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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  crimson king on Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:14 pm

app_engine wrote:Link shared by @jvazhkudai (Jai Ganesh) in twitter:

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/cinema/film-music-reinvention-of-the-classical

T M Krishna wrote:
The sound of Ilayaraja’s music has played a major role in erasing his caste identity from social consciousness

Shocked

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And with that, TMK brings deconstruction, a deeply Western (and imo deeply destructive) concept to Indian music critique.  There are hundreds of example from not only IR's music but from HFM that I could cite to dispute his thesis.  Saawan ka Mahina or Jhumka Gira Re are classics just as much as Tu Jaha Jaha Chalega; who is TMK to say they are not? I listen to Hindi retro radio almost on a daily basis and have heard the first two songs referred to as classics frequently.  While I am all for subjectivity in music discussions, what is or isn't a classic is a relatively objective notion and if podhu makkal accept it as such, it is not for one individual, however learned he may be, to blindly ignore it so that he may form a thesis that agrees with his own conclusions.

And when this theory is stretched to encompass Nadeem Shravan in the definition of melody, it loses relevance because Nadeem Shravan never aspired for the rarefied classical heights in any case and clearly appealed to the LCD.   LCD to be clear only refers to the level of appreciation of the music; I grew up in urban middle class environs only and knew many who liked Nadeem and Anu Malik's mediocre hits at the time and who would probably regard it nostalgically as a better time for music.  I posit that there may not be a similar wave of nostalgia for the SEL/Vishal Shekar mould in Hindi or HJ in Tamil because there haven't really been new developments since then and the somewhat anglicised tone in our film music which was brought in by these MDs (or in furtherance of trends introduced by Rahman) has remained. In other words, a clean break from the earthiness (albeit a mediocre earthiness) of Nadeem/Deva which represented the last tenuous links to film music traditions.

I would be happy if concepts like deconstruction, critical theory or feminism (as per the full connotation of the term and not gender equality against which no right thinking person would have an objection) are restricted to the lib arts academia in India.  A developing nation with the world's largest congregation of the poor does not need social breakdown.  We have already had it once in Bengal and the experiment doesn't need to be spread to other parts of the nation. If I seem to rant on, it's because TMK's article is but a new wrinkle in a trend of importing these radical left concepts into India (see My Choice or I was raped videos for more examples of this trend). Preparing new frontiers perhaps in anticipation of a possible backlash in USA where these concepts have reached more 'advanced' levels...

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  Usha on Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:51 pm

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sp5mtt

unmai........ thandam endru kuda solla kudadhu. namakku rasika mudiyalai. or rasika theriyalai....... or pidikalai. means.. andha frequency il
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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  Usha on Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:18 pm

V_S wrote:
Usha wrote:Evening Kaapi with Ilaiyaraaja  from violin vicky........

endha paatunu theriyalaiyae enaku...... Embarassed  Rolling Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSnqSnSishs

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0ERzxBw4ABM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thanks for the link V_S. indha paatu kaetadhu ilai..  varanam ayiram from Keladi kanmani.

ana unga link.. anniki work achu. inniki vera madhiiri link aga iruku.. epadi parkanam.....

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  V_S on Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:13 pm

Usha ji
here is the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ERzxBw4ABM


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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  V_S on Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:15 pm

And as usual another மண்ணாங்கட்டி article from TMK. It is better he continues his singing. This திடீர் over enthu அவர் உடம்புக்கும் நல்லதில்லை நம் உடம்புக்கும் நல்லதில்லை.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  crimson king on Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:06 pm

V_S wrote:And as usual another மண்ணாங்கட்டி article from TMK. It is better he continues his singing. This திடீர் over enthu அவர் உடம்புக்கும் நல்லதில்லை நம் உடம்புக்கும் நல்லதில்லை.

His obsession with IR suggests that he is jealous of IR's talent for whatever reason.  Trying his best to disguise this with intellectual pyrotechnics but that's what it boils down to.  I am glad that IR had/has a much more holistic vision of music reaching far beyond TMK's narrow caste/class concerns.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  kiru on Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:09 am

This is a highly mischievous and divisive article. These are the kind of people who give fodder to the fake "protectors of the oppressed" and their corrupt politics. IR has united people with his music and here this person comes dividing and analyzing people on caste lines. How more narrow-minded can one get ? Pathetic. V_S's denouncements are appropriate.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:06 am

kiru wrote: How more narrow-minded can one get ? Pathetic. V_S's denouncements are appropriate.

அட என்ன சார் நீங்க, "emergent leadership" அப்படீன்னு இவர்க்கு Magsaysay  விருது கொடுத்திருக்காங்க:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ramon_Magsaysay_Award_winners

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  kiru on Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:22 am

app_engine wrote:
kiru wrote: How more narrow-minded can one get ? Pathetic. V_S's denouncements are appropriate.

அட என்ன சார் நீங்க, "emergent leadership" அப்படீன்னு இவர்க்கு Magsaysay  விருது கொடுத்திருக்காங்க:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ramon_Magsaysay_Award_winners

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I am dumbfounded and really disappointed that casteism is so deep rooted in our society, that it even afflicts the educated and the accomplished. America abolished the slavery and prospered. We never really got rid of the castes and still continue to suffer gently below the surface.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  crimson king on Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:47 pm

kiru wrote:
app_engine wrote:
kiru wrote: How more narrow-minded can one get ? Pathetic. V_S's denouncements are appropriate.

அட என்ன சார் நீங்க, "emergent leadership" அப்படீன்னு இவர்க்கு Magsaysay  விருது கொடுத்திருக்காங்க:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ramon_Magsaysay_Award_winners

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I am dumbfounded and really disappointed that casteism is so deep rooted in our society, that it even afflicts the educated and the accomplished. America abolished the slavery and prospered. We never really got rid of the castes and still continue to suffer gently below the surface.

More than gently.  Soon after a news report highlighted how temples in Gujarat do not allow Dalits to enter, I spoke to Maharashtrian colleagues who have a base in rural Maharashtra and they said the situation is the same in Maharashtra.  If this is the state of affairs in the land of Ambedkar, it really is an indictment of our political class.  Today there are several leading politicians from the backward classes so what stops them from abolishing caste discrimination once and for all, in fact abolishing caste?  I originally used to write my name as first name followed by father's name but was forced to mention my caste as surname in the absence of any family name.  Why do we insist on surname?  Why do I need to know if the person I am talking to is a Yadav, Thakur, Patel or Chettiar?  Even these simple steps won't be taken by govt because politicians want to tap into caste politics for votes.  And then TMK has the temerity to taint IR's intentions with the colour of caste.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:43 pm

vElaikkAran songs were composed with KB and not SPM around, as per this account.

வா வா வா வா கண்ணா வா 
தா தா தா தா கவிதை தா 

Embarassed

(Me not a fan of such "repeat-the-word-to-fit-the-meter" business)

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:15 pm

SPM carefully avoids controversy as to why IR wasn't part of "manidhan"


எங்களது பெரும்பாலான படங்களுக்கு இசையமைத்தவர் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா. இந்தப்படத்தில் இசையமைப்பாளர் சந்திரபோஸ் இணைந்தார். இனிமையாக இசையமைத்தார். 

This must have something to do with AVM fellows. That was in 1987.

I'm not sure what were the movies IR did for AVM thereafter...(one movie was 'ejamAn' in the 90's but did IR get to do any other movies for AVM in late 80's, after they gave "IR's room" in their studio to Chandrabose?)

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  ank on Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:51 pm

app_engine wrote: SPM carefully avoids controversy as to why IR wasn't part of "manidhan"


எங்களது பெரும்பாலான படங்களுக்கு இசையமைத்தவர் இசைஞானி இளையராஜா. இந்தப்படத்தில் இசையமைப்பாளர் சந்திரபோஸ் இணைந்தார். இனிமையாக இசையமைத்தார். 

This must have something to do with AVM fellows. That was in 1987.

I'm not sure what were the movies IR did for AVM thereafter...(one movie was 'ejamAn' in the 90's but did IR get to do any other movies for AVM in late 80's, after they gave "IR's room" in their studio to Chandrabose?)

In the mid 80s IR and AVM out regarding who owns the copyright for the albums - the production company vs music director. IR was the first one to have challenged the status quo.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:36 pm

Mavelikkara Rajesh


A huge “bhakthan” of music composer Ilayaraja, Rajesh, an A-top grade staff artiste of All India Radio, Thiruvananthapuram, who has accompanied various Carnatic greats such as Parasala Ponnammal, Madurai T.N. Seshagopalan, K.J. Yesudas, N. Ramani and Neyyattinkara Vasudevan, says it was the maestro’s music that inspired him to try his hand at music composing. “I don’t know any form of vocal music. I didn’t know the ABC of Western music or how to play the keyboard, yet I bought myself one. I started playing it by ear.”

When he decided to build a house in Thirumala, he asked the architect to design a music room for him on the first floor of his residence, far from the hub of the house. The room is spacious and well ventilated. The room is a laboratory for his experiments with music. A computer table holds his computer and speakers. There is a microphone on its stand and a pedestal fan beside the table. A clock and a few photo frames adorn the walls. He points to a photo on a wall. “Lyricist R.K. Damodaran knows I am a fan of Illayaraja and invited me to the recording of Siddique’s Friends in Chennai. That picture of Illayaraja and I was taken then.”

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:49 pm

Ponnadiyar book release

IR on stage with scientist Mayilsamy...


மயில்சாமி அண்ணாதுரை பேசும்போது, ‘பாரதிதாசனின் மாணவரான கவிஞர் பொன்னடியாரை, தமிழ் மாணவனாக நான் வணங்குகிறேன். இயல், இசை, நாடகம் ஆகிய முத்தமிழுடன் தமிழை அடுத்த தலைமுறைக்கு கொண்டு செல்ல அறிவியல் தமிழ் அவசியம் என்பதை நான் தொடர்ந்து கூறி வருகிறேன். பாரதியார், பாரதிதாசன், பொன்னடியார் போன்றவர்களால் குப்பனும், சுப்பனும் மட்டுமின்றி, என்னை போன்ற விஞ்ஞானிகளும் கவிதை எழுத முடிகிறது’ என்றார்.

இசையமைப்பாளர் இளையராஜா, குமரி அனந்தன் ஆகியோர் வாழ்த்தி பேசினர். கவிஞர் பொன்னடியார் ஏற்புரை வழங்கினார்.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:58 pm

vikatan article by @iparisal on KH singing

Lot of IR references, obviously Smile


இப்ப ரொம்பநாளைக்கப்பறம் ராஜாகூட கைகோர்த்திருக்கார் கமல். சப்பாணியா நடிச்ச படம் முதல் தொடங்கிய அவர்களின் பயணம், இந்த சபாஷ் நாயுடுல எப்படி இருக்கும்? அதுல கமல் எத்தனை பாட்டு பாடிருப்பார் என்று ஆவலோடு இருக்கிறேன். நிச்சயம் ஏமாற்ற மாட்டார்கள் இருவரும் என்று நினைக்கிறேன்.

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:30 pm

SPB recommended MV for sevvanthippoo mudichcha sellakkA


I don’t fear competition. I was supposed to sing all the songs for 16 Vayathiniley (1977), but I wasn’t too well that year. I remember Bharathirajaa and Ilayaraja being livid with me but I asked Raja to use Malaysia Vasudevan for Sevvandhi Poomudicha Chinnakka — Vasu was a singer in my troupe then!

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:11 pm

http://contrarianworld.blogspot.in/2016/10/blog-post_23.html

who is this contrarian world ஜந்து?!

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:47 pm

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:http://contrarianworld.blogspot.in/2016/10/blog-post_23.html

who is this contrarian world ஜந்து?!

 Laughing
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Didn't even waste time to read this very long post, as he doesn't have much beyond a few repeated statements about IR and his fans. 

One needs to spend only a 5-10 second scroll of this nonsense to see that!

Anyways, if you had seen this other thread, I think I've included him in the "துஷ்.கண்.தூர.விலகு" list Smile

http://ilayaraja.forumms.net/t248-topic

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Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:31 pm

எனக்கு நிறைய சொல்லணும்னு தோணுது. i mean, inspite of him and his writing are purely விஷத்தில் தோய்த்து எடுக்கப்பட்ட எழுத்து, or simply him and his thoughts itself are source of விஷம், i feel some points shall be considered to counter. but good one thing iam seeing is, he, is clearly pissed of about the popularity and success, raja's concerts are giving! he is hating the cheering crowd! LOL LOL

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Post  ank on Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:41 pm

Irritating to read it....however, whoever the personality - be it Bharathi, Gandhi, Beethoven or even Sankarachariyars - there are always distractors who hate them and try to belittle them for whatever their personal reasons are.

I have come to realize that listening tastes in music are personal and for me Ilaiyaraaja's music is the one that stimulates me like no other music.   And if it comes to listening to someone's opinion, I would rather listen to TVG's opinion on IR who I think captured the essence of IR's music in that while many can compose in a raga, IR is the one who seems to have the knack of knowing and bringing out the jeevan in the raaga.  He says that he has studied the music of the last 200 years when he stated that.  

And listening to those people in those Manam interviews - the impact that IR has created is across a large number of people across various generations that has not been paralleled, despite attempts by these distractors to make comparisons with people who have contributed significantly less.

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Post  kiru on Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:38 am

That seems like a very personal/vicious attack on IR. I dont think that person has any tenderness/kindness in his heart. Even if you have listened to one song of IR and liked it, would it not be difficult to attack him like this ? But I dont think IR gives a damn.. he has been through all kinds of criticisms and attack and keeps doing his stuff. TN public are not just worshipping IR, they support all new MDs. IR has a durability/emotional impact if not the artistic value that even people in different age groups respect him. The author of this article is a self-anointed intellectual who thinks IR fans are not knowledgeable. We have to let him wallow in his ignorance. (He even takes a dig at the NRIs - that they are where they are either by fate or skill.. this shows his life's achievements/successes :-) very sorry for him )

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  Sakalakala Vallavar on Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:06 am

http://contrarianworld.blogspot.in/2016/10/blog-post_23.html

Not even one comments till now! இதுக்குப்பேர் தான் சைலெண்ட் செருப்படி!

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  Usha on Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:21 pm

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:http://contrarianworld.blogspot.in/2016/10/blog-post_23.html

Not even one comments till now! இதுக்குப்பேர் தான் சைலெண்ட் செருப்படி!

Suriyanai parthu Naay kuraitha kadhai.. idhu dhan...... idhai purindhu kolla arivu ilai avaruku................

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Re: Anything about IR found on the net - Vol 3

Post  app_engine on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:56 pm

Sakalakala Vallavar wrote:http://contrarianworld.blogspot.in/2016/10/blog-post_23.html

Not even one comments till now! இதுக்குப்பேர் தான் சைலெண்ட் செருப்படி!

A couple of years back he chose to take this "shock-to-get-attention" thingy, calling HTNI-NBW as trash.

Well, IRFs did comment / respond and tried to engage in a dialog with him. It proved futile as the guy is with an attention-seeking agenda and not really interested in getting reasoned with.

From time to time, he keeps coming back with the EXACTLY SAME stuff. Well, even in his subsequent tries (should I say "repeat-tu"), he did get some attention.
(I remember Crimson King posting a lot of relevant stuff but that fellow wasn't interested in any such because that is not his purpose in life).

Looks like even that is gone now Laughing 

I'm happy that IRF's are coming of age - refusing to waste time with such fellows.

Let us focus our energy on appreciating what we're privileged to witness in our own lifetime!

IMHO, simply from a "human-achievement" point of view, the IR-phenomenon is nothing short of a miracle - something people get to read only in purANams and story books but never see in their own lifetime(s)!

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