the gushes of happy tears, thinking of how Maestro has composed it. Sweet lilting tune!

வாழ்க்கை என்றால் அதில் நாலும் உண்டு
அந்த வட்டத்திலே ஒரு திட்டமுண்டு
வளர்ந்தாலும் குறைந்தாலும்
நிலவுண்டு ஒளி வீசும் 

அதை காணும் பலம் வேண்டும் 
விளையாடும் மனம் வேண்டும் 
சுகமோ ஆயிரம் 
உறவோ காவியம் 



Dinner is served!

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Re: Dinner at Eight - Maestro's Evening Classics

Post  V_S on Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:56 am

I recently discovered this soundtrack and song, when I was searching for IR missing numbers. I don't know the history of this film and the reach of the songs, but listening now, takes back to golden days of black and white. Suruli, VKR and Asokan take their turns with surprisingly 'slimmer' Sripriya. Very graceful song, sung by none other than P Susheela. Great evening club song, with jazzy flavor. Poor audio quality regretted, still looking for somewhat better quality to appreciate better orchestration, as there are some freaky horns, bass and delightful guitar.

Old ellaam goldu Odi viLayaadu thaatha from Odi viLayaadu thaatha (1977).


There is another wonderful club song from the same film sung by L R Eeswari. It has MSV touches though, singing-wise LRE can't be matched especially in these kind of songs. Surprisingly the tempo is slow for this kind of club song. The piano run in first interlude and the horns and guitar in the second interlude deserved to be heard in a better quality.
Paar kaadhal malar thOttam paar.


Many thanks to the uploader for uploading these rarest gems, never imagined watching this on screen.

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Post  plum on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:45 pm

V_S - whata song that Sugamo Aayiram from Thunai Iruppaal. That one can function as a mistress as samsaarar saagaram presses you 8 feet deep in water.

What a contrbution to society eh by IR? Prevention of adultery!

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Post  V_S on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:26 pm

Wonderfully said Plum! cheers There is nothing called family and society in today's songs. Embarassed kaNNulla thaniyaa vanthittu irukku, whenever I take up this song in my mind.

BTW, who is that actor who enjoys her singing from 2nd floor?. I forgot his name. I am also a big fan of C K Saraswathi's acting. Nice actors they are.

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Post  plum on Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:52 pm

This song reminds me V_S. Usha Sankar should be here.This is exactly the kind of song that will make her post personal tales from 80s. App - pls do something to get her here!

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Post  plum on Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:09 pm

Froe long shot I thought that second floor guy was MRR Vasu V_S but dont think so.
I also recognise his face but not his name...

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Post  V_S on Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:38 am

I still remember seeing this movie on an evening show (even at that tender age). One of the first movies I still remember everything about the movie and everyone around me. I even remember watching this movie in a 'balcony', the first time ever. I even felt the smell of cinema hall when I entered the theatre (I hope everyone would have experienced that unique smell of cinema hall), may be that "air-conditioned" smell. I remember the first time I sat in a separate seat and the seat went inside when I was above to sit. Somehow managed to sit during the entire movie. Sometime even stood. Evening show movies are quite special as the crowd will be more. Another unique aspect is when we enter the theatre, there still will be little sunlight, but once we are out of the theatre, it becomes dark, just like a magic. It will look like all the crowd in the town suddenly disappeared. It seems we passed the entire day inside the theatre. Have you experienced this?

I didn't want and mean to hijack App's thread of P Susheela's songs, but incidentally this song too is her song. I am listing this song only with respect to evening classics. There are numerous other perspectives for this song which App might cover. Smile This song is strongly associated with that evening time, not just because I watched this as an evening show, the way it was taken, yes see the visuals. Many times, this song was shown in doordharshan which also happens during that time. During my later years, this composition grew up on me and sat inside me and unwilling to come out and I will also not allow to let it out. Glorious singing by PS touching the deepest emotions (what a singing!), memorable tune, bass and lead guitar freaking out, the trumpets in the interlude, signature Kamal dance and expressions, ever generous Sripriya, haunting humming by SPB, terrific and glamorous lyrics by Kaviyarasar Kannadasan all make it an enchanting evening classic which I can never forget!. Hope you too!. Smile

orE idam nirantharam - sattam en kayyil


Lyrics here:
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Post  SenthilVinu on Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:58 pm

Almost forgot about the song. Can't remember when was the last time I heard the song! Thanks for bringing this up.

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Post  V_S on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:22 am

Another great song of 70s which invokes the evening feel in me is KiNNaththil ThEn Vadiththu. Based in Vakulabharanam raagam with middle-eastern arrangements. I heard this raagam is more suited to sad songs because of the flat notes in it, but as usual Maestro breaks that and gives a romancing duet. We can also hear a tinge of sadness in the song, as Jayachitra is only dreaming about him. We know the end anyway. Since Maestro knows ahead while composing, he must have given that hint. These are all given and how much he has injected and elevated our skills. Even then many don't know the value of this composer. One of the most mesmerizing songs by Maestro. While KJY's gliding sangathis gives the dizziness, S Janaki moody rendering brings the desire. That humming before 'naanum Or dhraakshai rasam naayagan unthan vasam' says it all.

This one was one of the most discussed film by my family and relatives during my kid days, especially when the song was playing in doordharshan. Kamal and Rajini together. There were great fights on who was better in that film. We were not permitted to see this film as it was 'A' certified Smile I think.



ஆணிப்பொன் கட்டில் உண்டு கட்டில் மேல் மெத்தை உண்டு 
மெத்தை மேல் வித்தை உண்டு வித்தைக்கோர் தத்தை உண்டு 
தத்தைக்கோர் முத்தம் உண்டு முத்தங்கள் நித்தம் உண்டு 

Lyrics by Vaali sir, easy words but what a flow and rhyming in the words and sits perfectly to the sandham. Most of all, he brings the mood of the song perfectly. cheers

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Post  V_S on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:07 am

We used to have lot of fun listening/watching this song, especially during our dinner time. One of Rajini's best performance in this film. Sad that Padapat Jayalakshmi is no more, but that pair was so perfect in the film. Since the song talks about the lot of food items (as she is always fond of eating) starting with 'meen kozhambu', Maestro has chosen a sharp voice of Vani Jayaram to suit the sharpness in tastes, I suppose. Maestro has carried the song in a very unconventional way. The song does not have any conventional structure as whenever we think of food items, our list and the adjectives keeps on increasing not in any particular order. Same way the tune just flows out of her heart, as she thinks about a food item. Beautiful!. A great appetizer of a song as we hear the various food items. Two main instruments complement the tune; morsing and ghatam, that's it. Very relaxing song to share with our dinner time. The song that never dies. Smile


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Post  V_S on Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:56 am



Can you believe SPB sang this song for ThEngai Srinivasan?. No gimmicks, no adulteration, song full of soul. These kind of tunes are not possible nowadays. The starting piano run is heart-breaking for its pace. The humming (is it by S P Shailaja?) and the solo violin in the second interlude are the pinnacle moments. SPB at his dizzy heights in singing! To me this song and evening cannot be separated. Bright evening memories of Doordarshan and AIR and my grandmother.

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