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Post  Usha on Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:02 pm

DM,

 indha paatu.. Kalyani dhanae....

Janaki Jaane  -   Music by Naushad... Very Sweet Compositiion........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NenKsQB2N5w

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:23 pm

Usha wrote:DM,

 indha paatu.. Kalyani dhanae....

Janaki Jaane  -   Music by Naushad... Very Sweet Compositiion........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NenKsQB2N5w
Yamuna Kalyani, aside from the interesting fact that this is a song on Rama written by one Yusufali, composed by Naushad and rendered by Yesudas Smile Yamuna Kalyani is our version of the Hindustani Yaman which is their interpretation of Kalyani. Very close to Kalyani.

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Post  fring151 on Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:10 am

My fav Yaman kalyani. Sophisticated matter Wink 


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Post  Drunkenmunk on Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:28 am

fring151 wrote:My fav Yaman kalyani. Sophisticated matter Wink 

Our Raaga_Suresh's post on the song: http://sureshs65music.blogspot.in/2012/05/one-song-at-time-57-chandan-sa-badan.html Smile and this btw was the other song in the post whose youtube account has been terminated:


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Post  Usha on Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:13 pm

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  yaman ............ sari. enaku kalyani matum dhan theiryum.  yaman.. therinjukaren....

Yaman kalyan.. adhu enna..............

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:34 pm

Usha wrote:DM,
  yaman ............ sari. enaku kalyani matum dhan theiryum.  yaman.. therinjukaren....

Yaman kalyan.. adhu enna..............
Yaman is the Hindustani version of our Kalyani. Slightly different. In fact, it is a major raga there like Kalyani is here, so much so that beginners are taught Yaman first. மொதல்ல யமன ஜெயிக்கணும் போல Smile When we sing Yaman down south Carnaticizing it (the note Ri is Re up north and some minor differences like that), we call it Yamuna Kalyani. Yaman and Yamuna were son and daughter of Surya (Sun God) and his wife Saranya, daughter of Vishwakarma, the divine architect. Legend has it that she was unable to bear his brightness and hence refused to come near him. Surya is supposed to have cursed her that she would bear twins, where the son would end up as the Lord of death and the daughter would be a trembling weakling. Yama was the son and Yamuna, the trembling daughter who is represented by the river. So IMO, some bright gentleman, while adapting Yaman down South, might have thought it could only be apt to name this raga, a metaphorical musical twin of Yaman as Yamuna Kalyani. This is purely my speculation Smile I also often say that Yaman sucks your life, even in music, because I like the raga Razz

Kalyani's swarasthanams as we saw earlier go:
Aarohanam: S R2 G3 M2 P D2 N3 S'
Avarohanam: S N3 D2 P M2 G3 R2 S'


Yaman Kalyani aka Yamuna Kalyani is just a little different coming as it does, Carnatically adapted from the North:


Aarohanam: S R2 G2 P M2 G2 P D2 N2 S'
Avarohanam: S' N2 D2 P M2 G2 M1 R2 S


Best aural example is Pandit Bhimsen Joshi and Balamuralikrishna in a Jugalbandi in Hyderabad sometime in the late 90s singing Yaman and Yaman Kalyani (Hindustani and Carnatic version of the same raga) for 10 minutes. It is pristine:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWPFHYvGav4


Proper Carnatic exposition of this raga is Bhavayami Gopalabalam, Pibare Rama Rasam and Krishna Nee Begane Baaro. I absolutely love all 3 songs.

In cinema, we've had countless scores in Yaman/Yaman Kalyani.

Hindi: Kabhie Kabhie by Khayyam
Man Re by Roshan
Ehsan Tera Hoga Mujh Par by Shankar-Jaikishan. I love how Rafi sings the word Mohabbat some 6-8 times and gives a different emotion every single time.
Jab Deep Jale Aana by Ravindra Jain.

Tamil: Isai Kettaal Puvi Asaindhaadum by MSV.
Raaja's Oru Vaanavil Pole which is a superb inspiration off Kabhie Kabhie.
Again, Raaja's Yamunai Aatrile. Must doff the hat to Vaali for the way he brought in Yamuna in a song composed in Yamuna Kalyani by Raaja Smile
Rahman's Varaaha Nadhi Karai Oram which is inspired from the Sufi song, Dama Dam Mast Kalandar

There are a few outstanding Sufi songs and ghazals in Yaman as well. Aaj Jaane Ki Zid Naa Karo is one of my favorites. So is Aao Balma which Hariharan used in a concert to lead to Ay Hairathe Aashiqui by Rahman which is Yaman too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNt_C8otwJ0 Rahman also brought the ghazal in his recent Coke Studio. Youtube lacks a class rendition of it. Remember one by Ustad Rashid Khan bur unable to spot it now. I'm sure there are countless more songs. But just sharing a few that just struck me off the head now.

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:59 pm

Usha ji brought a point via PM that Kabhie Kabhie could be Pahadi. She could be right. Oru Vaanavil Pole if I reckon correctly is Yaman Kalyani and hence I presumed Kabhie Kabhie is also YK. I could be wrong. Checked a website. It lists Kabhie Kabhie as Pahadi as well. http://chandrakantha.com/raga_raag/film_song_raga/pahadi2.shtml

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Post  Usha on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:07 pm

DM,
   romba Thanks............  

Pahadi.. 3 years a than therijindu iruken...... adhanala dhan kaeten.......... correct  a irundhadha..........
Thanks a lot DM.........  ( naan endha site um parkalai ... naanaga than kaeten DM.......)

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:08 pm

Actually she is right. Pahadi dhaan. My bad. Kannukku Kulam Edhu, Karnan, is also Pahadi. En kelvi gnanathukku similarities theriyudhu.

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:09 pm

Usha wrote:DM,
   romba Thanks............  

Pahadi.. 3 years a than therijindu iruken...... adhanala dhan kaeten.......... correct  a irundhadha..........
Thanks a lot DM.........  ( naan endha site um parkalai ... naanaga than kaeten DM.......)
Of course. enakku urudhi senjukkaradhukku dhaan paarthen.

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Post  Usha on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:13 pm

Thanks a lot DM.

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Post  Usha on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:13 pm

Tholi choopu  - kalyani ya DM...

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:34 pm

Yes Kalyani dhaan. Also, a humble brag here. rajsmed read my post on the song and posted the video after commenting Smile

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Post  Usha on Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:59 pm

DM,

oh.... andha link thara mudiyuma..............

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Post  Usha on Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:14 pm

Gibran. Charulatha mani told about the raagam of the song.

Charulatha Mani2 weeks ago

My pleasure to have sung this song, thanks to composer Ghibran! Ragas Mukhari and Hamirkalyani/Kedar are woven into the piece, making it a delectable melody.

Sandhoshamana Mukari........... IR sonnadhu pola.. Ragathuku endru Feelings ilali dhan pol iruku.......... Anyway very NIce to hear............ vishayam therinja MD...........

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:38 pm

Usha wrote:DM,

 oh.... andha link thara mudiyuma..............

First here: http://raajasongadaykeepsboredomaway.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/63-totalische/

Nesstu here: http://raajasongadaykeepsboredomaway.wordpress.com/2014/01/05/134-top-10-discoveries-2013/

And yeah, that's the best song in that Ghibran album. Fine lyrics too. periya thathuvamO, vArthai azhagO illa but words sit well and are harmlessly cute, if I could use the word. Well composed too. Earworm for the past few days.

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Post  crimson king on Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:16 pm

DM, thanks a lot for the detailed explanations of the swara system.  I have a query.  I have come across analysis claiming Ilavattam (My dear Marthandan) as Kalyani.  I am not able to understand how that is, because the first line of pallavi itself seems to touch Da1 on the Dum Dum? Am I mistaken there, am I counting the notes wrong?  If not, is still Kalyani?  If not, endha raagam?  Thanks in advance.

Note:  I reckoned Middle C as Sa and counted from there for analysis.

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:38 pm

CK,

I am not trained so I can't identify a swara from a song with swara gnaanam and pinpoint. You have a point in that, the pallavi sounds a little different from Kalyani. And it is very possible that Raaja used a few anya swaras. This is film music and he is adlib to improvise. That said, the charanam is quite authentic Kalyani. This video where this gentleman plays the slide guitar of the lead melody of Ilavattam is beautiful and stripped off the orchestration, the Kalyaniness of the Kalyani in the song comes to the fore amazingly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKSXyEeTZOk Smile

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Post  crimson king on Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:04 pm

In charanam also, there is a D3 and a G2.  There is certainly some of the flavour of Kalyani in charanam but he has mixed some notes.  Not that it needs to be in A particular ragam only, anyway, was just curious how and why it is Kalyani.  The moment I heard pallavi, there were so many minor notes hitting me (rather, that's what it felt like) so I was very curious how such a minor flavour had been obtained from Kalyani, which is all 'major', except for the M2.

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:14 pm

crimson king wrote:In charanam also, there is a D3 and a G2.  There is certainly some of the flavour of Kalyani in charanam but he has mixed some notes.  Not that it needs to be in A particular ragam only, anyway, was just curious how and why it is Kalyani.  The moment I heard pallavi, there were so many minor notes hitting me (rather, that's what it felt like) so I was very curious how such a minor flavour had been obtained from Kalyani, which is all 'major', except for the M2.

Thanks for clarifying. Like I said, very possibly anya swaras. But quite hard for me to pinpoint what the exact ragas it leads to are. Easily possible that it graha bedhams into another ragam and comes back to Kalyani.

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Post  crimson king on Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:20 pm

I think the rough essence of Kalyani sticks, not counting those two notes, until we get to Kalyani maalai....where it again deviates.

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Post  Usha on Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:23 pm

Priyanu Mathram nyan   - enna ragam........

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Post  Drunkenmunk on Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:19 pm

^^^ seriya solla theriyala  Embarassed 

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Post  Usha on Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:25 pm

sari DM....  yariyavadhu kaetu pakkaren. therinja solren inga...........

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Post  Raaga_Suresh on Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:31 pm

Usha,

Sounds like Abheri. You can get the 'poo malayil or malligai' flavor in some places. The interludes move away from the ragam.

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