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Endless repeat (OCD kind) songs of all time & the reasons

Post  app_engine on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:07 pm

This is different from the "last song heard" / "song of the day" kind of thread.

Neither is this an "IR top 10" or "IR top 100" kind of listing business.

The songs that one chooses to feature in this thread should meet the following criteria, though completely from the listener's point of view (and others may or may not share the sentiments) :

1. The song should have gone on repeat mode, like an "obsessive compulsive disorder" (I don't think I need to elaborate as all of us have done this with many IR songs at one point of time or other).

2. Such "endless repeat" business should not be an "one-time-phenomenon" for that song, like in a "point-of-time" thingy, but should have happened on different occasions - preferably during entirely different time periods (of the listener's lifetime or the song's "lifetime")

3. More important criteria : The listener should be able to EXPLAIN the reasons why he / she found it repeat-worthy. (Means, should be able to highlight some aspects of the song that made it worthy of such all-time-great honor & not simply "it touched me" business).

I have a few songs in mind & will post the details of one such in my next post. Meanwhile, please feel free to collect your thoughts on such "truly-evergreen-repeat-worthy" numbers Smile

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Thendral vandhu

Post  panniapurathar on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:55 pm

Thendral Vandhu Theendum - Avathaaram

This song is one that has been on repeat for the widest range of occasions.  For instance, to calm myself before an interview, to celebrate some milestones in life, to enjoy nature, to calm down, to pep up, sort of like an anthem for any occasion.

Now comes the hard part of your criteria explaining why:

1.  Complexity of chorus arrangments

Even the first 23 seconds of the song has a lot of complexity that keeps me guessing as to what is going on.  It was only in my approximately 20th year of listening to this song that I realized that there were probably 2 sets of female chorus singers!!  At about the 21st second mark you hear Uhhh Aaaa female chorus while the dham dham dhana dham dham......continues as well.  So to my simple mind the complexity of the chorus blows me away.

2.  Laid back singing

The singing by IR.  The delivery seems very laid back and yet the listener can never lose interest in how the song proceeds and continues to capture your attention.  

3.  Imagery evoked by lyrics

I am someone who generally blocks out the lyrics in favor of focussing on the music.  However this song has lyrics that evoke such beautiful imagery that it is hard to ignore the beauty they add to the song

4.  Finally, Nasser's explanation of how the song came about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qVePbtAPCw


Obviously this explanation came out after 2 decades of the birth of the song.  However, this 4th reason is the cherry on top that makes me smile everytime I listen to this song these days.  For a composer to have tossed this tune out as if it were nothing (as are all his time defying compositions)......

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Re: Endless repeat (OCD kind) songs of all time & the reasons

Post  app_engine on Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:33 pm

Excellent post, panniapurathar!

You've given a beautiful demo for what this thread is for!

A model post Smile

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Re: Endless repeat (OCD kind) songs of all time & the reasons

Post  app_engine on Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:21 pm

BTW, while I definitely listen to "thenRal vandhu theeNdum pOdhu" every now and then and have heard it on repeat in the past, nowadays I cannot run it on repeat mode Embarassed

Reason? It's too intense!

"How come you were able to hear on repeat in the past but cannot handle now?" - could be the next logical question. The answer could be that I'm getting "weaker" Smile

Some songs that I was looping in the past are just too intense for me nowadays, to continue for more than a couple of times (thenRal vandhu theeNdum pOthu is one example. mudhal muRai pArththa gnAbagam is another.)

That way, songs about which I'll be posting on this thread could be viewed by others as "light-weight" songs but those are my OCD Smile
(However, from a general TFM / IFM viewpoint those can hardly be called light - they're phenomenal stuff - just that they are less in emotional intensity, thus not draining me totally).

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Re: Endless repeat (OCD kind) songs of all time & the reasons

Post  panniapurathar on Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:52 am

App sir, Nandri!!!
It is very interesting to note how you feel about Thendral Vandhu.  I can understand how our Rasa can at times overwhelm you with emotions and that makes it difficult to do a repeat of some song.

I have several other OCD repeats.  I will try and write down the reason over time.  Just a sneak preview:

1.  Adho andha nadhioram 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYEHiSCUsM0

BTW, cannot recommend MAHA 2014  channel on youtube enough to listen to the nuances of an IR composition (especially with a good headphone and amp)

2. Janani janani (after being in live concerts)

Watch Raaja sir's explanation (BTW, I am not really religious, but I just like how he talks about coincidences)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnUHU6cXpGs


3. Tholi Paruvam (Abbaitho Ammayi) - drove for over 200 miles with this on repeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j28FEoScs

4.  Chandralekha (almost all songs in the album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozMlujUjKkc&list=PLViUvV1AcMZDwZMN85F_-Gk_XHRHrWUyy


5.  Thannanth thaniyaa oru theevundu 

6.  climax theme from Thaarai Thappattai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSGKz5mLA1o

7.  Poovaram Sootti (from Baba Pugazh Maalai)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5h5eCI88ac

8.  Dafedar theme music (drove for about 120 miles with this on loop)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnFp-2gnLZs

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Re: Endless repeat (OCD kind) songs of all time & the reasons

Post  app_engine on Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:50 pm

Let me do my current repeat song as the first entry in this thread Smile

அடி! பூங்குயிலே பூங்குயிலே கேளு
நீ பாட்டெடுத்த காரணத்தக் கூறு
adippoonguyilE poonguyilE kELu


Movie: araNmaNaikkiLi
Album & Movie released in : 1992
OCD : From the year 2011 till current
Singers : Mano / Minmini
Lyricist : Vaali
Director : Raj Kiran


Ever since the song made into my van's HDD some seven years back, this had been often on repeat. Actually, each time that playlist runs and reaches this song, my hand automatically reaches for the repeat button and the song has a habit of occupying my commutes for a few days at least Smile

Three years back when this was running on repeat, I've posted about the song in the "last song heard" thread a post in Thamizh :

http://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t238p100-manadhil-oru-paattu-song-of-the-moment-vol-2#19960

As our forum does not provide "hyperlinks" to those who are not logged in, let me quote the post here for quick ref :


பரவச நிலை அடைய சுளுவான வழி
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சாமியார்கள், யோகம், அது, இதுவென்று பல முறைகளை முயன்று பரவசம் அடைய நினைக்கும் மக்களுக்கு எளிய வழியில், குறைந்த செலவில் அதே நிலையை அடைய இங்கே சில படிகள் :

1. ஏதாவது ஒரு ஊர்தியில் உள்ளே அமருங்கள். (தனியாக இருந்தால் சிறப்பு, பார்க்கிங் இடமென்றால் மிகச்சிறப்பு, க்ரைஸ்லர் "பட்டணம் & பட்டிக்காடு" வண்டி என்றால் மிகமிகச்சிறப்பு)

2. எஞ்சின் ஆன் செய்யாத நிலையில் பாட்டுக்கருவி மட்டும் ஆன் செய்து காதுகளில் வலியில்லாமல் கேட்கத்தக்க உச்ச அளவு ஒலியும், தனிப்பட்ட விதத்தில் மிகவும் பிடித்த ஈக்வலைசர் தெரிவுகளும் செய்யுங்கள்!

3. சீட்டை சாய்த்து வைத்துக்கண்களை மூடிக்கொள்வது நல்லது / சிறப்பு.

4. கதவிலும் ஸ்பீக்கர் இருப்பதால், கைகளை அங்கே உள்ள "ஹேண்ட் ரெஸ்ட்" மீது வைப்பது அதிர்வலைகள் தரும், உடம்பை விட மனதுக்கு மிகச்சிறப்பு!

5. இது மிகவும் கவனமான ஒன்று : நான் சொல்லப்போகும் பாடலின் துவக்கத்தில், அதாவது இரண்டு வரிகளுக்கு, மிகவும் பொறுமை தேவை. ஒரு வேளை "சே, இந்தக்குரலா" என்றெல்லாம் தோன்றலாம், தயவு செய்து நிறுத்தவோ / ஸ்கிப் பண்ணவோ கூடாது.

6. 'அடி பூங்குயிலே பூங்குயிலே கேளு' பாட்டை இடவும். (அரமனக்கிலி)

7. பரவச நிலையை முழுதும் அனுபவிக்க, தலையை ஆட்டுவதோ, உடம்பைக்குலுக்குவதோ, மம்மூட்டி "காட்டுக்குயிலே" பாட்டுக்கு ஆடுவது போலக் கைகளை உட்கார்ந்து கொண்டே மேல் நோக்கி உதறுவதோ அவரவர் விருப்பம், உடல் நிலை மற்றும் ஆரோக்கியம் சார்ந்தது!

7.அ. என்றாலும், இவையெல்லாம் செய்தால் இன்பம் அதிகரிப்பது உறுதி!

8. மிச்சத்தேவைகள் எல்லாம் ராசாவின் பின்னணி இசையும் இடை இசைகளும் கவனித்துக் கொள்ளும்.

9. பாடல் வரிகள், பாடுவோர் குரல்கள் கவனிக்காவிடில் இரண்டு மடங்கு இன்பம் நிச்சயம்.

10. அவை உறுத்தினாலும், இடை இசை நேரத்தில் - அதிலும் இரண்டாவதில் - கண்களில் நீர் கசிவது உறுதி!

எனது இன்றைய ரிப்பீட் பாடல் மற்றும் பரவச அனுபவம்!

Interestingly, when the song came out in the early 90's, I was a "newly married" and wasn't actively following TFM and hence didn't even have this among my collections or played in our music system that much. My only listens were involuntary ones (such as radio / travel / functions etc.) Never even knew the movie / name of the female singer etc. at that time and definitely never paid close attention to details. (No need to say it was not on any kind of "repeats" - which is more of a CD / MP3 era phenomenon as this activity wasn't that easy with cassette players).

Before I detail out the special aspects of the song that make me keep playing it (possibly in the next post, as this is running too long), let me get the links where one can listen to this number, as well as the pAdal varigaL :

Audio link :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f9T-oBzUnA

Video links:
The one with millions of views, but incomplete:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPSH2VcVW1o

Whole-song-video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L9KZZ-_VmA


pAdal varigaL:

அடி! பூங்குயிலே பூங்குயிலே கேளு
நீ பாட்டெடுத்த காரணத்தக் கூறு
யாரிடத்தில் உம்மனசு போச்சு
நூலப்போல உன்னுடம்பு ஆச்சு
வட்டம் இட்டுச் சுத்தும் கண்ணு வீச்சு
வாய விட்டுப் போனதென்ன பேச்சு

ஆத்தங்கர அந்தப்புரம் ஆக்கிக் கொள்ளவா?
அந்த அக்கரைக்கும் இக்கரைக்கும் கோட்டை கட்டவா?
மாமன் கையில் பூவைத்தந்து சூடிக்கொள்ளவா?
அடி ஆசை என்னும் ஊஞ்சல் கட்டி ஆடிக்கொள்ளவா?
சொல்லு சொல்லு திட்டமென்ன சொல்லுவது கஷ்டமா?
பொத்திப் பொத்தி வச்சதென்ன என்னென்னவோ இஷ்டமா?
கூவாமக்கூவுறியே குக்கூ குக்கூ பாட்டு
மாத்தாம மாத்திப்புட்ட சொக்குப்போடி போட்டு
யாரிடத்தில் உம்மனசு போச்சு
நூலப்போல உன்னுடம்பு ஆச்சு

ஊரை எல்லாம் சுத்தி வந்த ஒத்தக்கிளியே
இப்போ ஓரிடத்தில் நின்றதென்ன சொல்லு கிளியே
சொந்த பந்தம் யாருமின்றி வந்த கிளியே
ஒரு சொந்தம் இப்போ வந்ததென்ன வாசல் வழியே
வேரு விட்ட ஆலங்கன்னு வானந்தொடப் பாக்குது
வானந்தொடும் ஆசையில மெல்ல மெல்லப் பூக்குது
பூப்பூவாப் பூக்க வச்ச மாமனவன் யாரு
பாடுகிற பாட்டுலதான் நீயும் அதக்கூறு
யாரிடத்தில் உம்மனசு போச்சு
நூலப்போல உன்னுடம்பு ஆச்சு


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Re: Endless repeat (OCD kind) songs of all time & the reasons

Post  app_engine on Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:56 pm

Now, let me list the reasons why this makes to "repeat loop" for many years.

1. Appropriate melody for easy listening / repeat mode
It is a very sweet & easy to sing-along kind of themmAngu i.e. it is not too complicated to make the brain cells react too much, difficult to sing-along etc. as in a semi-classical song such as "iLanjOlai pooththadhA". Those toughies could practically drain my energy with more listens Smile OTOH, it is not like a nursery rhyme (one such number made this female singer world famous BTW) that could sound childish and not excite me at all. That's why I call the melodic content "appropriate" for repeat - neither too strong not too weak - to keep the brain wanting to play it continuously.  

Perfect definition of "film / light-music-melody". For people from MSV-TKR-KVM era, who were used to such sweet light music melodies quite a lot (unnai onRu kEtpEn, yArukku mAppiLLai yArO, ninaikkaththerindha manamE etc.), this song should appeal straightaway (unless they block their minds with bias). Like I said, this song is no pushover either - listen to how both singers really work hard with that vibrato portion in the anu pallavi (போச்சு / ஆச்சு / வீச்சு / பேச்சு)!

2. IR's rhythm magic with #IR_Waltz / bass guitar / tablA & gata singAri
This is very important to me if I want to keep repeating a song. Interestingly, this is the weakest area of MSV-TKR-KVM songs which precludes them from getting played in repeat mode. (I have a huge collection on the HDD of such songs for my parents whenever they visit and we travel and I love every one of those songs, like some quoted above. However, I cannot play any of them more than once at a time as I don't get served "aRusuvai" but only inippu which gives me "thigattal" feel if played more than once).

I don't want to keep repeating whatever we've talked about in 100's of posts about IR's rhythm magic but want to single out just one thing in the saraNams w.r.t. gata singAri.

Notice how imaginative IR is when using this weapon - it gets played "dhoom-dhum" "dhoom-dhum" "dhoom-dhum" three times and the fourth time it shifts to "dhu-dhum-dhum" Smile Proof that IR gets bored easily with repeat of same rhythm thingy. Also, this does not happen in the fourth series (i.e. the 16th time gata singAri does not play but only tablA does a twist and switches to a different pattern). This is just "ஒரு பானைச்சோற்றுக்கு ஒரு சோறு". This song is packed with such rhythm details that make it extraordinary!

3. Great soothing flute / santoor as lead and phenomenal strings in the interludes or saraNam accompaniments
I've showed in one of the posts sometime back how a portion of the second interlude of this song got ditto copied by Berny-Ignatius for the thEnmAvin kombaththu song 'karuththa peNNE'. Interestingly, during 90's I had that CD and used to play that song on repeat quite a lot (மறுபயன்பாட்டுக்கே அவ்வளவு மவுசு).  Just for quick ref. let me give a link to that portion here again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEVK3bmWzE&t=105s

Now, while IR cannot be placed inside any envelope as to "he'll do this for this" kind of thingy but one should be ALWAYS prepared for surprises, on some specific things we can count on him to do the "same thing" Wink

For example, if a song has references to Kannan, flute is a must. Likewise, whenever reference of river comes up, he brings in that soothing santoor sound (or an equivalent from keyboard). This song has "ஆத்தங்கர அந்தப்புரம் ஆக்கிக் கொள்ளவா?" and he had to have santoor go along with the setting / scene. And what a lovely way that plays thru out - as connector to the interlude or in the "call-response" mode in saraNams - thigattAdha sweetness that I want to keep enjoying non-stop!

And the second interlude should figure in all-time-great list without question! The flute magic as the pitch keeps going up and up and up - and then leaves the relay baton to strings to take over - WOW! I can keep repeating that forever!

4. Balanced emotional content
Like I mentioned in the case of "thenRal vandhu theeNdumpOthu" or "mudhal muRai pArththa gnAbagam", too strong songs nowadays cannot play on repeat for me. poonguyilE is a winner in that aspect, not too strong on emotions but not totally silly as in "pudikkala mAmu" or "vAdi en kappakkizhangE" kinds either. It's a sweet romantic number, with enjoyable emotions but not those that can drain one!  Though I was critical of the singers in my earlier posts, I should admit that they have not distorted this "requirement" of the song and kept it within the boundaries. So, pass mark there!

Those are some of the things that stand out, while getting a fantastic package of all minor elements that every great and successful hit song of IR boasts of!

I'm sure this will play on repeat even after many years...

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Post  panniapurathar on Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:15 am

App Kalakkitinga!  I have to really pay attention to this lovely no.  I have looped it at some point, but not as heavy as the others.  I have to take in the details from your posts and listen to it while reading this!  Nandri sir!  I wonder how many of us would get influenced by others posting here and then take one another's song on a long loop ride.  It will be interesting to compare notes in a few months and see what impact we have had from this thread!

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